From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #278 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 24 2003 Volume 03 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] dylan reissues? [Aaron Mandel ] RE: [loud-fans] dylan reissues? ["Micah Bedwell" ] [loud-fans] MMJ ["Douglas Stanley" ] [loud-fans] Bad, there are some Leons in this post ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] Bad, there are some Leons in this post [wsilvers@earthlin] Re: [loud-fans] Bad, there are some Leons in this post ["Tim Walters" ] [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] dylan reissues? What's the word on those Dylan remasters? Good? Revelatory? Ripoff? My old CDs of Highway 61 Revisited and Bringing It All Back Home are among the few discs that sound thin enough to me for the idea of a remaster to actually be interesting. But on the other hand, the SACD/hybrid push creates a commercial reason for the releases to happen even if they aren't actually good, so I am wary. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:06:36 -0700 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] dylan reissues? Is the complete Basement Tapes ever going to be released? Micah - -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:37 AM To: Where They've Got Such A Stem Subject: [loud-fans] dylan reissues? What's the word on those Dylan remasters? Good? Revelatory? Ripoff? My old CDs of Highway 61 Revisited and Bringing It All Back Home are among the few discs that sound thin enough to me for the idea of a remaster to actually be interesting. But on the other hand, the SACD/hybrid push creates a commercial reason for the releases to happen even if they aren't actually good, so I am wary. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:19:54 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] MMJ I don't really like My Morning Jacket. I gave up smoking pot a long time ago. I do have a cow-orker who swears by them, so I get bombarded regularly. While MMJ sounds Skynyrd-ish, I think Kings of Leon lean more toward Grand Funk-ness (even though Kentucky is closer to Detroit than Tennesee). Doug S. Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:11:21 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Extra Glenns > Also, I'm interested in anyone's comments on > Kings of Leon. Supposedly, if you like them you will also like My Morning Jacket, who also have a new album out at the moment. I myself am not crazy about either, but since you are I figured it might be worth passing on. Jer (who likes the Moutain Goats but has never heard Extra Glenns and thus can't be of any help *there*) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:24:05 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Bad, there are some Leons in this post Jer: >>> Also, I'm interested in anyone's comments on >>> Kings of Leon. >>Supposedly, if you like them you will also like >>My Morning Jacket, who also have a new album >>out at the moment. KOL is getting mainstream (-ish) airplay but somehow I haven't heard them... kind of an updated Southern Rock thing? My understanding is that they look more like MMJ than they sound like them. MMJ I like rather a lot; they kind of sound like a combination of Neil Young and American Music Club (that voice + that reverb) and I'll probably pick up their new record eventually. The Skynyrd comparison doesn't do justice to their sound, which is more expansive and spacey, or their songs, which are more plaintive than shit-kicker-y. PS: word on the street is that AMC is jumping on the reunion train. Aaron: >>It wasn't bad, just a touch reminiscent of the days when I never >>expected to like more than half the songs on an album. I remember those days... like yesterday, and Sunday, most days last week... At least it seems like it's getting more that way to me. I think it has to do with the passing of hard-copy music in favor of files, dowloads, etc. That's going to sink the concept of the album faster than any previous format shift, and I think that pushes me subconsciously not to try so hard to love albums as albums. Kinda sad. Or could just be the ol' "gettin' on in years" thing. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:31:58 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MMJ Momentarily forgetting what we were talking about yesterday (especially since I was the one who brought up My Morning Jacket in the first place), I got a brief rush of excitement when I opened my email just now and saw this subject heading, which had me thinking that someone wanted to discuss Marry Me Jane. Ah well. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:51:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: wsilvers@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bad, there are some Leons in this post Rex Broome replied: Jer: >>> Also, I'm interested in anyone's comments on >>> Kings of Leon. >>Supposedly, if you like them you will also like >>My Morning Jacket, who also have a new album >>out at the moment. >KOL is getting mainstream (-ish) airplay but somehow I haven't heard them... kind of an updated Southern Rock thing. Kings of Leon are an updated Southern Rock thing only in their resemblance to early Tom Petty, at least far more than Skynyrd et.al (or god forbid, the Drive-By Truckers). Geography aside, they have little in common with the execrable (IMO) My Morning Jacket, whose interminable guitar space-outs and awful, amazingly abrasive lead singer are not my thing. Lots of folks differ with me on MMJ, however, and I have it on good authority that it all works much much better live than on the records. The Kings of Leon are being damned by a too-facile "Southern Strokes" description. They've got an annoying website ( http://www.kingsofleon.com ) that nonetheless gives an idea what they sound like. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bad, there are some Leons in this post wsilvers@earthlink.net wrote: > the execrable (IMO) My Morning Jacket, whose interminable guitar > space-outs and awful, amazingly abrasive lead singer are not my thing. I heard a brief clip of MMJ on NPR, and they reminded me strongly of the Band, except they left out the "not sucking" part. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been if there had been time for a guitar space-out. And "My Morning Jacket" is one of the worst band names I've heard in a while. I could tell Terri Gross didn't enjoy saying it. - -- SLAW * SNAKES & LADDERS Experimental popular children's music for adults http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Slaw ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:31:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: wsilvers@earthlink.net Subject: My Morning Jacket (was Re: [loud-fans] Bad, there are some Leons in this post) Tim Walters wrote: I heard a brief clip of MMJ on NPR, and they reminded me strongly of the Band, except they left out the "not sucking" part. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been if there had been time for a guitar space-out. And "My Morning Jacket" is one of the worst band names I've heard in a while. I could tell Terri Gross didn't enjoy saying it. - --- I don't suppose you'd remember, but was that a Ken Tucker review? I was listening to Fresh Air last week and heard the teaser for his reviewing the new MMJ record, but not the review itself. I generally trust and agree with Ken Tucker's taste in music and teevee, so I was curious about how he was going to praise MMJ. They are getting generally strong notices (A MOJO review creeps to mind) for their new record. It's just not for me, or apparently, us. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:46:51 -0400 From: Betsy Lescosky Way Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ben Kweller? On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 05:40 PM, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > He was the lead singer of Radish, the band of 14-year-olds that was > "the > next Nirvana" back in '94 or so. He, Ben Lee, and Ben Folds have > allegedly formed a band called the Bens. > This appears to be true, as I saw a clip of one of their shows on MTV2 or some such. I really hate Ben Folds, so I didn't pay a lot of attention to it. I thought the Ben Kweller album was OK, just a few good songs. I saw him do a free show last summer, but he was soooooo late that he only got to play two songs. Seems like a young man with some potential, though. The new Beulah album, however, is marvelous. I'm surprised no one's mentioned it. Or maybe it was discussed when I was having email problems? - --betsy betsy lescosky way pantone_367@mac.com homepage.mac.com/pantone_367 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:35:46 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD I've been remiss in not mentioning earlier my receipt of a shiny plastic disc from the estimable John Bartlett. It came in a very cool foldable cardboard slidy package, and was graced by a cute drawing of an orange kitty courtesy John's 9-year-old daughter (which went over quite well in this house, inhabited as it is by two orange cats). In honor of the drawing, and since John didn't give it a title, I've christened the CD "The Orange Cat Mix." The songs are primarily post-Beatles guitar pop (there's another term for that, but I don't like it...), with a few stylistic diversions thrown in for variety. Anyhow, track listing with a few comments (* means I already owned the track): 1. Moods for Moderns "Slacker Ways"* 2. The Model Rockets "Maybe NOw" 3. OK Go "So Damn Hot" 4. The Yum Yums "Be with Me" - not to be confused with Yum Yum, that orch-pop band that either was or wasn't a joke... 5. Beagle "Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes)" - Is this a newer cover, or a vintage one? I ask because it sounds as if it could be vintage, and during that era quite often songs charted by different acts on different sides of the Atlantic. Another household favorite, since it namechecks my wife. 6. Phantom Planet "In Our Darkest Hour" 7. The Shazam "New Thing Baby" 8. Cathy Dennis "Am I the Kinda Girl?" - the demo version, written by and featuring playing from Mr. Andy Partridge...a fact which is immediately apparent, the guitar sounding very much in the mode of "Playground" or "Cherry in Your Tree." Cool! 9. The Paranoids "Real by Reel"* - one of a very few tracks on the "Chalkhills' Children" XTC fan-band tapes that's good enough to have been releaesd for real (although I don't think it has), this is my favorite from those sets. An absolutely manic tempo, vocals that sound sped-up, and an amusing middle bit wherein the singer begins with some lines about "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, stares accusingly like a duck, drives a microchip inside your skull like a duck" and ends with a bit about cookies and "looking for some information...broadcasting my every thought like a goddam TV station." Oh - and an intro setting one of Thomas Pynchon's lyrics, and a brief outro quote from Frank Zappa. 10. Simon Knight "Summer Grass"* - another good one from the "Chalkhills" series, this one wittily layers XTC's "Summer's Cauldron" and "Grass," featuring male vocals on the one and female on the other. Works better than you'd think it would. 11. Ed James "Trippin' on Your Love" - I mainly remember this because the first time I heard it, in the car, I thought the singer was singing "I'm distributin' your love" - ("Phil is my brother's name, he's a distributor") 12. Nixon's Head "Kids" - Dig the "Futurama" reference in the band name... 13. Admiral Twin "Be the Show" 14. Georges Decimus "Nwel"(?) - I can't quite read what John wrote for the title - anyway, a sort of horn-filled Afropop excursion - fun. 15. You Am I "Rumble" 16. Half Man Half Biscuit "Them's the Vagaries" - John's tried to sell me on these guys, he says...well, fun, catchy, energetic...hmm...intrigued, at least. 17. HMHB "Vatican Broadside" - a brief, rudely funny Pope joke. 18. The Liquor Giants "Town Bike" - Sort of an Amerindie sound here - unsurprising, since they are. 19. The Judybats "Ugly on the Outside"* - I have this on some comp or other. Pleasant enough, except...I don't know what, but something's always bugged me about this band. Oh well. 20. Starbelly "Broken Hearts in Stereo" 21. The Welcomats "She Gets Around" 22. The Mutton Birds "Pulled Along by Love" 23. The Salteens "Bubba Da" 24. Ice Cream Hands "Olive" - Dig the Robyn Hitchcock reference in the band name... 25. Andy Partridge "Goosey Goosey" (demo)* - Sounds like John had these demoes on some old cassettes prior to their reissue in the "Fuzzy Warbles" series...but that doesn't matter. Anyone who likes XTC should immediately buy all four Fuzzy Warbles titles, right now. Yes, you. Stop reading your e-mail, order the damned things. Anyway, I'm not quite sure how John crammed all these tunes on one CD...but there they are, and a fun bunch of 'em they are too. What presents did *you* get? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:55:55 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD At 09:35 PM 9/23/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >12. Nixon's Head "Kids" - Dig the "Futurama" reference in the band name... And they're clever enough that they thought of it a good decade or so before Matt Groening did! S NP: THE LOVE BELOW -- Andre 3000 (OutKast) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:14:30 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD Quoting Stewart Mason : > At 09:35 PM 9/23/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >12. Nixon's Head "Kids" - Dig the "Futurama" reference in the band > name... > > And they're clever enough that they thought of it a good decade or so > before Matt Groening did! Obviously, you're overlooking the time travel element... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: The Stewart Mason _The Seventies Are Coming! The Seventies Are Coming!_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:05:58 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] stan wilson photos I met Stan on the '98 Lanegan tour. He was traveling with the band, taking photos. He has a new webpage up, and if you look in the Musician Portraits, Music Performance, Group Portraits, and Dual Portraits sections under "photography" you might see some people you recognize :-) Don't check out just those, though. He has a lot of nice work up. http://www.stanfordarts.com/index.html Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #278 *******************************