From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #271 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 17 2003 Volume 03 : Number 271 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? ["John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? > 4 stars for Tales? Maybe that's 1 star per > track...(I'm lovin' the new re-mastered disc of this, > though.....) I thought it was supposed to be one track all the way through. Have we found the new Neutral Milk Hotel? Decide for yourself: http://www.salon.com/ent/music/review/2003/09/16/decemberists/index.html Staring at what used to be sand, Andy Greetings and happy holidays everyone. I am very surprised and delighted to see the conversation going in the direction it has on this thread. Unknowingly, you all have stepped into the real mystery of time travel that remains speculative in 2036. Based on a couple of questions I see here, I will try my hardest to describe what we in 2036 think space-time looks like and how it behaves. Please keep in mind that I realize how easy it is to dismiss what I say. First, Im trying to do this from memory. Imagine you are back in 1911 trying to explain a jet engine to the Wright brothers. However, there are some very basic properties of quantum theory that support this model today. I appreciate the fact that you are reading this with an open mind. (If parallel universes do exist, did they all start simultaneously? I mean, let's assume that the universe originated from a singularity. Were there any parallel universes at that point? That would not be very logical and it would also imply that there is a parallel universe in which our universe never existed.) - --John Tibor, from http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/Archive_12_30_00.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:12:15 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 12:08 AM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > That's pretty funny...even though I still like large chunks of TFTO. > Look - > just pretend it's a bunch of shorter songs segued together - > compositionally, it's pretty clear that's exactly what it is, with the > occasional thematic hook strung in to give a sense of unity. Too bad > Yes > isn't in the habit of releasing demos and such - I'd be willing to bet > a lot > of the stuff on TFTO began as shorter songs or fragments. That might work, though I've regrettably misfiled TFTO and can't find it in my stacks, and it hasn't yet been sucked into my "Great Heaving iTunes Library of Destruction (interpolating _the Revealing Science of --alt-preset standard and Tomorrow and Tomorrow and ID3v2 Chakras)" (hey, that was pretty fun...) I've _tried_ to like Topographic Oceans, over the years, but whenever I revisit it I find my mind wandering. It's funny, because while I love _Close To The Edge_ (both the song and album) to death, I've never been able to warm to its successor. I find I have the same visceral reaction to it as I tend to have to things like Serialism -- anything interesting that rises from the muck seems to immediately be buried under accreted random wank and forward momentum is lost. In that peculiar prog subgenre, the Sidelong Concept Statement, there's always been a pretty firm map in my mind of the ones that work ("Close To The Edge", "Supper's Ready", "2112", "Autobahn", "Jenny Ondioline", "Djed", "Blue Room") and the ones that don't (pretty much all of the rest of them.) Upping the stakes by mashing 4 of them together strikes me as... well, unwise. > but even the drum solo on this one (speaking of the link > Dave mentions) is at least interesting sonically, being thrown through > several wringers, manglers, and general sound-fuckers (isn't that a > _Relayer_ track?) to make it interesting. "Sound Fucker -- To Be Over!" > And some of the stuff on part 3? > Some of the weirdest shit Yes ever did - atonal, very odd rhythms, and > timbrally strange too. That was what I loved about "Close To The Edge" -- think about the crazy Steve Howe/Alan White freakout after the initial synth intro, for example. > If I had more talent (and more instruments and recording equipment), I > think > I'd have a go at my so-crazy-it-just-might-work idea of rearranging the > whole album as a series of short songs and fragments ala GBV's Alien > Lanes, > in the style of that album as well. That would seem to be a perfect rockist application of a tool like Ableton's Live (coincidentally, my friend Matt just ordered the Live/tactile controller bundle from Ableton yesterday after seeing BMG [of Ectomorph] positively _wreck shit_ with it on Matt's radio show Friday night -- I'll try to scare up an MP3, it was pretty mindblowing) > Anyway, kudos to the Drum Solo! site for praising "Awaken," one of my > favorite Yes songs. Okay, if you're allergic to conventional > signifiers of > grandeur...well, let's just say not only do you get the pipe organ, > you also > get the celestial choir. However, if you can listen to that track on a > good > stereo turned up very loud and not feel *something* of its power, > you're > most likely dead or something. I don't think I own this particular Yessong, so I will have to check it out. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] good grief, could it be scott content!? GT is the "band of the week" on wmbr, 88.1 in the boston area, http://wmbr.org/WMBR_live_24.m3u elsewhere ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:55:53 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:08:07 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Anyway, kudos to the Drum Solo! site for praising "Awaken," one of my >favorite Yes songs. Okay, if you're allergic to conventional signifiers of >grandeur...well, let's just say not only do you get the pipe organ, you also >get the celestial choir. However, if you can listen to that track on a good >stereo turned up very loud and not feel *something* of its power, you're >most likely dead or something. The timing for this was interesting, because I just recently purchased the Going For the One CD, and it's been in pretty constant rotation in my player for the last week or two. I think Parallels kicks butt, too (but not the one on the cover). At least if you aren't allergic to the pipe organ. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] good grief, could it be scott content!? Doug wrote: > GT is the "band of the week" on wmbr, 88.1 in the boston area, > http://wmbr.org/WMBR_live_24.m3u elsewhere Which I would have known last Friday, except that I missed Jon's show because I was busy proctoring final exams. Feh. In any case, what this means specifically is that they are "band of the week" on Breakfast of Champions (8 to 10am Eastern) and are featured each day at 8:30am. There will most likely be a nice little mini-set on Friday at that time - I don't usually listen the rest of the week (although now that I am right now, I'm really enjoying Ted's show this morning!) so I don't know if anyone else will do more than one song. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell they don't archive their shows. Charity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:17:25 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] good grief, could it be scott content!? It should probably also be noted that this is the official release date for The Loud Family DVD...or, at least, I think it is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] good grief, could it be scott content!? On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > It should probably also be noted that this is the official release date for > The Loud Family DVD...or, at least, I think it is. It looks like we'll be a few weeks late to release, due to some contractual issues which have recently been cleared up. Thanks to all who continue to wait patiently. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:44:50 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? Joe said: > I was leafing through the first edition of the > Rolling Stone record review > guide ca. 1979. TALES gets 4 stars. Every Black > Sabbath album save one > gets one star. (PARANOID gets two.) Every Velvets > album gets 5 stars. I have the second edition (ca. 1982) where TALES gets revised to one star, and PARANOID loses its extra star, as do the second and third Velvets' albums. then Gil said: > 4 stars for Tales? Maybe that's 1 star per track... Back when the Apple music service was launched, someone mentioned on slashdot that at $0.99 per track, you could download the whole of TFTO for $3.96. What a bargain! I don't even know if that album is available on iTunes.. then Rog asked: > So, my loyal tastemakers of the Loud List, is there anything new (or > newly discovered) on eMusic that I should be downloading? I'm really enjoying the latest self-titled album by Rog's Denver homies Dressy Bessy, but I've noticed a slow down in the flow of new releases into eMusic recently. nowhere near the edge, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:22:15 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? > From: Steve Holtebeck > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:44:50 -0700 > > Joe said: I was leafing through the first edition of the Rolling Stone record > review guide ca. 1979. TALES gets 4 stars. Every Black Sabbath album save > one gets one star. (PARANOID gets two.) Every Velvets album gets 5 stars. > > I have the second edition (ca. 1982) where TALES gets revised to one star, and > PARANOID loses its extra star, as do the second and third Velvets' albums. I used to have both editions, the red book and the blue book, and it was a lot of fun comparing them. My favorite contrast was when a reviewer in the first edition raved about all of the Doors' albums, and then in the second edition, Dave Marsh replaced those reviews with his own, which rated them all one or two stars and said something to the effect that only a terminal case of arrested adolescence could maintain high regard for such a sucky, pretentious band. It was so mean and personal; it helped cement my opinion of Dave Marsh as one of the biggest assholes in the world. Even though I kind of agree with him about the Doors. > then Gil said: 4 stars for Tales? Maybe that's 1 star per track... > > Back when the Apple music service was launched, someone mentioned on slashdot > that at $0.99 per track, you could download the whole of TFTO for $3.96. What > a bargain! I don't even know if that album is available on iTunes.. Once iTunes' music store had been up a few days, it became clear that some albums, probably including this one, were available for purchase only as a complete album, for the album price of $9.99. Bummer. > then Rog asked: So, my loyal tastemakers of the Loud List, is there anything > new (or newly discovered) on eMusic that I should be downloading? This is really weird, but I've been enjoying the holy hell out of Tubeway Army's REPLICAS, an album that I failed to reel in at the time it was released. The five songs that open the album--ending in "Down in the Park"--compose one of the best mini-albums I know. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:16:40 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] okay, who left the silver lame cape in the back seat of the Trans Am? At 07:44 PM 9/16/2003 -0700, Steve Holtebeck wrote: >then Rog asked: >> So, my loyal tastemakers of the Loud List, is there anything new (or >> newly discovered) on eMusic that I should be downloading? > >I'm really enjoying the latest self-titled album by Rog's Denver homies >Dressy Bessy, but I've noticed a slow down in the flow of new releases >into eMusic recently. That happens occasionally, and in the past it's always been followed by something enormous like the entire Beggars Banquet/4AD or Voiceprint catalogues. Last summer when they got to raid the Universal catalogue, there were no update for like a solid month and then suddenly several thousand new albums all at once. S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #271 *******************************