From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #266 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, September 11 2003 Volume 03 : Number 266 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder ["me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder interesting article. but i like that they put their style guide online. how cool is that? http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/0,5817,184913,00.html brianna - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Account 7870" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder > An amusing and insightful little article in _The Guardian_ on the weird, > twisted little U.S. abstinence-mania: > . > > My favorite part? "I once asked Andrew Doniger, director of health in > Rochester, New York state, how long people were supposed to wait [under > nominally secular, school-based abstinence strictures]. He said: 'We don't > specify, we just say "wait."' I said: 'What, you just take the time you want > to have sex, add an unspecified amount of time, and then have sex?' He said: > 'You're a pain in the ass, you know that?'" > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ > ::you can't imagine how hard it is to mail-order fifty red Maglites > ::when you're a duck with no numeric street address > :: --glenn mcdonald > > ps: everyone here knows that Roger Winston's birthday has just passed us by, > right? - and again, did anyone here buy him the special goldplated, > leather-embossed Blue Oyster Cult box set? No, they did not. No one here's > got any respect, I tell ya... (I would have, but it's against the religion I > happened to have taken up a few minutes ago.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:23 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder in particular, i like this entry: affect/effect exhortations in the style guide had no effect (noun) on the number of mistakes the level of mistakes was not affected (verb) by exhortations in the style guide - ----- Original Message ----- From: "me" To: "Account 7870" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder > interesting article. but i like that they put their style guide online. > how cool is that? > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/0,5817,184913,00.html > > brianna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" > To: "Account 7870" > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:39 PM > Subject: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder > > > > An amusing and insightful little article in _The Guardian_ on the weird, > > twisted little U.S. abstinence-mania: > > . > > > > My favorite part? "I once asked Andrew Doniger, director of health in > > Rochester, New York state, how long people were supposed to wait [under > > nominally secular, school-based abstinence strictures]. He said: 'We don't > > specify, we just say "wait."' I said: 'What, you just take the time you > want > > to have sex, add an unspecified amount of time, and then have sex?' He > said: > > 'You're a pain in the ass, you know that?'" > > > > ..Jeff > > > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > > The Architectural Dance Society > > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ > > ::you can't imagine how hard it is to mail-order fifty red Maglites > > ::when you're a duck with no numeric street address > > :: --glenn mcdonald > > > > ps: everyone here knows that Roger Winston's birthday has just passed us > by, > > right? - and again, did anyone here buy him the special goldplated, > > leather-embossed Blue Oyster Cult box set? No, they did not. No one here's > > got any respect, I tell ya... (I would have, but it's against the religion > I > > happened to have taken up a few minutes ago.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:13:54 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:11:23 -0700, me wrote: >in particular, i like this entry: > >affect/effect >exhortations in the style guide had no effect (noun) on the number of >mistakes >the level of mistakes was not affected (verb) by exhortations in the style >guide I agree with "email", but was surprised to see "eg" with no full points. Do other style guides (eg, NYTimes, Chicago) do that? I'm always picky about using the full points. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder > ps: everyone here knows that Roger Winston's birthday has just passed us > by, right? - and again, did anyone here buy him the special goldplated, > leather-embossed Blue Oyster Cult box set? No, they did not. No one > here's got any respect, I tell ya... (I would have, but it's against the > religion I > happened to have taken up a few minutes ago.) Never too late to leave him a Furby voice mail, though! Guess what lonely, hungry little fuzzball showed up in the kitchen of the Monkey Pub last night, waiting to be adopted... Andy WARREN: AMERICAN SPLENDOR employs some unusual story-telling techniques, blending fictional re-enactments, cartoon recreations and "reality" in the guise of the film's actual subjects. Were you ever concerned the script wouldn't translate to the screen? JAMES: No. The script had such energy and imagination I knew it would be a good movie. My only concern was the usual one one has when doing an independent film... wondering if anyone will see it. Happily, [the movie's] done better than any of us could have anticipated. WARREN: In high school, students often "cheat" on book reports. Instead of reading the source material, they'll watch the movie. In order to play Robert Crumb did you "cheat?" Did you watch Terry Zwigoff's CRUMB rather than meet with the artist or doing other research? JAMES: It didn't seem feasible that I could meet the man because a) although he allowed some of his artwork to appear in the film, I heard he wasn't crazy about the idea of someone playing him and b) he lives in France. Naturally the documentary ran like a loop in my apartment. I also found some other video and audio that was very helpful, especially a tape of a 1980s radio interview he did in which he reminisces very fondly about his days in San Francisco in the '60s. I was struck by the wistfulness of his voice on this tape... very different from the acerbic character of the Zwigoff film. I also read as much by and about him as possible. His published collection of (mostly teenage) letters, "Your Vigor For Life Appalls Me," was particularly fascinating. In my youth I'd wanted to be a cartoonist, so it really was sort of a dream role. WARREN: Suzuki. It's not just a motorcycle, it's a technique. What is it and how does it inform your screen performances? JAMES: I own a copy of Tadashi Suzuki's "The Way of Acting," but I've never actually read it. You've inspired me to finally do so. I think it has something to do with managing your energy. WARREN: Who's the oddest fellow: Harvey Pekar, Robert Crumb, Paul Giamatti or...James Urbaniak? (The foot fetish displayed in SEX AND THE CITY was just a scripted quirk, no?) JAMES: That's a question for the American public to decide. Actually, when I shot that SEX AND THE CITY episode one of the writers told me it had been written with me in mind. Go figure. WARREN: Typically, actors don't appreciate directors who offer line-readings. Can you identify your worst trait as a collaborative artist on-set? How 'bout your best? JAMES: My worst trait on a set? You leave me no choice but to respond with the classic job interview clichi: "Sometimes I work TOO hard. I'm TOO focused." My best trait is always being able to find a place to nap. Always. WARREN: You're nobody's fool. But, your everyone's favorite in HENRY FOOL. The film reps just one of your many teamings with director Hal Hartley. What have you learned from Long Island's idiosyncratic auteur? JAMES: He constructs such a rigorously controlled mise-en-scene that it forces you to be incredibly specific and precise, emotionally and physically. That's a lesson you can bring to more naturalistic, less "stylized" projects. Good acting can never be too specific. WARREN: Give us the sweet and lowdown on Sean Penn. Is he... ? a) a terrific actor b) a drinking buddy c) an enigma wrapped in a riddle in bed with Robin Wright d) none of the above JAMES: Whap! Whap! Whap! (Beat.) That was my SKULL! ... Sorry, what was the question? WARREN: In the comic short, DAYPASS, you play a broken-hearted lover who returns from the grave for a second shot. You seemed to channel Beetlejuice, Christopher Walken and Robert Smith of The Cure for the performance, but what do I know about process?!? So, tell us how did you approach assaying the still-smitten stiff? JAMES: Don't sell yourself short, Warren. I bet you know plenty about process! We can throw our lives into turmoil over an amorous obsession. It's not so far a leap to come back from the dead. WARREN: Tell us about your theatre troupe, Arden Party. Need one be invited or bring beer to partake in the festivities? JAMES: The Party's over but we had a great time. My little off-off-Broadway theatre company ran just short of ten years. It brought me to New York and taught me a hell of a lot. For an actor, working intensively and exclusively with your own group is insane and exhilarating. I wouldn't trade a second of the experience. WARREN: Let's say Jerry Bruckheimer opts to produce CON AIR 2: THE COCKPITS. If he asked, would you board the project? What would determine your participation in commercial, Hollywood fare? Do you have certain script standards, particular demands or are you just waiting for a top-dollar offer? JAMES: I'm not in a position to turn down high-paying, high profile Hollywood work if and when it's offered. You know, I'm an "independent film actor" because those are the films that usually cast me. But let's see... a legendary, expatriate underground cartoonist highjacks a plane full of dangerous criminals. The only man who can talk him down is one of his oldest friends, a salt-of-the-earth Cleveland file clerk. Giamatti. Urbaniak. AMERICAN SPLENDOR II. This Time It's Personal. - --James Urbaniak, the actor portraying Robert Crumb in AMERCIAN SPLENDOR, from an inteview by Warren Etheredge of www.thewarrenreport.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder i disagree very strongly with "email". see http://instantweb.com/d/dictionary/foldoc.cgi?query=email my own reasoning is that since it is short for 'electronic' it should be hyphenated. brianna > I agree with "email", but was surprised to see "eg" > with no full > points. Do other style guides (eg, NYTimes, Chicago) do > that? I'm > always picky about using the full points. - -- What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em? - Calvin - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/cat_techterror.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:26:53 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:17:56 -0700 (PDT), me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >i disagree very strongly with "email". see >http://instantweb.com/d/dictionary/foldoc.cgi?query=email > >my own reasoning is that since it is short for >'electronic' it should be hyphenated. But you are using reason, which isn't a good predictor for language. Last I looked, most style guides preferred "e-mail", but usage favored "email". I finally gave in, and we standardized on "email" internally. You might have logic and reason on your side, but I think time will put you on the losing side of this one. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:43:19 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Afoot/Cypress Reviewed The Let's Active reissue for Afoot & Cypress gets a review in Billboard www.billboard.com and the tribute gets a mention along with the Crowd Scene and King Kilowatt's contributions. Alright Graham and doug!! BTW, saw the Fiendish Minstrels (Mitch's current band) last Friday night and they did "Every Dog Has His Day" and "Flags for Everything". Larry from Billboard: Quirky North Carolina outfit Let's Active rode into music on the Southern rock coattails of R.E.M., by virtue of tours with the Athens, Ga., legends, and because co-founder/ex-Sneakers member Mitch Easter co-produced R.E.M.'s 1983 debut, "Murmur." Yet, as the recent CD reissue of "Cypress/Afoot" (its debut LP and EP, respectively) demonstrates, Let's Active's earliest work was by no means a carbon-copy of college rock chime. "Afoot," a remix of the group's demo tape, carves out a whimsical niche rooted in artsy synth twang ("Room With a View") and childish, wide-eyed jangle pop ("Make Up With Me"). Faye Hunter's sweet vocals and askew bass lines add delightfully crooked accompaniment to the rickety hooks of "Every Word Means No" and the herky-jerky "Leader of Men." "Cypress" lost much of the biting pop brevity and urgency of "Afoot," but maintained Let's Active's thoughtful melancholy and core instrumental arrangements. Slightly more polished interplay between ringing riffs and keyboards appears on "Easy Does" and "Blue Line," while "Prey" and "Flags for Everything" emerge as sophisticated interpretations of folksy psychedelia. Two bonus tracks -- highlighted by the danceable, warm "Two Yous" -- round out this worthy collection, which sounds as fresh as it did two decades ago. "Every Word," a recent Laughing Outlaw Records tribute album dedicated to the band, also carries on this courageous creativity. Highlights include an Elvis Costello-esque "Horizon" from "Cypress" co-producer Don Dixon and ex-Spongetone Jamie Hoover; the soul-tinged reworking of "Writing the Book of Last Pages" from Brits the Crowd Scene; the Trolleyvox's Beatles-like "Crows on a Phone Line"; King Kilowatt's crunchy, girl-group indie fuzz-up of "Mr. Fool" and a garage glammy "I Feel Funny" from Soap Star Joe. With such diverse but rewarding covers, "Word" successfully captures the joyous spirit of adventure that made Let's Active so unique. - --Annie Zaleski ___________________________ John L. Micek State Government Reporter The Morning Call Harrisburg, Pa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Terms of Service . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder > You might have logic and reason on your side, but I > think time will put > you on the losing side of this one. you're probably right, but at least i get to put up a good fight. i'm the editor for all copy for a fairly large domain name registrar, so at least there are about 300,000 people who get to see it with a hyphen every so often :) b - -- What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em? - Calvin - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/cat_techterror.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:38:35 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT), me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >you're probably right, but at least i get to put up a >good fight. i'm the editor for all copy for a fairly >large domain name registrar, so at least there are >about 300,000 people who get to see it with a hyphen >every so often :) Just so it is used consistently. For example, in this document pulled randomly off the web, it was spelled both ways, but most frequently "email". I guess they're just a company who needs a good editor. :-) > http://www.namesecure.com/en_US/index.jhtml?cat=agreement&subCat=null ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:39:22 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:26:53 -0400, "John Swartzentruber" said: > But you are using reason, which isn't a good predictor for language. > Last I looked, most style guides preferred "e-mail", but usage favored > "email". I finally gave in, and we standardized on "email" internally. > You might have logic and reason on your side, but I think time will > put you on the losing side of this one. Depends on what language you write in. In Dutch, you can't really use "email" for "electronic mail" as it means "enamel" (and I assume it means the same thing in French as well), so people use "e-mail" instead. Toodlepip, - -Stef - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:09:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder Quoting me@justanotherfuckin.com: > i disagree very strongly with "email". see > http://instantweb.com/d/dictionary/foldoc.cgi?query=email > > my own reasoning is that since it is short for > 'electronic' it should be hyphenated. Agreed. (But not as in "their hearts were agreed with money") ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:03:06 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder hrm. don't get me started on what the lawyers do. or on how i am not allowed to go near any of their crap. i take zero responsibility for that doc, and theo thers that have been rammed through in my absence week before last. b - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Swartzentruber" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] abstinence makes the font grow harder > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT), me@justanotherfuckin.com > wrote: > > >you're probably right, but at least i get to put up a > >good fight. i'm the editor for all copy for a fairly > >large domain name registrar, so at least there are > >about 300,000 people who get to see it with a hyphen > >every so often :) > > Just so it is used consistently. For example, in this document pulled > randomly off the web, it was spelled both ways, but most frequently > "email". I guess they're just a company who needs a good editor. :-) > > > http://www.namesecure.com/en_US/index.jhtml?cat=agreement&subCat=null ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #266 *******************************