From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #263 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, September 8 2003 Volume 03 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Schramms ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] [loud-fans] defenders, Dana, etc. [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot write-up, Labor Day (long) [Steve Holtebeck <] RE: [loud-fans] Schramms ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot write-up, Labor Day (long) [Michael Zwirn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:53:17 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Schramms > For anyone interested--and granted I don't think I've ever > even heard the Schramms, though I wonder if they're related > to Ken--they've got a live record out just this year, 2000 > WEISS BEERS FROM HOME. Andy, thanks for that - the reviews on the web for this (2 CD set) are uniformly excellent - Dan, have you heard it yet? Seems to be an Internet-only ordering deal from Amazon and some other sites but I've asked Bill at Minus Zero to see if he can source a copy for me - the man has contacts :-) Who's Ken? > --David Blaine, from an interview by B. J. Sigesmund > regarding the performer's plans to spend 44 days locked in a > Plexiglass box hanging over the Thames, with only water, a > journal, and a backpack full of diapers as provisions; Will have to go and see this nutcase sometime... What can he write in a journal? "Woke up, had a drink of water, messed my diaper..." Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:39:53 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD Rot? In a message dated 9/6/03 2:27:00 PM, rwinston@tde.com writes: << On another matter, whatever happened to dana, our most prolific poster? And JRT and Sharples, for that matter? None have posted anything since before the blackout. Did our New York contingent have their computers or Internet access wiped out in the blackout or something? Maybe someone should check on them. >> I'm not sure why Dana's been so quiet, but I've just been patiently waiting for BOC to come up again, since my casual reading for the past months has been working through a complete series of the Marvel comic book series "The Defenders," and I recently finished issues #58-60. And I've had that weird static show up on two CD's when they were brand new, so maybe that's a manufacturing defect. The only CD that I've ever had go bad on me remains the s/t Bleached Black release from 1987. I hope the whole manufacturing run didn't suffer the same fate, since they're forgotten enough as it is. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:47:17 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD Rot? At Sunday 9/7/2003 08:39 AM -0400, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >I'm not sure why Dana's been so quiet, but I've just been patiently waiting >for BOC to come up again, since my casual reading for the past months has >been >working through a complete series of the Marvel comic book series "The >Defenders," and I recently finished issues #58-60. Ahhh, by writer David Anthony Kraft. That guy was sure obsessed with BOC. I remember discovering those issues at the height of my BOC-geekdom and being in heaven. If only the band itself had put in more of an appearance, but then I'm sure they would've had to give their approval. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] defenders, Dana, etc. On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure why Dana's been so quiet, but I've just been patiently waiting > for BOC to come up again, since my casual reading for the past months has been > working through a complete series of the Marvel comic book series "The > Defenders," and I recently finished issues #58-60. oh man, i have fond memories of those. > And I've had that weird static show up on two CD's when they were brand new, > so maybe that's a manufacturing defect. The only CD that I've ever had go bad i've heard that static on a couple of new cds and a LOT of cdrs, which makes me think it's inclined to be a manufacturing defect or related to excessive physical errors on the disc. but i also had a dying cd player start doing that with an ever increasing number of cds, and even on the static-y discs, the static is more or less evident on different machines. i'll take a flyer and guess that dana might not mind my telling folks that he's left the list at least temporarily, due to problems with his health. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 13:49:52 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot write-up, Labor Day (long) Michael Zwirn wrote: > Ah, Bumbershoot. An event that promises more good music than you > possibly listen to at once, in too many venues to easily traverse, with > so many people in the crowd that you can scarcely push through them in > order to eat greasily prepared food that costs too damn much. Yet, in > spite of it all, Bumbershoot may be my standard-bearer for all-day (or > all-weekend) rock festivals. Bumbershoot is great. I was visiting the Northwest last weekend, and made it up to the festival for Labor Day, the same day Michael did, and based on his report, it sounds like I literally walked in his footprints, right down to being shut out of the same New Pornographers show at the Exhibition hall. I thought $20 for an all-day ticket was worth it just for the REM/Wilco show, since other shows on their tour going for double that, so I saw everything else besides that show as an extra bonus. After being turned away from the NPs show, I thought about going to see Daniel Lanois at the Opera Hall, but decided to head over to Memorial Stadium early to score a good spot for REM, after picking up a cajun salmon burger for sustenance (it is a bit pricey, but Bumbershoot has is some of the best festival food I've ever had!). It pays to be early because I ended up right in front of the stage, which is just like having Wilco and REM playing in your living room. Anyway, I thought it sounded pretty good up front, and even though I could give or take Wilco on record, they're always worth seeing live. I've never heard much country in their sound, or similarities between Jeff Tweedy's voice and Neil Finn's voice, but he must be a fan because they were playing Neil's ONE ALL on the PA before their set. Their own set was mostly songs from YHF with a few oldies thrown in, and I thought they did pretty well squeezing their extended set into a 50 minute opening band slot. I've seen REM a bunch of times (first show 1983 and at least once on every US tour since), but always in places with reserved seating so I've never been able to see them so up close and personal. They started off with "Begin The Begin", "Finest Worksong", and "Maps And Legends", thrilling the older (both age-wise and tenure-wise) fans and puzzling the others in attendance. I don't remember hearing either "Orange Crush" or "The Last Straw", but they did play both of the new songs on their upcoming greatest hits CD, "Bad Day" and "Animal". I liked both of those quite a bit, and thought they reclaim some of the "rock" that's been lacking in REM's most recent material. I know "Bad Day" was originally an outtake from LIFES RICH PAGEANT (it's been reworked with different lyrics), and "Animal" also sounds like an "old REM" song, for what that's worth. The rest of the track listing for the greatest hits CD has being revealed on the REM web site (www.remhq.com) one track a day since the start of September, and the album comes out in October. They're now six tracks in, with no sign of either "Stand" or "Shiny Happy People".. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Schramms > Andy, thanks for that - the reviews on the web for this (2 CD set) are > uniformly excellent - Dan, have you heard it yet? Seems to be an > Internet-only ordering deal from Amazon and some other sites but I've > asked Bill at Minus Zero to see if he can source a copy for me - the man > has contacts :-) > > Who's Ken? The web shows me many Ken Schrammses, but the one I was thinking of hosts, or did host, a popular Seattle TV show called "Town Meeting." > Will have to go and see this nutcase sometime... What can he write in a > journal? "Woke up, had a drink of water, messed my diaper..." Please take some pictures to show us a...er, maybe post on your website...well, you can mail them to me at any rate. I'm just eager to see Korine's documentary, natch, Andy Librarians Protest New Action Figure Sun Sep 7, 1:06 PM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo! By HELEN JUNG, AP Business Writer SEATTLE - A new action figure of a frumpy-looking librarian who moves her index finger to her lips with "amazing push-button shushing action!" is prompting librarians around the world to raise their voices in protest. "The shushing thing just put me right over the edge," said Diane DuBois, library director of Caribou Public Library in Caribou, Maine. "We're so not like that anymore. It's so stereotypical I could scream." The 5-inch Librarian Action Figure, which shows a bespectacled woman in a cardigan, long plain skirt and sensible shoes, goes on sale in October for $8.95. It is produced by Seattle kitsch retailer Archie McPhee and Co., whose lineup of action figures includes Sigmund Freud, Nico the espresso stand barista, and the McPhee action figure that started it all, Jesus Christ. On Web sites and discussion groups, in phone calls and e-mails, librarians from as far as Australia have made it clear how annoyed they are with the doll and Nancy Pearl, the 58-year-old real-life librarian who posed for the action figure. One unsigned e-mail accused Pearl of setting the profession back 30 years. The criticism moved Pearl to stop reading about the figure online. "It's a little bit disconcerting to read about how dowdy you are on somebody's blog," said Pearl, executive director of the Seattle Public Library's Washington Center for the Book. Pearl, who knew she wanted to be a librarian from age 10, started "If All of Seattle Read the Same Book," a book-reading project that has caught on in communities across the country. She loves books so much, she offers reading recommendations on her voice mail. She also wrote the new book "Book Lust: Recommended Reading for Every Mood, Moment and Reason." Archie McPhee owner Mark Pahlow said that his company admires librarians, and critics of the action figure are missing the point. He said librarians are heroes for everything from encouraging literacy to raising concerns about a federal anti-terrorism law that lets authorities see what books people are checking out from libraries. "They are on the front lines," Pahlow said. "They are speaking up for us." As for the "shushing thing," it is a "playful aspect to get attention," Pahlow said. Despite the backlash, Pearl said she does not regret posing for the doll: "It's a lovely idea and a lovely tribute to my chosen profession." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:47:52 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot write-up, Labor Day (long) > They started off > with "Begin The Begin", "Finest Worksong", and "Maps And Legends", > thrilling the older (both age-wise and tenure-wise) fans and puzzling > the others in attendance. I don't remember hearing either "Orange > Crush" > or "The Last Straw", but they did play both of the new songs on their > upcoming greatest hits CD, "Bad Day" and "Animal". I was inadvertently including "Orange Crush" because they played it two days hence in Portland, and I was dazed from so much R.E.M. in a 48 hour period... I think "Bad Day" is pretty great, based on 2 live hearings and a snippet from the website. In ref: the track listing, Pitchfork Magazine published the entire track listing. No "Shiny Happy People" or "Radio Song." Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:51:45 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot write-up, Labor Day (long) Quoting Steve Holtebeck : > that's worth. The rest of the track listing for the greatest hits CD > has being revealed on the REM web site (www.remhq.com) one track a day > since the start of September, and the album comes out in October. > They're now six tracks in, with no sign of either "Stand" or "Shiny > Happy People".. Matthew at Fluxblog (http://newflux.blogspot.com/) lists all the tracks (he doesn't say what his source is) in his 9-1-03 entry, and goes on to critique the selection. "Stand" is apparently there, "Shiny" isn't. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass np: Elf Power _When the Red King Comes_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:06:48 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot write-up, Labor Day (long) on 9/7/03 1:49 PM, Steve Holtebeck at smholt@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Bumbershoot is great. I was visiting the Northwest last weekend, and > made it up to the festival for Labor Day, the same day Michael did, and > based on his report, it sounds like I literally walked in his > footprints, right down to being shut out of the same New Pornographers > show at the Exhibition hall. well, it seems there were a lot of us on the grounds that day, although i actually made it into the New Pornographers show. Mr. Zwirn's earlier allusion to the wretchedness of the Exhibition Hall venue didn't do it justice though. the cavernous basement's defining architectural feature turned out to be several rows of massive columns running the length of the hall, achieving a rare standard -- pretty much no matter where you stood, your view of the stage was obstructed. i finally wised up about halfway through the set -- which i thought was great -- and moved around to the stage side. that afforded the rare opportunity to spend 25 minutes looking at Neko Case in profile. (those wondering why that would be a big deal might refer to www.kutie.com ) the afternoon actually started with a tour of EMP's newish Hendrix exhibit with Jen and her posse (Debbie the Zookeeper and Ann of Sweden, the latter of whom was very patient when i queried her about ABBA.) suffice it to say that Jimi's landscapes compared favorably to those of Bob Ross, and Jen is a mean drummer. (she may or may not wish to expound on this observation.) > Anyway, I thought it sounded pretty good up front, and even though I > could give or take Wilco on record, they're always worth seeing live. while i'm not yet one of the Wilco acolytes, i *really* enjoyed their show - -- delicate arrangements, good sound where i was standing, an all-around good match for the outdoor venue and warm summer evening. "War on War" was among the highlights, although i couldn't claim real familiarity with most of the material. they were very engaging, in any event. i have to say, while Memorial Stadium itself is somewhat beaten down, and comments on the sound quality are always mixed, some of my fondest concert memories seem to be accruing there thanks to Bumbershoot. this performance added to the list, as did that of the headliners... > I've seen REM a bunch of times (first show 1983 and at least once on > every US tour since), but always in places with reserved seating so I've > never been able to see them so up close and personal. They started off > with "Begin The Begin", "Finest Worksong", and "Maps And Legends", > thrilling the older (both age-wise and tenure-wise) fans and puzzling > the others in attendance. i think this was my fourth REM show over the years, and the band seems to be having more fun than ever on stage these days (thanks perhaps to an infusion of blood from Mssrs. McCaughey and Stringfellow). the opening salvo of relative oldies was indeed a treat, and while i'm still ambivalent about some of Reveal, songs like "Imitation of Life" certainly acquit themselves well in the live setting. the current arrangement of "Electrolite with banjo" is excellent, and the Mike Mills piano numbers ("At My Most Beautiful" and something else i've forgotten) seemed like crowd favorites. i thought it was a grand show, and not just because i was rather intoxicated on wine and the perfume of the bovine-eyed flight attendant in front of me. i also enjoyed their playing up the fact that 4/6 of the touring band are Seattle residents, with Mr. Buck announcing "hello, hometown" as they took the stage. there are perks to living up here -- like two REM shows in four years at Bumbershoot. dc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:34:21 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] chat? Brian and I are chatting away at irc.eskimo.com so come on over. #loudfans, of course, though you should help populate it with some exclusively Loud Fans people before it risks becoming #epinions. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #263 *******************************