From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #258 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 3 2003 Volume 03 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] another one of them damned lists to start arguments over [Dave Walker ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:12:15 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another one of them damned lists to start arguments over - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 03:03 PM, Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett wrote: >> Ooh, the Black Dog were great. They still exist, in a sense >> (Ken Downie carries on the name, essentially as a solo >> project), but the classic lineup split in '94. > > There's a track from Bytes - Xeper - on the first Trance Europe Express > compilation (from Sept 1993, yikes, 10 years already) which is blinding Yep, the confusing thing is that on _Bytes_, the track is called "Carceres Ex Novum" and is credited to Xeper (on _Bytes_, the individual tracks are credited to various permutations of the three members, but nowhere in the packaging is there an "answer key" that explains what those combinations are.) I happen to know, for example, that Balil is Ed Handley solo, and Plaid is Ed Handley and Andy Turner, but I don't know what combination of members composed Xeper, or I.A.O., or Close Up Over, or... doesn't matter, though, the music's great. I'll take this opportunity to plug http://www.discogs.com, which is a wonderful resource. Too bad there's not a cross-referenced database for pop with the level of completeness and accuracy this particular site has for electronic music. > - I always felt that the compilation was the natural home for a lot of > this stuff (except maybe The Orb, Orbital, Future Sound of London, > Aphex > Twin). The TEE series was excellent and for a while the genre was > really looking like it would be the new punk... Then the "superclubs" and the "supahstah DJs" landed (i.e. the money) and suddenly it was all about Sasha and Oakenfold and blah. On the plus side, there are still kids with laptops ripping shit up, but you have to dig deeper for it. -d.w. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/VIkpvAODNwISwkYRAofpAJ945gGpU7zj+WlZE4/9oLo19ws/gACeP4Kk UtYXBscxYcH0nGty+TR69tI= =WTFC - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:15:45 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: You met another then pfft! you were gone DMW then Jeffrey: >>>>Was the timeframe chosen to deliberately >>>> exclude "guyville" d'you think? Or is that an arguably serious omission? >>The timeframe was chosen to correspond with _Magnet_'s publication: it >>didn't exist before '93. I was gonna guess the timeframe was AC (Anno Cobaini), immediately after Kurt died for our sins but inclusive of his Sermon on Mount Utero... doubtless In Utero would've aced the "overly produced slick commercial sellout" Nevermind anyway, though (is there an indie-producer Ro-Sham-Bo, where Albini raps Vig, etc. ?) ___________ Mouldy stuff: >>I don't think so - they could have chosen one of his solo albums. Okay, >>I confess: when I listen to them, I like them - but except for _Workbook_ >>(acoustic-y) and _Black Sheets of Rain_ (never liked - too monochromatic), I >>can never remember which one's which. My problem is he seems to come up with either a great sound *or* great songs, but rarely both at the same time. Or maybe stuff like "Last Dog & Pony Show" sounds too effortless for him (may not be effortless, but it sounds that way). Those aren't bad records at all, but the returns were diminishing fast enough that for the first time I gave his new records a miss when he did that trio (or more) of records under various names a few years back. I'll probably return to the fould when I hear unreservedly good things about a Mould record, but that hasn't happened for a while. _______ Dave on the Strokes: >>I heard a leaked track from the new one (due out in >>October, I think) that sounded like a pretty effective >>Cars pastiche (complete with flutey lead synth-line and >>handclaps.) Howza come all the new '80's-influenced bands that started off stealing (however gratuitously) from interesting '80's acts (and there respective influences) have all defaulted to stealing from the better-known novelty-oriented acts? I like the Cars okay, but, you know. I'm thinking also of the new Dandy Warhols which I'm betting will disappoint me, too. Is this the fallout from "electro-clash" (cf. Fisher-Spooner covering Wire but sounding like OMD in the process) or what? Is the next Interpol record destined to sound like Kajagoogoo? ____ Phil's list of "less-token-y 'electronica'": >>Feel free to mentally substitute Boards of Canada's "Music >>Has The Right To Children", or Mouse On Mars' "Iaoara Tahiti", >>or Autechre's "Tri Repetae", or Jeff Mills' "The Other Day", >>or Squarepusher's "Feed Me Weird Things", or Oval's >>"Systemisch", or The Black Dog's "Spanners", or the >>Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2", or... Innaresting. I have big gobs of Aphex Twin and some Autechre. All my Squarepusher is on three Ninja Tune comps which, at two discs a pop, are really excellent surveys of some of the cooler stuff to arrive in the '90's in that realm where you don't need the full-lengths. I did follow up on some of that stuff... Wagonchrist/Vibert and Up Bustle & Out have some worthy stuff. Another indispensible '90's electronica comp, for my money, was "Anokha" with Talvin Singh, State of Bengal, etc. The category of "other potential tokens" is fairly rich, too. I'd say that the current incarnation of Underworld has never put out a bad record, and there are two superb Massive Attack records in the period covered here. Laika was recently discussed here, and I love that stuff. The Avalanches, that was a gimmicky record but ever-so listenable (they had me at the John Cale sample). You could throw in Lamb if you like your angular, challenging stuff with a side of female vocals. I'm quite partial to Lionrock, as well... it's a tossup between their two records for me, but one or the other would land easily on my "Best of the '90's" list if I did one. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised Saint Etienne didn't make the list in some form. They were doing a lot of what indie bands are into now a long, long time ago... mofos even put out a record or two on SubPop, fercobainsake. - -Rex "and God help me, the Chemical Brothers have one helluva live show" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Gordon Subject: [loud-fans] Viewfinder (ns, emusic) Lately, I'm really enjoying the Viewfinder album "The Stars On Ice", which is up on emusic. Never heard of these guys before, but I'm quite a fan of their album, and since I don't think I've seen them discussed here, I thought I'd mention it. I can't put my finger on exactly what this reminds me of, but I definitely hear some occasional Durutti Column-esque guitar work which I enjoy. Folks who know this band, was this their only album? I haven't been able to find too much info about them online (and will confess that I didn't kill myself trying). - -Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:07:57 -0700 From: Tim Walters Subject: [loud-fans] Autoplug I don't know if any of the electronic music fans on this list live in Arizona, but I might as well announce that I'm playing the Different Skies festival at Arcosanti on the 12th and 13th of this month. Full info at http://www.differentskies.org. Oh, and my alter ego Shalmaneser is on the bill at Woodstockhausen in Santa Cruz, CA on September 27: http://www.woodstockhausen.org, although there doesn't seem to be any useful info up there yet. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #258 *******************************