From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #240 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, August 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 240 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] [loud-fans] Laika? I hardly knowa! ["Rex.Broome" ] [loud-fans] seattle and portland loud-fans [Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) Quoting Aaron Mandel : > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > They were doing both the trip-hop thing and the wicked fast percussion > > beneath slow-moving groove thing before either was big - > > That claim struck me as suspicious, so I looked up release dates, and > the > first Laika album came out right around the same time as Maxinquaye and > Timeless. So Laika really didn't invent trip-hop or jungle but I guess > they were hip enough to have elements of those sounds in their music at > the same time as each genre's big crossover hit was being recorded... Yeah, I didn't phrase that very well - I didn't mean to claim they invented the Internet...uh, trip-hop or jungle - only that there were elements of both those sounds in their music that I'd heard before I'd read about either of the two genres - that is to say (since I'm hardly on the cutting edge of either) before their emergence into the mainstream. Laika also doesn't slot into either genre, I don't think, although influences are there. Parts of _Good Looking Blues_, for example, almost remind me of electric-period Miles Davis (_Dark Magus_, perhaps). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:08:47 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Laika? I hardly knowa! Brianna: >>12. Laika - Knowing Too Little - i really really like >>this... i keep hearing 'little fish, big fish swimming >>in the water'. very sexy, very nicely >>done, understated. more info please! I'm really rather obsessed with them; I find them a lot more engaging and original than most of the other similar bands who became much better known (Sneaker Pimps, Mono, etc.). And there is a direct PJ Harvey connection: Margaret Fiedler was in Peej's band (along with Howe Gelb (!!!)) on her last tour. The Laika "best of" which came out earlier this year is a nice package, but all their albums are good. I couldn't stop playing "Sounds of the Satellites" when I first discovered it, but in a way I find the twisted roots-blues-deathfolk grace notes on "Good Looking Blues" even more compelling. But then it is me we're talking about here. Plus, Margaret's hot. And the band is actually pretty good live. More mountainfolk terms from my youth: "shitkicker" was used occasionally, although that was also my dad's term for any fast country/bluegrass tune with a two-step beat (cf. "Rocky Top"). Later on the backwoods kids at my high school were known collectively as "the Dirt" (perhaps a truncation of "dirtbag"). In that high school context, the terms "farmer" (or "FFA*") was also used pejoratively, even towards woodsy kids who were in no way associated with farming. Of course "redneck" is evergreen (if you can brook the two terms in such close proximity). The oddest thing, and it seems to have been unique to my town, was that kids with the '80's hair-metal look who were into Motley Crue and Poison et. al. were universally known as "Skynyrds". Never did work that one out. - -Rex, who was more of a "pinhead*" if anything *in this case Future Farmers of America, as opposed to what it stands for in the Leather Nun song **term which covered fans of everthing from Dead Kennedys to Violent Femmes to Depeche Mode. See also "fag". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:26:12 -0700 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: [loud-fans] Is Linda Thompson really Rufus Wainwright's aunt? From Pitchfork today: http://pitchforkmedia.com/news/03-08/15.shtml#story4 ....In addition to past family collaborators-- mama Kate McGarrigle, sister Martha Wainwright and auntie Linda Thompson-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Is Linda Thompson really Rufus Wainwright's aunt? > http://pitchforkmedia.com/news/03-08/15.shtml#story4 > ....In addition to past family collaborators-- mama Kate McGarrigle, > sister Martha Wainwright and auntie Linda Thompson-- I dunno, the tone of the piece seems semi-facetious at least. Looks like Marlon Brando is Courtney Love's grandfather, though: http://imdb.com/PeopleNews/2003/20030813.html Why didn't I see the resemblance? Andy Fuck those fuckin' fans who come out here and say they're Cub fans that are supposed to be behind you, rippin' every fuckin' thing you do. I'll tell you one fuckin' thing, I hope we get fuckin' hotter than shit, just to stuff it up them 3,000 fuckin' people that show up every fuckin' day, because if they're the real Chicago fuckin' fans, they can kiss my fuckin' ass right downtown and PRINT IT. They're really, really behind you around here...my fuckin' ass. What the fuck am I supposed to do, go out there and let my fuckin' players get destroyed every day and be quiet about it? For the fuckin' nickel-dime people who turn up? The motherfuckers don't even work. That's why they're out at the fuckin' game. They oughta go out and get a fuckin' job and find out what it's like to go out and earn a fuckin' living. Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A fuckin' playground for the cocksuckers. Rip them motherfuckers. Rip them fuckin' cocksuckers like the fuckin' players. We got guys bustin' their fuckin' ass, and them fuckin' people boo. And that's the Cubs? My fuckin' ass. They talk about the great fuckin' support the players get around here. I haven't see it this fuckin' year. Everybody associated with this organization have been winners their whole fuckin' life. Everybody. And the credit is not given in that respect. Alright, they don't show because we're 5 and 14...and unfortunately, that's the criteria of them dumb fifteen motherfuckin' percent that come out to day baseball. The other eighty-five percent are earning a living. I tell you, it'll take more than a 5 and 12 or 5 and 14 to destroy the makeup of this club. I guarantee you that. There's some fuckin' pros out there that wanna win. But you're stuck in a fuckin' stigma of the fuckin' Dodgers and the Phillies and the Cardinals an all that cheap shit. It's unbelievable. It really is. It's a disheartening fuckin' situation that we're in right now. Anybody who was associated with the Cub organization four or five years ago that came back and sees the multitude of progress that's been made will understand that if they're baseball people, that 5 and 14 doesn't negate all that work. We got 143 fuckin' games left. What I'm tryin' to say is don't rip them fuckin' guys out there. Rip me. If you wanna rip somebody, rip my fuckin' ass. But don't rip them fuckin' guys 'cause they're givin' everything they can give. And right now they're tryin' to do more than God gave 'em, and that's why we make the simple mistakes. That's exactly why. - --Lee Elia, Chicago Cubs, manager, in 1983 after the Cubs were booed leaving the field at home, having lost a game that left them 5-14 for that season. From http://www.livejournal.com/users/dkasak/81481.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:06:30 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Andy Summers (Emusic, ns) Though it's really not my (usual) cup of tea, the new Andy Summers release, Earth and Sky, is really, for want of a better word, pleasant. It's basically light electric jazz, which I normally run away from, but it's very well done (Andy is of course a great guitarist, and the drumming has a nice live-drummer-does-d&b-style thing going on.) Nothing earth shattering, but if this were on in a restaurant in which I was dining, I'd tap my foot instead of asking them to turn it down. :) -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:58:07 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] seattle and portland loud-fans I'm going to be in Seattle for Bumbershoot from Aug. 28th to Sept. 2, and in Portland, OR from Sept. 2-7. If any of youse guys or gals wanna meet up, email me before the 28th and we'll work out particulars. That includes any of you who don't actually live there, but will be visiting for Bumbershoot. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:55:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] movie/book question Okay, just rented the DVD of _The Saragossa Manuscript_, partly because for some reason it popped into my head recently. But I'd first heard of the movie because some novel or other contains a lengthy summary of that movie...but I cannot, for the life of me, recall what novel that is. Does anyone here know what it is? Thanks... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:09:13 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Is Linda Thompson really Rufus Wainwright's aunt? In a message dated 8/15/2003 7:23:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, michael@zwirn.com writes: > http://pitchforkmedia.com/news/03-08/15.shtml#story4 > ....In addition to past family collaborators-- mama Kate McGarrigle, sister > Martha Wainwright and auntie Linda Thompson-- > Wow was this snide, although I wouldn't expect anything less from Pitchfork. Interesting anyway, I actually like what I'm hearing from it, although I haven't heard the single yet. I think what may be the problem with him getting mainstream airply is that Rufus's voice is an acquired taste, and people may not be able to take it. I don't mind it, although i can't listen to his first album much because of that. And I can do without all the 'big gay' stuff. Andrea ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #240 *******************************