From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #239 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 239 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Not to be confused with wood *ticks*, primary source of Lymedise ase [Dan Stillwell ] [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) [me@justanotherfuckin.com] [loud-fans] The High Hat ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] Re: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) [Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Not to be confused with wood *ticks*, primary source of Lymedise ase Rex.Broome wrote: > > >>Er, woodhick? > > Sorry. Hillbilly, sort of. It may be > specifically Appalachian. Miles? I suppose this is as good a reason as any to de-lurk for a moment. I've never heard "woodhick" before. Maybe it's an eastern WV thang. A former co-worker from Columbus, Ohio, called West Virginians "hilljacks." (We dealt with him. His body will never be found) Is that a common term in Columbus, Janet? And a belated welcome to the list, Rex. My managing editor (originally from Keyser) has heard of your family. Dan Stillwell The only West Virginia-born LoudFan who stayed behind ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:41:09 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Liz Phair on Regis (wait'll the tabloids hear about it) If you're on a weird shift like me, maybe you're at home and can catch Liz Phair on Live w / Regis & Kelly in a few minutes. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] iTunes mix CD help needed! You'd think, considering how regularly I do this, that I'd have it down, but apparently I don't do it quite often enough... I'm trying to make a mix CD in iTunes 4, OS X 10.2.something. I've done this before with the versions of the software that were current last December, and possibly also last August. I don't seem to be able to affect the relative levels of songs. I've tried with 'Sound Check' on (both for playback and burning) and using the manual volume adjusters in the info dialog, but while everything affects audio playback from the iBook roughly how it's supposed to, the CDs I burn are still consistently way too loud in some places, way too soft in others. There's a difference in overall CD loudness with Sound Check on, though. Now, there could be *some* difference induced by what I'm doing; my ears aren't perfect. But I don't think there is, and it's not even close to what it should be -- if I take the too-loud song down to the bottom of the volume adjustment slider and am left thinking "maaaaybe it's a little quieter" on the CD when it's been reduced to near-silence in software playback, that's not right. Has anyone run into anything like this? Any suggestions? a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:32:00 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] flaming lips thing on fluxblog (ns) Can someone with fewer scruples than I have please download the new Flaming Lips track on fluxblog () and tell me if it's a mash up involving the Butthole Surfers song "Moving To Florida." Thank you. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:32:18 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Woodhick reunion >>And a belated welcome to the list, Rex. My managing editor >>(originally from Keyser) has heard of your family. Good lord. Does he/she know of my dad as "Coach Broome", or "Jim Broome the asshole who sang for Thunderhill"? Or Granddad "de facto postmaster" Broome? Not many people from Keyser. John Kruk. That's about it. Wow. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:54:11 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Not to be confused with wood *ticks*, primary source of Lyme disease At 10:29 AM 8/13/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Jer: >>>Er, woodhick? > >Sorry. Hillbilly, sort of. A "hick" who lives in the "woods". Thus >country or mountain music, generally the kind from the Eastern US (although >in this case I was using it partially in reference to Gillian Welch). In my >family we always used this term for ourselves because, I think, we weren't >"rednecks" or "shitkickers". I've only recently realized this isn't a >common term. I guess it's just what woodhicks call themselves. It may be >specifically Appalachian. Miles? Like my homeboy Dan Stillwell, I've never heard of it. As long as we're on terms for mountain folk that I've never heard, add the Stillwell-cited "hilljacks" and straight outta LOOK HOMEWARD, ANGEL (an all-time favorite book), Wolfe's Pennsylvania-born dad muttering "mountain grills" when confronted with some new bizarre act of weirdness committed by his western NC in-laws. back from St. Louis and ready to compare Neil/Lucinda notes with Rex, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Not to be confused with wood *ticks*, primary source of Lyme disease On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > As long as we're on terms for mountain folk that I've never heard, add > the Stillwell-cited "hilljacks" and straight outta LOOK HOMEWARD, > ANGEL (an all-time favorite book), Wolfe's Pennsylvania-born dad > muttering "mountain grills" when confronted with some new bizarre act > of weirdness committed by his western NC in-laws. Maybe Wolfe was a forward-looking Hawkwind fan... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:31:03 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] Maria McKee: Life Is Sweet OK, I'm about nine years behind on this one, but I just discovered this amazing masterpiece and wonder if it's ever been discussed here? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Not to be confused with Tom Wolfe (who's up to what, these days?) > As long as we're on terms for mountain folk that I've never heard, add > the Stillwell-cited "hilljacks" and straight outta LOOK HOMEWARD, ANGEL > (an all-time favorite book), Wolfe's Pennsylvania-born dad muttering > "mountain grills" when confronted with some new bizarre act of weirdness > committed by his western NC in-laws. A book Miles and others might like: MAX PERKINS, EDITOR OF GENUIS, by A. Scott Berg. Fascinating accounts of Perkins' work with Wolfe, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Ring Lardner Sr., and many others. A lovely photo of Wolfe with one foot up on one of three enormous bins filled with manuscript, which eventually became OF TIME AND THE RIVER. Nicholson Baker he wadn't. Andy "Each of us is all the sums he has not counted: subtract us into nakedness and night again, and you shall see begin in Crete four thousand years ago the love that ended yesterday in Texas." - --Thomas Wolfe, from LOOK HOMEWARD, ANGEL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:41:59 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] east coast power outage I hope to God that dana remembered to charge his iPod batteries this morning. Latre. --Rog (expecting the Today Show to devote all three hours tomorrow to this) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) 1. Amnesia - Turtle Song - good - cool 2. Bee Gees - Turn of the Century - amusing - annoying. esp the " 'orseless carriages" - was it from a record? there is a warble to it... 3. The Carribean - Trick Photography - love the opening bass piano line 4. Destroyer - Destroyer's the Temple - annoying voice - - Bowie meets Ian Anderson - reminds me a little too much fo the stuff played in the new age store i worked in briefly. i left partially because of the music. (i like bowie and tull, but not as a morph) irritating lyrics, irritating delivery - too hoppy. 5. Eureka Farm - Terraforming - excellent - love it 6. The Faint - Let the Poison Spill from Your Throat - great cheesy dance club stuff, but could have been bit shorter 7. Daniel Givens - Transitional - um, er, um, digadigadiga with violin? a little too aimless for me. maybe as underscoring for soem avant garde film... 8. Handsome Family - All the TVs in Town - love it. love his voice - really unusual 9. ifihadahifi - Tunguska-Electro - hated it for the first two seconds, probably because of the stark contrast to the previous track. but now i like it - kinda, um, crap... sounding famliar... i love the spoken part. a bit adam ant-ish, or PIL. 10. Jefferson Airplane - Two Heads - of coures, awesome, with ridiculous, pretentious lyrics. okay, maybe not pretentious, because that implies intent. but just the same... 11. Koester - One Day You Too Will Bleed - i like this, but i don't like the piano/harp plunking at the beginning. too abrupt, or forward. 12. Laika - Knowing Too Little - i really really like this... i keep hearing 'little fish, big fish swimming in the water'. very sexy, very nicely done, understated. more info please! 13. Macha - Until Your Temples are Pounding - great! my favorite so far! but i keep hearing 'in a big country, dreams stay with you...' i could just put this on repeat all day! it's like a gang of classically-trained punk-rock bagpipers broke into a buddhist temple and had a big old party with a few of the guys from Midnight Oil and someone who knows maybe 3 chords on a fake electric guitar. 1. Nico - No One is There - oo - nice - of course 2. Oranger - Texas Snow - uh, hasn't started yet, but i expect to hear George Bush talking about cocaine... oh wait - this is um, a very scale-like introduction... ooh - yuck the jitter effect on the vocal makes me uncomfortable. but other than that, i really like it. 3. Polvo - Time Isn't On My Side - i could do without this one. i hate to stop it before it's over, but 3 MINUTES?!?!? NEXT! 4. Q and Not U - Nine THings Everyone Knows - hm. wouldn't buy it. don't mind it, but i think one track would be my limit. 5. Rollerskate Skinny - Shallow Thunder - interesting, in an odd way. noisy. then not noisy. then noisy again. 6. Shudder to Think - X-French Tee Shirt - i'm a sucker for this rhythmically repetitive style, and for odd timing, so i'm sold. but i';d like to take this opportunity to say that i really wish some of these bands would name their songs things that have somethign to do with the lyrics, rahter than this seemingly irrelevant name-out-of-a-hat method. this one even has a repetitive chorus - something like 'hold back the road that goes...', but no relation to the title 7. Thingy - My Room Has a TV - okay, now this title is relevant. the track however, is not. actually, its okay, i just couldnt' resist the easy line. 8. Ultravox - The Thin Wall - was all prepared to like this, and, well, i'm pretty indifferent 9. John Vanderlice - Time Travel is Lonely - i dunno - musically, i like it, but when the singer goes into his 'posturing voice' he annoys me. during the quieter breaks, his put-on (or real) accent is kind of grating. in all, more good than bad. 10. Scott Walker - Tilt - uh, a song about buffalo. i think this will grow on me. i like the background sounds. hrm... singing style... i alwyas wonder if this sort of song is done in seriousness or not. 11. Xiu Xiu - Dr. Troll - neat sounds effects - should not be listened to over headphones. kinda doesn't go anywhere, tho. disjunctive. 12. The Yachts - Yachting Types - more info, please. kinda like it. funny, geeky early 80's sound. 13. Zero Zero - True Zero - right up my alley. more info, please. tracks 14 and 15 - surprise tracks - boy, were they ever... including what i'll call 'Elvis and His Prosthetic Limb Factory', for lack of a better, er, worse, title. thank you, thank you... brianna - -- What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em? - Calvin - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/cat_techterror.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: [loud-fans] The High Hat Interesting new mostly music webzine, including a bit from ex- (?) lister William Ham. http://www.thehighhat.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:32:57 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) Quoting me@justanotherfuckin.com: > 2. Bee Gees - Turn of the Century - amusing - annoying. > esp the " 'orseless carriages" - was it from a record? > there is a warble to it... No - probably just going for that "old record" effect. > 12. Laika - Knowing Too Little - i really really like > this... i keep hearing 'little fish, big fish swimming > in the water'. very sexy, very nicely > done, understated. more info please! Much (all?) of their stuff is available on eMusic - successor band to Moonshake, whose rough edges were sanded a bit smooth here (Then again, if you couldn't stand Callahan's voice, like many people couldn't...). They were doing both the trip-hop thing and the wicked fast percussion beneath slow-moving groove thing before either was big - I think (not sure) they predate that PJ song too. > 13. Macha - Until Your Temples are Pounding - great! > my favorite so far! but i keep hearing 'in a big > country, dreams stay with you...' Oh, well - you just sold glenn a copy ;) i could > > just put this on repeat all day! it's like a gang of > classically-trained punk-rock bagpipers broke into a > buddhist temple and had a big old party > with a few of the guys from Midnight Oil and someone > who knows maybe 3 chords on a fake electric guitar. Two albums and an EP (with Bedhead, sorta) on Jetset - I think all available on eMusic (BTW: I bought physical CDs of these things before I belonged to eMusic - so no one go and piss on me for putting eMusic tracks on mixes, 'kay?) New one supposedly coming end of September. Blatherings at my (late, unlamented, but still available) website. > 3. Polvo - Time Isn't On My Side - i could do without > this one. i hate to stop it before it's over, but 3 > MINUTES?!?!? NEXT! I"ll just have to make a lengthy loop of whatever annoys you most about this track (is it the rrwrrannng-rrwrranng-rrwwrangg guitar? The tinky synth?) and leave a message on you machine... > 6. Shudder to Think - X-French Tee Shirt - i'm a sucker > for this rhythmically repetitive style, and for odd > timing, so i'm sold. but i';d like to > take this opportunity to say that i really wish some of > these bands would name their songs things that have > somethign to do with the lyrics, rahter > than this seemingly irrelevant name-out-of-a-hat > method. this one even has a repetitive chorus - > something like 'hold back the road that goes...', > > but no relation to the title Whereas I find songs titled after their chorus or most obvious line sort of redundant - like, we knew that already, give us something else to think about. > 9. John Vanderlice - Time Travel is Lonely - i dunno - > musically, i like it, but when the singer goes into his > 'posturing voice' he annoys me. > > during the quieter breaks, his put-on (or real) accent > is kind of grating. in all, more good than bad. That's just the way he sings - always has (MK Ultra was his previous band). If you don't like it, though - well, he does have a handful of instrumentals on most his albums. I think it was Stewart who couldn't stand this guy and found him very derivative - I don't hear it, but hey, that's the glory of opinions. > 12. The Yachts - Yachting Types - more info, please. > kinda like it. funny, geeky early 80's sound. They were on Radar around the same time Elvis C. was - then jumped/were pushed (releasing an album called _Without Radar_). I have that one on a very ancient cassette (taped from a public library copy) and a few stray tracks. Don't really know much else about them. Someone here probably does, though. > 13. Zero Zero - True Zero - right up my alley. more > info, please. Dunno...your websearching will yield as much info as mine... Showed up in my review pile a year or two ago. > tracks 14 and 15 - surprise tracks - boy, were they > ever... including what i'll call 'Elvis and His > Prosthetic Limb Factory', for lack of a better, er, > worse, title. I think it's just called "Elvis" - it's the accompaniment to a flash animation somewhere on the web - I have this idea that I included the URL in the notes, but I don't seem to have saved it. I forget what the other bonus track was... > thank you, thank you... You're welcome, you're welcome. I just hope I didn't blind you with the cover... Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:54:34 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Two albums and an EP (with Bedhead, sorta) on Jetset - I think all available >on eMusic (BTW: I bought physical CDs of these things before I belonged to >eMusic - so no one go and piss on me for putting eMusic tracks on mixes, >'kay?) New one supposedly coming end of September. Blatherings at my (late, >unlamented, but still available) website. > > Be forewarned that doing an artist search on "Macha" on eMusic will yield nothing. The way I found around this is to type "Macha Loved Bedhead" into the album search, click up the album, they are listed as the artist, and click on that link in the title. That will give you links to all the albums. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:17:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] swap review (believe it or not) On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Much (all?) of their stuff is available on eMusic - successor band to > Moonshake, whose rough edges were sanded a bit smooth here (Then again, > if you couldn't stand Callahan's voice, like many people couldn't...). > They were doing both the trip-hop thing and the wicked fast percussion > beneath slow-moving groove thing before either was big - That claim struck me as suspicious, so I looked up release dates, and the first Laika album came out right around the same time as Maxinquaye and Timeless. So Laika really didn't invent trip-hop or jungle but I guess they were hip enough to have elements of those sounds in their music at the same time as each genre's big crossover hit was being recorded... a ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #239 *******************************