From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #238 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, August 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] On Topic Question [Matt Weber ] RE: [loud-fans] barsuking ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] barsuking ["Michael Zwirn" ] [loud-fans] linda perhacs (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] linda perhacs (ns) ["G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] On Topic Question At 1:14 AM -0400 8/13/03, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: >I was looking through a bunch of True Gamsters newsletters (Scott's old >fashioned fan club from the 80s), and found one about an early LF >song Michael Q >and Scott had written called The Come On. Whatever happened to this >song, since >it was never put on an album. >Thanks, >Andrea The Loud Family recorded it. It's on SLOUCHING TOWARD LIVERPOOL. Matt As some grave Tyrian trader, from the sea, Descried at sunrise an emerging prow Lifting the cool-hair'd creepers stealthily, The fringes of a southward-facing brow Among the Aegean isles; And saw the merry Grecian coaster come, Freighted with amber grapes, and Chian wine, Green bursting figs, and tunnies steep'd in brine; And knew the intruders on his ancient home, The young light-hearted Masters of the waves; And snatch'd his rudder, and shook out more sail, And day and night held on indignantly O'er the blue Midland waters with the gale. Betwixt the Syrtes and soft Sicily, To where the Atlantic raves Outside the Western Straits, and unbent sails There, where down cloudy cliffs, through sheets of foam, Shy traffickers, the dark Iberians come; And on the beach undid his corded bales. Matthew Arnold (1822-1888), The Scholar-Gipsy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:29:30 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Not to be confused with wood *ticks*, primary source of Lyme dise ase JeFFrey: >>Clinic. Cuz, like, scrubs, masks, medical clinic...geddit? (groan) There's a gimmick that backfired, at least for me. I heard them do a live radio set and really, really liked it (the presentation and between-song banter was like early Talking Heads on speed). Then *later* I heard about/saw the costumes and my interest waned severely. Still rate the music I heard as superior to a lot of more popular garage revival. Reminded me of the Modern Lovers or the Monks (who, come to think of it, wore stupid costumes, too, but those were different times). ___ Jer: >>Er, woodhick? Sorry. Hillbilly, sort of. A "hick" who lives in the "woods". Thus country or mountain music, generally the kind from the Eastern US (although in this case I was using it partially in reference to Gillian Welch). In my family we always used this term for ourselves because, I think, we weren't "rednecks" or "shitkickers". I've only recently realized this isn't a common term. I guess it's just what woodhicks call themselves. It may be specifically Appalachian. Miles? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] barsuking On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Jenny Grover wrote: > Was just checking out the Barsuk page. Anyone have The Long Winters > "When I Pretend To Fall" or the Jesse Sykes/Steve Turner split 7"? If > so, how are they? The LW mp3's sound pretty good, but I'm wondering > what the rest is like. Long Winters: I'd say there's a substantial gap between the best five or six songs on the album and the rest, but if you like the mp3s there are probably at least two more tracks on there you'd enjoy. And if you LOVE the mp3s, well, the rest of the album does basically sound like that, I just didn't find it all as memorable. As some of the reviews I've read pointed out, the LWs have a big debt to generic mid-90s alternative along the lines of the Gin Blossoms, but with that particular vein not being mined to death _right_now_ I don't find the Long Winters' worse songs annoying, just flat and familiar. I picked up the first Long Winters record too, and I know I had a good time when I listened to it, but not a single tune stuck in my head. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:54:28 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] barsuking > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:30 PM > To: Jenny Grover > Cc: loud-fans > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] barsuking > > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Jenny Grover wrote: > > > Was just checking out the Barsuk page. Anyone have The Long Winters > > "When I Pretend To Fall" or the Jesse Sykes/Steve Turner split 7"? If > > so, how are they? The LW mp3's sound pretty good, but I'm wondering > > what the rest is like. > > Long Winters: I'd say there's a substantial gap between the best five or > six songs on the album and the rest, but if you like the mp3s there are > probably at least two more tracks on there you'd enjoy. And if you LOVE > the mp3s, well, the rest of the album does basically sound like that, I > just didn't find it all as memorable. As some of the reviews I've read > pointed out, the LWs have a big debt to generic mid-90s alternative along > the lines of the Gin Blossoms, but with that particular vein not being > mined to death _right_now_ I don't find the Long Winters' worse songs > annoying, just flat and familiar. > > I picked up the first Long Winters record too, and I know I had a good > time when I listened to it, but not a single tune stuck in my head. > > a I saw them about a year and a half ago when they opened and for and also served as Ken Stringfellow's backing band. They did both jobs admirably. I thought LW sounded much better live than recorded for some reason. John Roderick has this really funny, slightly goofy stage persona that worked well. The recorded songs do have a little bit of a samey quality though with nothing that really grabs you. I also feel the same way about the Glands stuff who I sorta lump them together with. LT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:03:52 -0700 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] barsuking > I saw them about a year and a half ago when they opened and for and also > served as Ken Stringfellow's backing band. They did both jobs admirably. > I thought LW sounded much better live than recorded for some reason. Michael Mitton and I both agreed that they are very strong live, but I didn't think a hell of a lot of their first album. l.p. yesterday, Tori Amos, Scarlet's Walk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:40:20 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] linda perhacs (ns) Reviewed in pitchforkmedia today. Got an 8.6 too. Not bad. BTW, for Andrea and anyone else missing "Slouching Towards Liverpool." There are plenty of copies of this available at half.com in the $6.00 - $7.00 range, if you can't get a nice loud-fan to send you a free copy. Unfortunately, 125 Records doesn't seem to have it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linda perhacs (ns) > Reviewed in pitchforkmedia today. Got an 8.6 too. Not bad. To clarify, this is the second CD issue, mastered from quarter-inch tapes provided by the artist, not from vinyl, and featuring several bonus demos into the bargain. This is a record I encourage everyone to experience. Perhacs lacked the amazing vocal and lyrical suppleness of Joni Mitchell, clearly her main influence; but she compensated with elaborate stacks of multi-tracked harmonies and adorably weird distortion. Mr. Beta gets it mostly right I think: Now who's got Phil Minton's A DONUT IN BOTH HANDS? Wondering if a video for "Stacy's Mom" featuring Rachel Hunter would change Dana's mind (probably not), Andy Stair-Climbing Wheelchair Gets FDA's OK By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer WASHINGTON - Stairs are about to become less of an obstacle for some of the nation's 2 million wheelchair users. The Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) on Wednesday approved a wheelchair that literally can go up and down steps  as well as shift into four-wheel drive for grassy hills and elevate its occupant to standing height. Called the iBOT Mobility System, the wheelchair uses sensors and gyroscopes to navigate stairs while balancing on two wheels. Doctors have said the technology is potentially revolutionary. But it is so complex that the FDA decided the wheelchair will require a doctor's prescription and special training to drive. The iBOT costs $29,000, less than some top-of-the-line models for the severely impaired but far more than basic wheelchairs. The maker, Johnson & Johnson subsidiary Independence Technology, is negotiating with Medicare and other insurers but could not say Wednesday if payment to users was likely. Sales will begin by year's end, a J&J spokesman said. Wheelchairs have become increasingly sophisticated. Some raise a user a few inches to be able to reach high objects. More agile models specially are designed for zipping around basketball or tennis courts. In the early 1990s, the FDA approved one model solely for stair-climbing, but it never became popular because it did not provide more routine transport, said Robert DeLuca, the FDA scientist who led the iBOT evaluation. The iBOT, in contrast, is an all-purpose wheelchair that also climbs stairs, he said. "We think this is something that can really benefit patients," DeLuca said. "It offers many advantages to anything else we've ever seen." Most wheelchairs have two big back wheels and two smaller front wheels. The iBOT has four wheels the same size that rotate up and over one another to go up and down steps. It does require some user exertion, meaning the iBOT is not an option for all wheelchair users. People must have the use of at least one arm to operate the iBOT's joystick and other controls. Then they lean forward or backward, directing the chair to climb up or down as the gyroscopes sense and adjust to the person's center of gravity. Users must hold onto a stair rail to help guide the iBOT, although there is a feature that allows someone else to hold onto the chair's back and assist the more severely disabled on stairs. So far, it is not built for children or for people who weigh more than 250 pounds. Dean Kamen, the well-known inventor whose credits include the Segway scooter, created the iBOT and licensed it to Johnson & Johnson. He says he built it not just for the stair-climbing ability but the extra elevation, too  because wheelchair users had told him they longed to carry on eye-level conversations with people standing nearby, and reach top grocery shelves by themselves. To prove iBOT works, 18 wheelchair users test-drove it for two weeks. Scientists compared maneuverability in the iBOT versus users' regular wheelchairs in everyday situations and in special road tests. Twelve patients could navigate stairs alone with the iBOT, while the rest used an assistant. In regular wheelchairs, one patient could literally bump his way down stairs, but no one could go up a single step. Three people fell out of the iBOT and two fell out of their own wheelchairs during the study  none on stairs and none was seriously injured  suggesting the iBOT was as safe as today's technology, the FDA concluded. But the iBOT is complex enough that the wrong person using it could get hurt or injure bystanders. So, Independence Technology set up an FDA-approved program to strictly control sales. Doctors and rehabilitation therapists must be licensed to prescribe the iBOT. Then, they would administer tests to potential users to ensure they are physically capable of handling the machine and have the right judgment skills to discern obstacles, such as which hills are too steep to try climbing. If users fail the test, they cannot buy an iBOT. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #238 *******************************