From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #237 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, August 13 2003 Volume 03 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Swap review [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap review [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Lambchop and the art of being too good at being you ["Rex.Bro] [loud-fans] I'm just glad we're not calling them "bootlegs" anymore... ["] [loud-fans] Moral compasses ready? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] New Neutral? ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap review ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] On Topic Question [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] On Topic Question [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] On Topic Question [AWeiss4338@aol.com] [loud-fans] just dandy [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] barsuking [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap review On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > Why I Cry -- All Time Quarterback > > I love this sort of thing, although again it's best in small doses. A kind > of drony melody, whiny vocals, kind of homemade-feeling. Who are > they...or, I'm guessing, who is he? Solo project of Ben Gibbard from Death Cab For Cutie. And you're in luck - -- sadly, ATQ are only available in small doses (I think the album is half an hour long). "Why I Cry" is one of my least favorite tracks from that Magnetic Fields album, and I'm not sure why Gibbard covered it, but his own ATQ songs are similar. I think you can get one or two more tracks from barsuk.com if you're feeling very cautious. > Clean Out -- Mates of State > > Goes beyond minimal into downright skeletal, but not bad at all. Never > heard of 'em. They're a big favorite of mine, a married couple who perform on organ and drums while belting out abstract relationship lyrics. Most people seem to like their first album (My Solo Project) better than the second, though for me it's a toss-up. My favorite moment at the last Mates show I saw had nothing to do with the band -- they were playing in a small room at MassArt where kids occasionally put on shows, so the 'stage' was marked off with tape and lit from the ground. The leading edge of the crowd was pretty close to the performers, and at one point, a guy leaned in enough to make shadow puppets on the wall using the footlights. His little shadow duck sang along with the music flawlessly for a song or two. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:41:57 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap review Quoting Stewart Mason : > Last month, W. David Barnes sent me a fine swap disc modestly titled > "Loud > Fan Swap CD for July for Stewart." > Pleasant enough, but kind of faceless. > > Liar -- Ivory Library > > Ditto, I'm afraid. I'm surprised to find someone else putting this band (from Madison, Wisconsin - together from about the mid-eighties to mid-nineties) on a mix - and I looked: I hadn't put this song on a mix for David! So I was wondering, did David formerly live in Madison? Don't know...but then I remembered the band's former bass player moved to the Bay Area and worked at Amoeba...voila, I'm guessing. Derek, I think his name is. Anyway - this isn't a track I would have chosen, but at least I hope its craft and musicianship is apparent to Stewart. (I think I put another track by them, a cover of Nick Drake's "Black Dog," on a covers mix I made for Stewart a couple years back...) The rest of the album from which it's drawn, _Parasite_, is better, I think - although none of their recordings really capture their live sound, in particular the full dimension and power of Jeff Jagielo's guitar playing. However, since nearly everything they did was home recorded (at least the basic tracks), perhaps that's to be expected. > For the Wars -- Clinic > > I always get these guys mixed up with the Clientele. Which are the ones > who perform in scrubs and masks? Clinic. Cuz, like, scrubs, masks, medical clinic...geddit? (groan) I used to get the two bands confused - but that was before I heard their musics, which are totally different (the Clientele is all late afternoon twilight, gossamer reverb, etc., whereas Clinic is angular with strange keyboard and wind sounds, including sometimes a melodica (derived from postpunk use - see Gang of Four - in turn borrowed from dub). On a completely unrelated subject, you do all know that eMusic gets nasty if you download "too much"? (Odd, since they claim to allow "unlimited access" and "unlimited burning"...but they have one of those all-purpose "disturbing the peace" clauses in their user agreement that ultimately parses to "notwithstanding everything else we say, we can do whatever the hell we want if we want to": para. 7.1, for those of you playing our home game.) I got a threatening letter telling me to stop excessively downloading or they'd cancel my account. Hey, at least they warned me... I'd be fine if they said "up to a maximum of [say] 600 tracks per month" (~50 albums) - or less than that even - but they don't, so I'm a bit irked... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::you can't imagine how hard it is to mail-order fifty red Maglites ::when you're a duck with no numeric street address :: --glenn mcdonald np: Chris Von Sneidern _Big White Lies_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:20:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Lambchop and the art of being too good at being you Stewart: >>I don't know why I've never bought a Lambchop album, because I >>invariably find their songs utterly charming, and this is probably my >>favorite so far. I *do* know why I've never bought a Lambchop record, although it's a lame excuse. They were the backing band on Vic Chesnutt's "The Salesman and Bernadette", which I liked, but slightly less than most Vic albums, for the following reason: there's such a thing as *too good/too close a match* for collaborations (cf. the Mark Eitzel/Pete Buck record). When I've heard Lambchop by themselves, the vocalist has struck me as awfully Vic-like, and the songs much like those on "Salesman", and thus I almost feel like I'm hearing a Vic Chesnutt cover band duplicating one of his less-exciting periods. But I do like them when I'm able to focus on the songs and lyrics in particular. What's the consensus on their best record(s)? I should get over that whole thing. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:40:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] I'm just glad we're not calling them "bootlegs" anymore... http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2003/08/09/mashups_cruger/index.html http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2003/08/09/mashups_taylor/index.html Singing "La Bamba" over "Like A Rolling Stone" is still fun too. Andy "Only a truly diabolical mind could have made the best album of the 70's and Iggy apparently has it because he's summed everything up in nine songs." - --Dave Marsh on the Stooges' RAW POWER (original mix) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:20:47 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Moral compasses ready? So I just requested the L*z Pha*r album as part of my premium package for pledging to my local NPR station. Q: have I defrayed my guilt over supporting her crass commercialism by the fact that my money actually goes to public broadcasting? Got some other stuff too... this year I split the difference between the indie-rock and the woodhick stuff just about straight down the middle. It's a lot like life. - -Rex "a 5-string banjo, a vintage fuzzbox, and thou" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:16:27 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moral compasses ready? > this year I split the difference between the > indie-rock and the woodhick stuff just about > straight down the middle. Er, woodhick? Jer np: VALLEY GIRL soundtrack Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] New Neutral? It was recently mentioned here that ICE said there was new Neutral Milk Hotel coming on August 19th. I've been looking for this, but my source for new release lists (allmusic), and the apparent "official" website for NMH don't mention anything. (The website does say there is the possibility, at some future date, of the pre-Avery Island EPs being combined at some point.) Am I just missing it, or is ICE in error? But the early reviews for the new GbV look good. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:49:56 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Neutral? Michael Mitton on 8/12/2003 10:21:39 AM wrote: > It was recently mentioned here that ICE said there was new Neutral Milk > Hotel coming on August 19th. I've been looking for this, but my source > for new release lists (allmusic), and the apparent "official" website for > NMH don't mention anything. (The website does say there is the > possibility, at some future date, of the pre-Avery Island EPs being > combined at some point.) Am I just missing it, or is ICE in error? I don't know the answer to this, but it reminds me that the latest ICE also says that the Loud Family Live 2000 DVD is due out on Sept 16th. Good news, if true. I'm surprised I didn't hear about it from my inside sources... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap review >> Clean Out -- Mates of State >> >> Goes beyond minimal into downright skeletal, but not bad at all. >> Never heard of 'em. > > They're a big favorite of mine, a married couple who perform on organ > and drums while belting out abstract relationship lyrics. Most people > seem to like their first album (My Solo Project) better than the second, > though for me it's a toss-up. Just so you know the duo's third album, TEAM BOO, is due out next month. Now if they'd just hurry up with that Human Skab reissue... Andy "The Ig. Nobody does it better, nobody does it, period. When you're talking about the 0 mind, the very central eye of the universe that opens up like a huge, gaping, sucking maw, step aside for the Stooges." - --Lenny Kaye on the Stooges' RAW POWER (original mix) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:14:36 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] On Topic Question I was looking through a bunch of True Gamsters newsletters (Scott's old fashioned fan club from the 80s), and found one about an early LF song Michael Q and Scott had written called The Come On. Whatever happened to this song, since it was never put on an album. Thanks, Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:20:49 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] On Topic Question At 01:14 AM 8/13/2003 EDT, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: >I was looking through a bunch of True Gamsters newsletters (Scott's old >fashioned fan club from the 80s), and found one about an early LF song Michael Q >and Scott had written called The Come On. Whatever happened to this song, since >it was never put on an album. It's on SLOUCHING TOWARDS LIVERPOOL, the Loud Family EP that came out between P&B&R&T and TTOOL. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:37:42 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] On Topic Question In a message dated 8/13/2003 1:21:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, flamingo@theworld.com writes: > It's on SLOUCHING TOWARDS LIVERPOOL, the Loud Family EP that came out > between P&B&R&T and TTOOL. > > Thanks, and JRT too. The one LF album I lost moving many years ago. Rats. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:31:43 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] just dandy Anyone nab the Dandy Warhols "Welcome to the Monkey House" US release today? Is it any different from the import? I looked on amazon.com and the tracklist was the same, but no sound samples up to compare with. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:45:08 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] barsuking Was just checking out the Barsuk page. Anyone have The Long Winters "When I Pretend To Fall" or the Jesse Sykes/Steve Turner split 7"? If so, how are they? The LW mp3's sound pretty good, but I'm wondering what the rest is like. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #237 *******************************