From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #233 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, August 9 2003 Volume 03 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Look, Scott gets mentioned somewhere in here! ["Rex.Broome" <] Re: [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) [] Re: [loud-fans] Last American Virgin ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) [Dan Sallitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:45:55 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Look, Scott gets mentioned somewhere in here! Chris Prew: >>Since we did "where to start with the fall" already.....everybody needs >>to hear the residents at least once. Thank you to everyone who chimed in on that; it's one I've been meaning to ask about for some time. I used to think the Residents must be cooler in concept than execution, but more and more trustworthy sources have been looking at me incredulously for not having any of their albums. I forget who the artist being parodied was, but loved the Great Pop Things where somebody's wildness was quantified by the fact that she was dating "the Blue Eyeball out of the Residents". ____ >>...may I propose a ban on bands, albums, movies, etc. of the form >>[Verb]ing [Noun](s)? (Unless it's called "Verbing Nouns," of course) Can I have just one last one? "Fucking Gerunds"! Actually, that formation has been outlawed for a while, along with "-- Theory" (Scott being grandfathered, of course), "--- Youth", the use of "Thee" or "Tha" as the article before your band name, and goddamn well not capitalizing your band name and insisting that everyone who writes about you do the same. >>I can't think of one, so I'll invent one, based on an LA-based musician >>from West Virginia, called "Rex!": Oddly enough, the same digest which contained this quote also contained the name of someone else who matches that exact description: Ann Magnuson! ____ Steve: >>NEVER MIND THE BHANGRA, and two more that aren't on eMusic: STICKY BHANGRA (a Stonestribute) and BHANGRA BLOODY BHANGRA What, no "Get it On (Bhangra Ghong)"? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:46:16 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) "The Devil In Miss Jones" is probably the best of the Porn Chic wave, and is especially noteworthy for a really nice score by Alden Shuman. The Oglio label reissued it a few years back. "The Devil In Miss Jones 5" is also pretty fun, but the soundtrack's nothing special. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Last American Virgin > I haven't seen the DVD, but the original definitely did have Lionel > Ritchie, Journey and REO Speedwagon. What a weird combination...soul, > AOR and new wave. Considering that at the time "Open Arms" was probably > my most-hated song ever, I was rather revolted when it came on during a > pretty important scene. Apologies in advance for another rehashed story, but I first became aware of THE LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN when the newspapers in my town got Arctic tootsies about the print ad. First they obliterated the word "virgin," then then pasted a sticker reading "nice girls" over the word "virgin" (the main character in this film is male, I don't think I'm giving too much away there), and finally they smeared over all four words with a sticker reading "call theater for title." Around this time Siskel or Ebert named the film "Dog Of The Week" on what was still "Sneak Previews." I lacked the critical facilities to dispute the "masters" back then, so I laughed along with what seemed laughable excerpts. I still read and enjoy Ebert today, but I take no critic for God's own. (Hell, RITUALS, possibly the only film to make "Dog Of The Week" *twice*, is today one of my favorite horror films...wish I could find the uncut version...) I do not, alas, remember what finally convinced me to watch VIRGIN, but I was damned impressed, albeit partially from low expectations. The social and sexual encounters seemed unforced, realistically awkward and tense. Yes, the Commodores' "Oh No" comes on twice, but I find it a fine song and both of its usages pitch-perfect. The scene where (spoiler alert! spoiler alert!) our female progatonist loses her virginity, not to the male lead, gets me every time. As the song clicks off she gasps in release, surprise, and fear all at once. Ebert came down hard on the film, I recall, for using music rather than dialogue to create and display moods. Okay, but years later he turns around and gives four stars to the overrated GOODFELLAS, and I bet Siskel backed him up on that. Another appealing VIRGIN aspect (spoiler alert! spoiler alert): our hero loses the girl and drives homeward with a broken heart, mashed balls, and an empty wallet, as the credits roll. Was any other film of its ilk so boldy a downer at the finale? (Well, Michael Dinner's HEAVEN HELP US comes to mind.) Of course, drawing a distinction between "80's teen sex comedies" and "80's teen romance comedies" might be useful. Then again it might not. I'm very fond of William Paul's book LAUGHING SCREAMING, on such topics. Beck, of all people, is a big fan. "The actors," he said in part to an interviewer, "they look like kids you grew up with!" Wondering if Aaron finally found some LEMON POPSICLE tapes, Andy Any rock critic worth his or her rate per word will tell you Lester Bangs is one of those writers you're supposed to worship. Bangs rigged an encyclopedic knowledge of popular music to a manic personality--and large quantities of narcotics--and blurted out sprawling, conversational essays. He was known to the music world, among other things, as a massive music geek perilously close to self-destructing under the weight of his addictions as he teetered between moments of genius, madness, and, at times, self-important irrelevance. For all his greatness, Bangs--who wrote for publications like Creem, the Village Voice, and Rolling Stone from 1969 until his overdose/death in 1982--also slipped into being a dull, annoyingly verbose rock writer, and Mainlines, Blood Feasts, and Bad Taste (like his earlier reader, Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung) does little to dispel that fact. Getting through some of his more tedious tangents is a chore of monumental proportions, and editor John Morthland doesn't keep enough of Bangs' strokes of masturbatory nonsense out of this book, which can leave you wondering for a good first half of Mainlines why there needed to be another Bangs compilation in the first place. But if you're patient enough to skim through the long passages, there are moments where Bangs' obsessive passions and honest opinions clarify why he's become such an icon. (Take, for example, the following few lines from a chapter on metal: "Didn't the Velvets say it way back in 1970, just when heavy metal was peaking: 'Who Loves the Sun?' Damn right, i.e. nobody Jack, and that's why Black Sabbath.") His more concise essays on topics like Hells Angels, hating California, punk's illusive "origins," Lou Reed, and Captain Beefheart are reason enough to plop down the 15 bucks to make these mini tomes your own. Despite his occasional penchant for the overblown analysis, Bangs is one of the few "critically acclaimed critics" actually worth the title, mostly because when he's on, the mainlines he taps into brim with the fresh blood of new sonic discoveries, crazy creativity, and limitless possibilities for pushing forward both the art of writing and the art of appreciating music on your own terms. - --Jennifer Maerz, from http://www.thestranger.com/2003-08-07/books2.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:14:06 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] lp2cd? (ns) Has anyone ever used this service: It seems either like an elaborate rip off for stupid people, or a very reasonably priced service, depending on the quality of the results. Also, it's really annoying to read about laser turntables. They seem like they would have solved *so many* problems if they had ever become remotely reasonably priced. Again, I've never heard one so I don't really know how well they work, but I love the idea of a needle-less phonograph. Last time I saw one advertised, I think it was selling for $21,000. [Oh, just checked and it's down to $10,500 which is actually moving into the territory where I can seriously entertain fantasies of buying one. I wonder how they actually sound.] - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:46:43 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) >> You know, the only "classic" porn movie I've ever seen is "Debbie Does >> Dallas" which really stunk. I'd been planning on catching up on Deep >> Throat, Behind The Green Door, The Devil In Miss Jones and gosh, I'm >> so innocent I don't even know what the other ones would be... > I've seen all the ones you reference, and none of them are anything to > write home about (cinematically speaking). As far as 70s-era smut goes, > Radley Metzger's stuff was much better than the big-name porn flicks. I'll go along with that. (Metzger's nom de porn was Henry Paris.) THE OPENING OF MISTY BEETHOVEN is certainly the best hard-core porn that I've seen - it's actually a decent comedy. Metzger also did some good, softer films under his own name - SCORE is my favorite (also THERESE AND ISABELLE, which is more an art film than a sex film). DEEP THROAT is mainly of historical interest. BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR has the advantage of being fantasy-based, and so avoids getting bogged down in hydraulics - it's not bad, actually. Never saw MISS JONES, which has its defenders. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:29:13 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Look, Scott gets mentioned somewhere in here! Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > >>...may I propose a ban on bands, albums, movies, etc. of the form > >>[Verb]ing [Noun](s)? (Unless it's called "Verbing Nouns," of course) > > Can I have just one last one? "Fucking Gerunds"! Actually, that > formation > has been outlawed for a while, along with "-- Theory" (Scott being > grandfathered, of course), "--- Youth", the use of "Thee" or "Tha" as > the > article before your band name, and goddamn well not capitalizing your > band > name and insisting that everyone who writes about you do the same. Agreed on all - and with the general principle that originating bands be grandfathered. Talking Heads is fine - Throwing Muses (great a band as they can be) get iffy as far as the name goes. One of the problems is the ambiguity: does the name refer to muses that are throwing or muses being thrown? That wouldn't be a problem if either meaning made any sense! Most later bands named similarly get dumped because by then the pattern had become a cliche. All names that are actually funny get exempted from any rules. (Hey, Rex - nice stuff at that Rainland site: fits the band name, maybe a bit too smoothly produced for my needs, but good songs. Oh - wait, that was the other list with the URL...http://www.rainland.org/band.htm) Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:53:41 -0700 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] lp2cd? (ns) On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 07:14 PM, Dana Paoli wrote: > Has anyone ever used this service: > > > > It seems either like an elaborate rip off for stupid people, or a very > reasonably priced service, depending on the quality of the results. > It seems to work about to about $20 or $25 per hour, for professional audio service. I'd call that very reasonably priced. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #233 *******************************