From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #232 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 8 2003 Volume 03 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon [LeftyZ@aol.com] [loud-fans] Ted Leo mp3 (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Ted Leo mp3 (ns) [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Last American Virgin ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] D'ohh! and how it got there ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] D'ohh! and how it got there [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] marquee moon [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] That Other Scott Miller [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] another hundred rupees in the (opium) jukebox [Steve Holtebec] Re: [loud-fans] another hundred rupees in the (opium) jukebox ["Joseph M.] [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) [Dana] Re: [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Have we argued recently about DVDs people should see (or avoid)? No? Well, > what's stopping us? that EMI "Never Mind the Bollocks" sex pistols thing. looks like the sort of thrown-together sort of thing you should avoid at all costs -- i only watched it because it was basically free -- but, oh my. bill price is a god. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:28:25 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 11:58 PM, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > the TED BUNDY biopic (better than I expected, same > director as FREEWAY); MAY (enjoyably demented with lesbian intrigue to > taste); the GACY biopic (same production company as BUNDY and once > again a > pleasant surprise--I can't wait to see DAHMER); 1) I saw May over the weekend, which has been generating a lot of buzz lately, both positive and negative. Its basically a horror/thriller flick with a lot of emphasis on characterization and a really wonderful acting turn by the woman who plays May. This is one of those love it/hate it films, and I really enjoyed it (if "enjoyed" is the right word). 2) Whats the deal with the "Time/Life serial killer series" as Andrew mentioned above? I read some good things about Dahmer, and the last time in the video store they had "Dahmer", "Gacy", "Bundy" and I believe "Speck", all with similar cover design. Looks like they hit success with "Dahmer" and turned on the assembly line. Are they all produced by the same people? Or are a couple of these copycats? 3) Rented the Pianist and thought it was stunning. Big thumbs up, especially to Polanski. Pulling off the pacing successfully in the second half of the movie was a pretty neat trick. Chris np: Devo - New Traditionalists. I forgot how dark this record is. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:34:03 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon In a message dated 8/7/03 8:44:46 PM, jenor@uwm.edu writes: << Oh, I'm too stupid to figure out how to do that. Like, uh...in my mind I imagine having two OSs on one machine sorta like Rosey Grier and whoever the white guy was...I get confused immediately. >> Ray Milland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:52:28 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Ted Leo mp3 (ns) Catherine, of the blog "Catherine's Pita" seems to be the Gail O'Hara of the '00's, and since I miss chickfactor's glory days, I'm happy to have found a replacement. Today she links to a new (or so they say) Ted Leo track, in case anyone is interested: - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:09:00 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve I wasn't so crazy about MAY myself, although I can completely understand what others saw in it. I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from watching it but I'd first recommend renting such new-to-DVD titles as ABOUT SCHMIDT, SOLARIS, PAPER MOON (just released along with a bunch of Bogdanovich's 70's films, this is my favorite of his that I've seen), VALLEY GIRL and PUNCH-DRUNK LOVE (had a few problems with it, but Sandler is great). Oh, and the first season of SIX FEET UNDER, which I think has been out for a while but which has been taking up the majority of my DVD-watching time lately. And, currently in my rentadvd.com (the Canadian Netflix) queue, I have: URBANIA, XX/XY, ALL THE REAL GIRLS, THE LONG GOODBYE, TARGETS, PERSONAL VELOCITY, ROGER DODGER and THE LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN. Hope this helps. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:49:47 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve At 10:09 AM 8/8/2003 -0400, jer fairall wrote: >VELOCITY, ROGER DODGER and THE LAST AMERICAN >VIRGIN. ROGER DODGER: FIREFLY fans should look for Morena Baccarin in a small role. I think the role is actually called "Girl in Bar." LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN: Actually, I'd meant to post earlier when Rog invoked M*rk St*pl*s' name -- with all the '80s movies coming out on DVD this week (others include VALLEY GIRL, THE FLAMINGO KID, HOT DOG: THE MOVIE, and even more... but no PRIVATE SCHOOL?), I'm sure he's waxing nostalgic wherever he... urm, waxes these days. Didn't know that anyone besides Aaron Milenski and I would be interested in THE LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN, though. In fact, Melissa had never seen it, so we watched it last night. Aaron, do you remember if the songs on the DVD were the ones from the original soundtrack? It's been, oh, 18 years since I saw it, and I didn't remember it being so Lionel Richie-heavy (not to mention "Open Arms"), but it wasn't like I was keeping notes at the time. Louisa Moritz' ersatz Charo act remains ultra-yummy (did they teach those moves at Yale?), and shouldn't Gary have quit making moon-eyes at Karen and gone for the quirky, cute, and very interested Rose (Kimmy Robertson, later quasi-famous as TWIN PEAKS' Lucy)? Not sure that I thought the latter when I first saw the movie, but tastes change... '80s movies/videos: The funniest thing that Melissa's said recently, IMO (and she's been on a roll lately, so there were more candidates for this honor than I can recall), was when she saw the Pretty Poison video for "Catch Me Now I'm Falling," from the HIDING OUT soundtrack. The video uses lots of clips from the film. Jon Cryer was the star of HIDING OUT, and at the beginning of the film, before he transforms himself into a high school kid to (I'm telegraphing here) duck the mob, he's sporting a voluminous, dark, un-Cryer-like beard. Melissa immediately dubbed him "Duckico." FIVE EASY PIECES (hangin' on the wall?): Andy, FIVE EASY PIECES just now? Better late than never, and it's incredibly brilliant, a reminder of how good Jack Nicholson could be before he had to be *JACK NICHOLSON!* in every role. Strangely, my *mom* recommended FIVE EASY PIECES to me, back when we first got cable in the mid-'80s and TBS was showing it -- even though it wasn't to her tastes, I guess she knew that I'd flip over it. My mom has always been good at that sort of thing. are you ready for the Gleaming Spires?, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ted Leo mp3 (ns) On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Dana Paoli wrote: > Today she links to a new (or so they say) Ted Leo > track, in case anyone is interested: > > Funny, "Tell Balgeary" is way down my list of songs from that album, but it's "the second single". I wonder what the first one was. Still, I'm in favor of long EPs/singles/whatever. And the solo song posted at the URL above is pretty good; Leo certainly has the chops and the intensity to perform alone with an electric guitar, even if I think he's better with a band. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:04:45 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve > with all the '80s movies coming out on DVD > this week (others include VALLEY GIRL, THE > FLAMINGO KID, HOT DOG: THE MOVIE, and even > more... but no PRIVATE SCHOOL?) THE SURE THING, Rob Reiner's teen remake of IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT, is another one also out. I've always really liked VALLEY GIRL, which is still probably my favorite thing that I've ever seen Nicholas Cage in. Don't know THE FLAMINGO KID but anything named HOT DOG: THE MOVIE has to be worth seeing, so I've added it to my rental list. Is PRIVATE SCHOOL the Phoebe Cates/Matthew Modine one? If so and if memory serves, I don't think it's any big loss but I could, of course, be confusing it with PRIVATE LESSONS or MY TUTOR. Ah, the 80's. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:16:37 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve At 10:09 AM 8/8/2003 -0400, jer fairall wrote: >SOLARIS, As much as I normally like Soderbergh, the original trumps the remake in almost every way, even though the remake is, I think, far better than it was generally reviewed. >PAPER MOON (just released along with a >bunch of Bogdanovich's 70's films, this is my >favorite of his that I've seen), Oh, just wait until you make it to AT LONG LAST LOVE. The first time I encountered this movie, I was home sick with a fever and was flipping channels when I saw Burt Reynolds in '30s garb, warbling away! I was absolutely convinced that I had hallucinated the whole thing until I made it to a film guide that confirmed that such a thing was a bona-fide, in-this-dimension movie. Don't get me wrong, I love MOULIN ROUGE (warmed to it even more on DVD viewings, though I still hasten to add that it ain't as ground-breakingly stunningly original as its makers and its more fervid advocates claim), thought CHICAGO was O.K. (though Fosse brought the innovation, not director Marshall), and like certain musicals from the past (AN AMERICAN IN PARIS especially), so I'm not inherently opposed to the musical. But Burt and Cybill "Who the Hell Keeps Letting Her Sing? And Where the Hell Did She Get the Idea She Could Sing in the First Place?" Shepherd sink this movie like a stone, despite a game supporting cast consisting of Madeline Kahn, Eileen Brennan, and veteran second bananas like John Hillerman (yup, Higgins) and J. Edward McKinley (who must have played 1,237 characters on BEWITCHED alone). I laughed until I cried, but not for the reasons Bogdanovich intended. Actually, I don't think this one's out on DVD yet, so you may be waiting a while longer. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:11:48 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Last American Virgin >LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN: Aaron, do you remember if the songs on the DVD were >the ones from the >original soundtrack? It's been, oh, 18 years since I >saw it, and I didn't remember it being so Lionel >Richie-heavy (not to >mention "Open Arms"), but it wasn't like I was keeping notes at the time. I haven't seen the DVD, but the original definitely did have Lionel Ritchie, Journey and REO Speedwagon. What a weird combination...soul, AOR and new wave. Considering that at the time "Open Arms" was probably my most-hated song ever, I was rather revolted when it came on during a pretty important scene. Here's some trivia for y'all: LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN is a remake of the same director's Israeli movie LEMON POPSICLE (and in fact there are at least ten sequels, some of which have been released in dubbed versions on US video.) The original takes place in Israel in the early 60s (and has a fab 50s soundtrack!) 90% of it is almost exactly the same--they even have the same camera angles and identical-looking sets, not to mention actors who are dead ringers for the LAV crew! A few changes: the opening drug-related scene is new to LAV. LEMON POPSICLE has a scene where the guys try to sneak some girls into a movie theater. Otherwise, though, it's obvious they didn't want to mess with success. Strangely enough, though LAV was obviously an exploitation film, the original was taken seriously as a film about teenage love and actually was entered into many film festivals and nominted for awards. Think about that next time you watch the boner-measuring scene! Full of useless info, Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:26:01 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve At 11:04 AM 8/8/2003 -0400, jer fairall wrote: >THE SURE THING, Rob Reiner's teen remake of IT >HAPPENED ONE NIGHT, is another one also out. Yeah, I meant to mention that one, also part of the cavalcade of '80s DVDs from this week. If it wasn't for SPINAL TAP and THE SURE THING, I'd hate 100% of Rob Reiner's movies. >I've always really liked VALLEY GIRL, which is >still probably my favorite thing that I've ever >seen Nicholas Cage in. Oh, he deserved his Oscar not for what he won it for, but for H.I. McDonough in my favorite movie ever, RAISING ARIZONA. I liked Nic in VALLEY GIRL at the time, but had forgotten his name until my first date with Melissa, when we went to see PEGGY SUE GOT MARRIED and he almost singlehandedly redeemed the whole thing. >Don't know THE FLAMINGO >KID Wow, time flies. I would have picked it as Matt Dillon's best-known role. >but anything named HOT DOG: THE MOVIE has >to be worth seeing, so I've added it to my >rental list. You may live to regret that statement after you actually see it. >Is PRIVATE SCHOOL the Phoebe Cates/Matthew >Modine one? If so and if memory serves, I >don't think it's any big loss It's not, aside from the considerable portions of Betsy Russell that you get to see (no Phoebe pool scene here, folks). >but I could, of >course, be confusing it with PRIVATE LESSONS or >MY TUTOR. Ah, the 80's. Very different films than PRIVATE SCHOOL, those two. I take it that you've seen all these films over the last ten years, unless you were even more precocious as a child (and raised by either very liberal or wholly inattentive parents!) than I'm giving you credit for being. ;-) O.K., which one of these "teenage romp" '80s pics has the "climb the mountains," um, "romp" scene? I had thought it was in THE LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN, but turns out I was wrong. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:04:54 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve I said: >O.K., which one of these "teenage romp" '80s pics has the "climb the >mountains," um, "romp" scene? I had thought it was in THE LAST AMERICAN >VIRGIN, but turns out I was wrong. I had this all screwed up (no pun intended) - the scene's in MY TUTOR, which I just found on the 15th of 16 Google pages I got for "climb the mountain" + breasts. It was Russ Meyer star/squeeze Kitten Natividad (neither Meyer nor Natividad would have rung any bells for me at the time) whose "mountains" were being climbed: This page takes a creepy turn at the end. After reading it, I feel like I need to take a shower, ugh. This guy's site could be fertile ground for Andy H. sigs, though. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:39:24 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve In a message dated 8/8/03 8:00:53 AM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: << This page takes a creepy turn at the end. After reading it, I feel like I need to take a shower, ugh. This guy's site could be fertile ground for Andy H. sigs, though. >> In his defense, Luke was a notable crusader against the porn industry's hypocrisy and general sleaze. Then he gave up on porn a few years ago, sold the domain, and now has a site dedicated to mainstream film producers (and Judaism and his love life) at LukeFord.net. He's still kind of addled, though. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:52:50 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] D'ohh! and how it got there Russell: >>Lounge Against the Machine, by Richard Cheese I've heard a bunch of it on local radio. Funny as a thing to pass the time. I recall a samba-ish "Rape Me" as a highlight. The highest of the high concept was "Rockefeller Skank" which was about 3 minutes of lethargic, overblown instrumental hotel-lobby piano followed by a slowly crooned "Right about nooowwww, the funk soul brother... check it out noowwww... the funk soul brother", and that was it. ____ JeFFrey: >>"d'oh!!",* >>* Okay, Deities of Punctuation, how the hell is one supposed to >>punctuate this? If memory serves, the screenwriters for The Simpsons themselves write the expression in the screenplays as "(annoyed grunt)". This is even reflected in some episode titles (just verified here in my tape inventory at work... the inter-whut?), such as "E-I-E-I-Annoyed Grunt" and one alternately titled "Supercalifragilistic ExpialaD'OHHcious" or "Supercalifragilistic Expiala-Annoyed Grunt-cious". So there's your dodge. >>Say what? Who compared Pavement to Nirvana? I do remember it happening, not so much in the press as amongst my friends who first heard Pavement live on some show which featured Mudhoney, Sonic Youth, and an unannounced solo Cobain set. I think that it depends on whether you viewed Nirvana as "first of the huge alternative bands" or "part of the continuum of indie bands"... if band-association leads you from Nirvana to Pearl Jam, you've probably never heard of Pavement. But if Nirvana --> Pixies, then Pavement probably follows Nirvana by virtue of being the next universally creamed-over indie band. (Although I'm unclear on who came next... GBV?) Nirvana is one of those bands, like the Beatles, which now exists in both mainstream consciousness and deep, deep music nerdery, and in those two contexts they're viewed so differently that, to hear them discussed, you'd think they were two entirely different bands. Anyone here own one of those t-shirts you can buy on the boardwalk with collages of Hendrix, Morrison, Marley and Cobain's faces? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:56:32 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] residents (ns) (Before I start, can we take it as a given that eMusic is bizarre, and that any comments about hard-to-find links may or may not be accurate. I just don't have time to check all the possible permutations every time.) Anyway, eMusic seems to have some sort of a hard-to-find Residents fiesta going on. I found this out when I scrolled to the bottom of their "Soundtracks and Other" section, whose link is hopefully: In addition to a whole bunch of their albums (including the famous early ones -- you can find the albums with the regular search) they've got links to videos and to some unreleased stuff. I'm just barely familiar with the band, so I can't judge how exciting this is. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:18:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] D'ohh! and how it got there On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > JeFFrey: > >>"d'oh!!",* > >>* Okay, Deities of Punctuation, how the hell is one supposed to > >>punctuate this? > > If memory serves, the screenwriters for The Simpsons themselves write the > expression in the screenplays as "(annoyed grunt)". This is even reflected > in some episode titles (just verified here in my tape inventory at work... > the inter-whut?), such as "E-I-E-I-Annoyed Grunt" and one alternately titled > "Supercalifragilistic ExpialaD'OHHcious" or "Supercalifragilistic > Expiala-Annoyed Grunt-cious". So there's your dodge. Well, uh, yeah, but... Okay, substitute for "annoyed grunt" the title of one of those character-eponym-plus-exclamation-mark musicals - I can't think of one, so I'll invent one, based on an LA-based musician from West Virginia, called "Rex!": The three musicals I like best, in order, are "Rex!", "Oklahoma," and "Cannibal! The Musical." (Anyone who points out that msuical titles are properly italicized will be hunted down and shot.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them:: __TV's Frank__ np: Holger Czukay -Good Morning Story_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:20:27 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 11:56 AM, Dana Paoli wrote: > > > In addition to a whole bunch of their albums (including the famous > early ones -- you can find the albums with the regular search) they've > got links to videos and to some unreleased stuff. I'm just barely > familiar with the band, so I can't judge how exciting this is. This is an old link from when the Residents signed up on Emusic...what about a year ago? A bit disappointing....their rare residents singles collection has only yielded 3 cuts. Since we did "where to start with the fall" already.....everybody needs to hear the residents at least once. For the uninitiated: Duck Stab/Buster & Glen (new wave weird, but reasonably accessible, and a couple classic cuts) Commercial Album (40 one minute schizoid pop jingles, with an amazingly good hit to miss ratio and some neat guest appearances) I'm more partial to their long form stuff: Mark of the Mole (great 'story', relatively easy to follow. listening to this is almost like watching a movie). Not Available ( a really twisted, unraveling, incomprehensible masterpiece) Their newer (post 1990) stuff sounds like they are pretty much bashing it out by rote now, but they have their moments. "Wormwood" really felt like a pop album in places, which isn't to say its a failure. Just weird to hear the verse/chorus song structure. Residents fans: It seems to me that for the last several years, the residents are really down to just one guy. Thoughts? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:57:40 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] marquee moon Small but amusing (to me) note: the marquee at the small two-screen theatre on Franklin St. in Chapel Hill runs its titles side by side instead of across, so the night Ms. Carino and Mr. Wechsler played there, the marquee read like this: Winged Whale Migration Rider I thought it was funny, anyway -- sounded like an anime film to me! Of course, marquee-reading isn't nearly as fun since SNATCH left the theatres. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:32:15 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) At 12:20 PM 8/8/2003 -0500, Chris Prew wrote: >Their newer (post 1990) stuff sounds like they are pretty much bashing >it out by rote now, but they have their moments. For the most part, I'd agree with that, but last year's DEMONS DANCE ALONE was truly phenomenal, the first thing they've done in two decades that ranks alongside ESKIMO and THE COMMERCIAL ALBUM. >Residents fans: It seems to me that for the last several years, the >residents are really down to just one guy. Thoughts? The creative nucleus of the Residents has always been Hardy Fox and Homer Flynn, and as far as I know, both of them are still involved with the records. However, Homer (or is it Hardy? I forget) has always been primarily focused on the visual side of the band, so you could make an argument that there's only been one Resident, musicially speaking, all along. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:11:28 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve > I take it that you've seen all these films > over the last ten years, unless you were even > more precocious as a child (and raised by > either very liberal or wholly inattentive > parents!) than I'm giving you credit for > being. ;-) More like over the past fifteen years, as by the late 80's/early 90's, these films were cable TV staples. My parents were kinda weird about what the censored: NATIONAL LAMPOON'S VACATION and POLTERGEIST (PG-13 rated, I know, but scary as hell at the time!) were ok; RISKY BUSINESS and any R rated horror were not. Of course, I watched a lot without permission, too. MY TUTOR often still airs on late-night TV here and it was probably one of the better ones after all. It was actually kinda funny and, unlike so many of those other PORKYS clones, not amateurishly made. I'm keeping HOT DOG: THE MOVIE in my rental queue, but it's the lowest-ranked in priority order. Really looking forward to finally seeing THE LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN, though. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:12:46 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 12:20 PM 8/8/2003 -0500, Chris Prew wrote: >> Their newer (post 1990) stuff sounds like they are pretty much bashing >> it out by rote now, but they have their moments. > > For the most part, I'd agree with that, but last year's DEMONS DANCE > ALONE > was truly phenomenal, the first thing they've done in two decades that > ranks alongside ESKIMO and THE COMMERCIAL ALBUM. I was going to mention that Demons was a pretty good recent bet for an Emusic download, but I haven't given it enough spins to truly rave about it. I may have to. Even with only a couple listens, I can agree its the best thing they've done in a while. Although the Icky Flix soundtrack, come to think of it, was surprisingly good too considering that much of it was recycled. > >> Residents fans: It seems to me that for the last several years, the >> residents are really down to just one guy. Thoughts? > > The creative nucleus of the Residents has always been Hardy Fox and > Homer > Flynn, and as far as I know, both of them are still involved with the > records. However, Homer (or is it Hardy? I forget) has always been > primarily focused on the visual side of the band, so you could make an > argument that there's only been one Resident, musicially speaking, all > along. > Well, whoever is in charge of the visuals deserves a laurel and..... Ouch Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:20:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) > Anyway, eMusic seems to have some sort of a hard-to-find Residents > fiesta going on. I found this out when I scrolled to the bottom of > their "Soundtracks and Other" section, whose link is hopefully: > Nope - but that link *does* bring you to a link to the Residents thing, which is . Dana's link also allows you to check out the joy and wonder that is Rush's Alex Lifeson's soundtrack to Gene Roddenberry's _Andromeda_! As for Residents recommendations: the run from _Fingerprince_, _Duck Stab/Buster & Glen_, _The Commercial Album_, _Mark of the Mole_, and _Intermission_ is probably their peak. (_The Residents' Third Reich'n'Roll_, not available at eMusic, is a great mashup of Residentialized '60s top forty songs - also highly recommended.) _Eskimo_'s in there, too - but it's sort of ambient faux-anthropology and a bit more of an acquired taste. The earlier stuff (_Meet the Residents_ and _Not Available_) is considerably cruder technically, although if you like what you hear on DS/B&G and _Fingerprince_, you'll probably like it anyway. After _Mark of the Mole_, they fell completely in love with synths - and although they made some mighty strange sounds with them, I always felt something clattery and trashy and essential was missing from their sound thereafter. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ np: Electric Companyn _Studio City_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:00:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] That Other Scott Miller Miles of Music (no relation, and they won't even give me a discount!) has a nice package deal pairing your choice of the two V-Roys studio albums with their excellent live album: >********************************************************** >BACK IN STOCK ** SCOTT MILLER ALERT! Specials on package deals! >Buy "All About Town" for regular price and get "Are You Through Yet?" for half off of the regular price! >CD $19.48 >INFO > > >Buy "Just Add Ice" at regular price and get "Are You Through Yet?" for half off! >CD $19.48 >INFO > I recommend combo #2, because it gives you their best studio album plus the live versions of ALL ABOUT TOWN material on ARE YOU THROUGH YET?, i.e., ALL ABOUT TOWN songs the way the band, rather than Earle/Kennedy, wanted you to hear them. The Artemis/E-Squared release of ARE YOU THROUGH YET? (as opposed to the one the band did themselves in late '99/early 2000) has a mistitled whatever-you-call-the-sticker-on-the-top-of-the-jewel-case: ARE YOU THERE YET? Again, maybe something that amuses only me... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:05:24 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) Just a quick note that many Residents fans will probably enjoy Sparks' "Lil' Beethoven"...although the Mael Brothers aren't very familiar with The Residents. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:20:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] apropos of nothing at all... ...may I propose a ban on bands, albums, movies, etc. of the form [Verb]ing [Noun](s)? (Unless it's called "Verbing Nouns," of course) I'm not sure what the appeal of that formation is...but yeesh, it's everywhere, chasing Amy, smashing pumpkins, and flogging Molly. Fucking hell. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ np: v/a _Lonely Is an Eyesore_ 4.A.D. comp) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:25:22 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] apropos of nothing at all... So long, Throwing Muses! So long, Talking Heads! > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:20:40 -0500 (CDT) > To: such a stem > Subject: [loud-fans] apropos of nothing at all... > > ...may I propose a ban on bands, albums, movies, etc. of the form > [Verb]ing [Noun](s)? (Unless it's called "Verbing Nouns," of course) I'm > not sure what the appeal of that formation is...but yeesh, it's > everywhere, chasing Amy, smashing pumpkins, and flogging Molly. > > Fucking hell. > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: > __Robert Desnos__ > > np: v/a _Lonely Is an Eyesore_ 4.A.D. comp) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:34:42 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] apropos of nothing at all... At 03:20 PM 8/8/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >...may I propose a ban on bands, albums, movies, etc. of the form >[Verb]ing [Noun](s)? (Unless it's called "Verbing Nouns," of course) I'm >not sure what the appeal of that formation is...but yeesh, it's >everywhere, chasing Amy, smashing pumpkins, and flogging Molly. Does Killing Joke get grandfathered in? Plus "Killing" is an adjective in their case. BTW, I just picked up their new one (which has Dave Grohl on drums joining the start(l)ing lineup of Jaz/Geordie/Youth/Raven), and it's at least loud and hard -- whether it's up to PANDAEMONIUM standards will require a couple of more listens. Graeme Rowland on idealcopy is more out of his mind than I think he is already if he thinks it trumps Wire's SEND, though. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:29:42 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] apropos of nothing at all... Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> ...may I propose a ban on bands, albums, movies, etc. of the form >> [Verb]ing [Noun](s)? (Unless it's called "Verbing Nouns," of course) I'm >> not sure what the appeal of that formation is...but yeesh, it's >> everywhere, chasing Amy, smashing pumpkins, and flogging Molly. >> >> Fucking hell. That's a fucking smashing idea. What about ambiguities? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] residents (ns) On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Chris Prew wrote: > Residents fans: It seems to me that for the last several years, the > residents are really down to just one guy. Thoughts? i'm far from an expert, but the (stunning!) show i saw on the wormwood tour didn't leave me that impression. hey, speaking of which, at that show they played a song that was not on wormwood (nor on roadworms) ... it was sung by the female singer, and it was about a penis. the chorus was something like "he waved his dick at everyone" (it's been a few years, let me reach deep into the grey matter... "when david displays his dick." was that ever released anywhere? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:55:27 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] another hundred rupees in the (opium) jukebox Speaking of wacky and weird things available on eMusic, has anyone else downloaded the two Opium Jukebox albums? Their specialty (gimmick?) is trippy bhangra-style Bollywood covers of punk and alternative faves. They have two albums on eMusic: MUSIC TO DOWNLOAD PORNOGRAPHY BY (which is a *great* title, and has sitarized Punjabi versions of Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit", NIN's "Head Like a Hole", Jane's Addiction's "Been Caught Stealing", etc. etc) and NEVER MIND THE BHANGRA (the entire NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS album with Sid's solo "My Way" as a bonus track), and two more that aren't on eMusic: STICKY BHANGRA (a Stones tribute) and BHANGRA BLOODY BHANGRA (a Black Sabbath tribute -- is there some universal irony to covering Black Sabbath? Everyone covers Sabbath!). Anyway, I think these albums are cool and trippy and well worth downloading and spinning once or twice. I'm on my third spin and haven't grown sick of it yet, but I am getting frustrated trying to fit the words "music to download pornography by" into the melody of "Music To Watch Girls By" (bam bam bam bam bam bam -- too many syllables!) - -Steve (thrilled to see my name in a loud-fans movie thread!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another hundred rupees in the (opium) jukebox On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > tribute) and BHANGRA BLOODY BHANGRA (a Black Sabbath tribute -- is there > some universal irony to covering Black Sabbath? Everyone covers > Sabbath!). Yes, viz. DIARY OF A LOUNGEMAN from Bud E. Luv, louge covers of Sabs & Ozzy songs. They've gone from reviled to underground influence to mainsteram acceptance & veneration to party joke. They still rock hard, though. Don't believe me? Try "Into The Void" on for size. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:55:23 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) From the new Mojo: "Charlotte Caffey and her writing partner Anna Waronker have written "a contemporary rock opera" based on the life and works of Linda Lovelace, star of Deep Throat. Lovelace: The Musical is currently playing at The Key Club on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, and features performances from Family Ties actress Tina Yothers and Ann Magnuson from Bongwater." You know, the only "classic" porn movie I've ever seen is "Debbie Does Dallas" which really stunk. I'd been planning on catching up on Deep Throat, Behind The Green Door, The Devil In Miss Jones and gosh, I'm so innocent I don't even know what the other ones would be...anyway, the one's that get pop-referenced all the time -- I'm sure there are a few more. But now it seems sort of politically incorrect to watch Deep Throat, which kind of ruins the whole thing. Sigh. I'm really trying, but I can't seem to get around the fact that the new Ween album is ultimately...boring. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:02:11 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Writing Waronkers, Watering Bongs, Deeping Throats (ns) At 10:55 PM 8/8/2003 +0000, Dana Paoli wrote: > >From the new Mojo: > >"Charlotte Caffey and her writing partner Anna Waronker have written "a >contemporary rock opera" based on the life and works of Linda Lovelace, >star of Deep Throat. Lovelace: The Musical is currently playing at The >Key Club on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, and features performances from >Family Ties actress Tina Yothers and Ann Magnuson from Bongwater." > >You know, the only "classic" porn movie I've ever seen is "Debbie Does >Dallas" which really stunk. I'd been planning on catching up on Deep >Throat, Behind The Green Door, The Devil In Miss Jones and gosh, I'm so >innocent I don't even know what the other ones would be...anyway, the >one's that get pop-referenced all the time -- I'm sure there are a few >more. But now it seems sort of politically incorrect to watch Deep >Throat, which kind of ruins the whole thing. Sigh. > >I'm really trying, but I can't seem to get around the fact that the new >Ween album is ultimately...boring. > I've seen all the ones you reference, and none of them are anything to write home about (cinematically speaking). As far as 70s-era smut goes, Radley Metzger's stuff was much better than the big-name porn flicks. If you're curious about DEEP THROAT et al., then by all means watch away, but know that at any point you can stop watching and you won't have missed anything important. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley My soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Psalms_ 63:1 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #232 *******************************