From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #231 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 8 2003 Volume 03 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] But I do have the Fall's third album! ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: [loud-fans] Worst Album Cover ["Keegstra, Russell " ] Re: [loud-fans] Domain Names [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Butterfly Child [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] sorry, Steve [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene (ns) [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] (ns) [Janet Ingraham Dwyer ] [loud-fans] More UVS (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] (ns) [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:05:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] But I do have the Fall's third album! The Fall for Non-Fall fans: 458489A is prolly the obvious starting point. As for albums proper, I might recommend the somewhat atypical Frenz Experiment... it's got an acoustic tune, a Kinks cover, a poppy-dancy semi-hit, and the story-songs are a little more "scrutable" than average. But you should probably go straight from there to Hex Enduction Hour if you're inclined to continue. Do not, I repeat, do NOT risk any of the "unofficial" albums, live or otherwise. You may have to dig deep into the bin to find a "real" Fall album the way things are going these days, but stay the course. Print up a discography to take with you if you must. Another thing you can do is pick the record with the cover version of the song you like the most, and consider it "lucky dip". ____ Dana: >>On the more accesible side, I hope that everyone who doesn't know >>Ultra Vivid Scene (probably not many on this list) has downloaded their >>two albums from eMusic. I prefer Rev over Joy, but many go the other way. I actually like yet a third one, which is actually the first one, self-titled, best. It's far rougher, and has my favorite UVS tune by far, "Mercy Seat" (nb. not the contemporaneous Nick Cave tune). I've never heard Rev m'self. _____ Aaron: >>There's this compilation on eMusic called Urbs In Horto with a great >>track by Butterfly Child. Didn't think anyone else had ever heard of those guys (although it's a natural segue from UVS to me). I have a couple of their records and rather enjoy them on a sonic/melodic level. Can't make heads or tails of the lyrics but I have an awful suspicion that that's a good thing as they're supposed to be "deep" ("The Honeymoon Suite" is apparently just that, a concept album about the guy's honeymoon, although thankfully you can't prove it by me). I like the first one, Onomotapeia (which sounds more like a solo project than a band record, slightly better, and for the second time in this post I've never heard the third album. - -Rex "okay, somebody mention Eggplant now" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:03:20 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] But I do have the Fall's third album! At 02:05 PM 8/7/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >-Rex "okay, somebody mention Eggplant now" Broome Which one, the indie-girl trio from the UK (I've always really loved their song "Big Red Rock Eater," from the GIRL WANTS A DINOSAUR 7"), or the ones from California who I never particularly rated? S NP: THE OWL AND THE TREE -- Mother Gong with Daevid Allen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] this week's TWAS... > I just re-tweaked one particular paragraph to not reveal one particular > detail. I think the thing is now no more dangerous than you'd expect a > newspaper book review to be. And anyway, if I've had time to finish the > book by now, I figure everybody else should have... Heck, my mom read it the other weekend when she borrowed it from my dad for a train trip. Then again, my dad's retired. I haven't much Potter, but thanks again to Doug and anyone else who recommended the HIS DARK MATERIALS trilogy by Phillip Pullman. Amazing stuff I encourage all to read. Time for another kid's books discussion? Andy Tobacco Firm Tries to Lure Celeb Smokers Thu Aug 7, 8:15 AM ET Add Health - AP to My Yahoo! By ANDREW BRIDGES, AP Science Writer LOS ANGELES - A tobacco company is offering a free lifetime supply of cigarettes to celebrity smokers as part of a guerrilla marketing campaign to raise the public profile of its recently launched brand. In a tersely worded pitch, Freedom Tobacco International Inc. said it was seeking to "seed" its cigarettes with adult celebrities. The appeal was made Tuesday to publicists through a Web-based network subscribed to by hundreds of public relations agencies. "To be honest, celebrities make or break your brands. If you look at who drinks what or that sort of thing, celebrity endorsements have always meant a lot," said Patrick Carroll, founder and chief executive of the New York-based company. But the marketing ploy quickly drew fire from anti-smoking activists. "Blatant tobacco industry marketing tactics like this one are very disturbing, yet they aren't very surprising to us," said Gwendolyn Young, a board member of the American Lung Association of California. "What it really shows is the tobacco industry is continuing to use these deceptive strategies to lure people of all ages into a deadly addiction." Freedom launched its first line of cigarettes in March. Called Legal (pronounced "lay-GAHL"), sales of the Colombian-made cigarettes have totaled about $500,000. Freedom paid covert actresses, called "leaners," to smoke the cigarettes in Manhattan bars and nightclubs for several weeks this spring in a New York effort to promote the fledgling brand, company spokeswoman Nancy Tamosaitis said. As of Wednesday, no celebrities, other than a group of clothing designers, had accepted Freedom's offer, Carroll said. He stressed the company was not seeking celebrities who appealed to children. "We're not looking for Barney to be our celebrity and start smoking," Carroll said. The company is also behind the Right to Smoke Coalition, a group organized to fight bans against public smoking, like the one recently enacted in New York City. Its most recent marketing tactic harkens back to the days when celebrities regularly endorsed cigarettes. Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) and Lucille Ball, for example, both appeared in advertisements for Chesterfield in the late 1940s. Actor Esai Morales, who plays Lt. Tony Rodriguez on ABC's "NYPD Blue (news - - Y! TV)," said Freedom is putting "the greater greed before the greater good." "This is using our God-given talent and kind of trading on it for a corporate interest. The fact that they are willing to supply someone for life is kind of scary. It's addictive. It may be legal, but it's immoral," said Morales, who made a 2001 anti-smoking ad for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites). "I don't pretend to be a saint, but I know a sin when I see it. Is there anything companies won't do?" Carroll said the company does not intend to run advertisements featuring any celebrities who might take the company up on its offer. Instead, they might be asked to appear at company-sponsored events for adult smokers, he added. Dr. James Sargent, a Dartmouth Medical School pediatrician who studies the effects of on-screen smoking on youth, said a celebrity who smokes a particular brand can be a powerful marketing tool. "If I put myself in the place of an executive, I would be doing this because this is probably the most powerful way to launch a brand. If he can get several major figures to use the brand, and especially use it in a movie or two, that is the best advertisement he can buy," said Sargent, who believes such endorsements should be outlawed. The celebrity campaign could backfire for Freedom, said Paul Bloom, a professor of marketing at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill's Kenan-Flagler Business School. "My reaction is that it is completely contrary to how all the other members of the industry are behaving right now," Bloom said. Celebrities who smoke have attracted public criticism in recent years. Whoopi Goldberg, who plays a smoker on her forthcoming sitcom, "Whoopi," is among the latest. Dartmouth's Sargent offered a dim view of celebrities who might respond to the appeal. "Any star that makes literally millions of dollars in movies that would be willing to endorse a cigarette for a lifetime supply has to be either corrupt or stupid," he said. "Why do that? Why be responsible for even one child taking up smoking?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:21:22 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Album Cover Micah Bedwell wrote: > Over on the Miles Davis list a thread titled "The Worst Album Cover" is in >full roar. This has to be funniest one so far: >http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/M/dean_martin.html > What is that on his collar that looks like pink vomit? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:31:02 -0700 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Worst Album Cover Cow udders? Time to go home. Micah - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jenny Grover Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:21 PM Cc: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Album Cover Micah Bedwell wrote: > Over on the Miles Davis list a thread titled "The Worst Album Cover" is in >full roar. This has to be funniest one so far: >http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/M/dean_martin.html > What is that on his collar that looks like pink vomit? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:45:34 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Worst Album Cover Mr. Hamlin: >Everyone from Led Zeppelin to Jandek has one, so why not the Shaggs? This sent me on a nothing-better-to-do trip careening around the 'net until I ran across the funniest album title: Lounge Against the Machine, by Richard Cheese I can't imagine that it would appeal to me in practice, but the concept is funny enough - lounge reinterpretations of pop/metal/grunge tunes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:51:04 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] fall (ns) On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Dana Paoli wrote: > On the more accesible side, I hope that everyone who doesn't know > Ultra Vivid Scene (probably not many on this list) has downloaded > their two albums from eMusic. I prefer Rev over Joy, but many go the > other way. I give the nod to "Joy" thanks to the incredible run of tracks that starts the disc, plus my all-time favorite UVS track, "Lightning", which closes the album. Great guitar work throughout, in any event. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:57:47 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Domain Names Quoting John Swartzentruber : > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:03:01 -0400 (EDT), dmw wrote: > > >Honestly, the lowest impact option would be to get another domain name. > > I think the porn sites usually dump these domains after a year or so. > How long do they have it registered for? Do you think it is because > they liked the name... See, *there's* Michael's problem, naming a film review site "Cock Guzzling Latina Slutz"... ..Jeff, testing people's filters J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:20:53 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Butterfly Child I've heard only _Soft Explosives_, which I seem to recall was recommended to me (or even gifted to me, now that I think of it!) by ex-lister Paula Carino (whose own music, under her own name or that of her former band Regular Einstein, is also highly recommended...). I don't listen to it that often but, just like once in a great while the ethereal sweetness overdose of cotton candy is nirvana, same with this (although there is more there than sweetness). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ np: Elvis Costello & the Imposters _Cruel Smile_ - glad I paid only a few bucks for this. It's better than I'd been led to believe...but really, it's the sort of thing that should be either clearly labeled as to what it is (outtakes, live tracks, remixes - I said *clearly* labeled, not gray print on black bg on the back cover...) or given away as a bonus disc or online... If I'd paid full price for it under the impression it was a proper EC CD, I'd've been irked. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:38:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve Have we argued recently about DVDs people should see (or avoid)? No? Well, what's stopping us? ..Jeff (last DVD viewed: _One Hour Photo_, better than I thought it'd be, particularly Williams' performance) J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:38:40 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene (ns) I actually like yet a third one, which is actually the first one, self-titled, best. It's far rougher, and has my favorite UVS tune by far, "Mercy Seat" (nb. not the contemporaneous Nick Cave tune). I've never heard Rev m'self. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rev is actually one of my favorite albums of all time, though I always forget about it when it comes time for top 20's. It's looser than the other UVS stuff, and pushes the psych aspect of the band farther. Be aware that there's a deluxe version of "Rev" that comes with a bonus disc (if you're one of those weirdos who still buy CDs). I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a copy on half.com/eBay for a couple bucks. Only reason I didn't mention the first album is that it's not on eMusic, unless they're hiding it like they so often do. I used to dislike the Crash album (Kurt Ralske's band before UVS, with a different vocalist) but I've come around to really liking it now that I've gotten over some of my anti-80's production biases. I think we discussed Crash on-list not so long ago, after Jenny heard a song from one of their singles. They're non-CD (to the best of my knowledge) so you'll either have to have a turntable or find it on the evilnet. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:55:35 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon Two - two! - pet peeves in one! (Okay, one's not really a pet peeve, just a stray that recently wandered in.) Has anyone figured out a workaround past eMusic's 45-track limit in the case of albums with more than 45 tracks? Like, say, Actionslacks' _One Word_ - which features something like fifty 4-second tracks (which are probably worthless, even silent...but because eMusic puts up samples only for tracks longer than thirty seconds, I can't tell). (Pretend I ranted for hours about the stupidity of such bonus-track/index fucking-with.) As far as I can tell, I can either (a) download the longer, "real" tracks individually and assume the 4-second tracks are just silence (but isn't it a Mercury Rev album that divides an actual song into a bunch of 4-second so-called tracks?), (b) download all seventy fucking tracks (grrr), or (c) express my annoyance with such tactics by not downloading the album at all. (I haven't actually heard it - but I heard their album from a year or so ago and liked it well enough.) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::you can't imagine how hard it is to mail-order fifty red Maglites ::when you're a duck with no numeric street address :: --glenn mcdonald ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:13:50 -0400 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (ns) At 05:43 PM 8/7/2003 GMT, Dana Paoli wrote re. (ns): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >What's funny is that I do it so automatically, I don't even notice. Which means it won't drive me crazy, so carry on. But I laughed when I saw the above two seconds after I had changed the subject line and added a (ns). Guilty as charged. *** On this topic, I thought the subject line of this message was curious: http://www.escribe.com/music/loudfans/m36060.html Janet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:20:48 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] More UVS (ns) Pulled out Rev for the first time in a few months, and *good lord* "Portion of Delight" remains just a monster (at least in the book of dana). If anyone is sampling this album from eMusic, that's my vote as the track to try first. #2 would be the somewhat T-Rexy "How Sweet" #3 is the longish "Blood and Thunder." Really, the songwriting/production/playing is so fantastic. I find it hard to hear it as the end of the band, and I still check on the internet every few months to see if Kurt has come to his senses. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:42:50 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (ns) At Thursday 8/7/2003 09:13 PM -0400, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: >At 05:43 PM 8/7/2003 GMT, Dana Paoli wrote re. (ns): > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >What's funny is that I do it so automatically, I don't even notice. Which >means it won't drive me crazy, so carry on. But I laughed when I saw the >above two seconds after I had changed the subject line and added a (ns). >Guilty as charged. > >*** >On this topic, I thought the subject line of this message was curious: > >http://www.escribe.com/music/loudfans/m36060.html Y'know - I knew what you were talking about before I even clicked on the link. I wondered about that too. My guess is that dana's so used to just adding "(ns)" to everything, he doesn't even think about it anymore. Oh, the irony! Either that or it was a joke. I shudder to think of the alternatives. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Has anyone figured out a workaround past eMusic's 45-track limit in the > case of albums with more than 45 tracks? Install Linux! They fixed the client for us so it didn't do that - a very rare case of eMusic noticing when their customers say something. I suspect a lot of bitching on the message boards was involved. (But hey, have you installed the most recent client for your OS? They may have fixed all of them.) The other thing I can think of is to save the .emp file instead of handing it off to the download manager helper application thingy, and editing it into two pieces. I don't know exactly how that format works, but I think it's XML -- it'll look kind of like monster HTML, and I'm almost positive you'll be able to tell what's header, what's the section of text for each track, and what's footer. So delete everything in the .emp file past track 45, open your new .emp with the download manager, and then repeat for the second half. Might work. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:43:41 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pet-peeve-a-thon Quoting Aaron Mandel : > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > Has anyone figured out a workaround past eMusic's 45-track limit in > the > > case of albums with more than 45 tracks? > > Install Linux! Oh, I'm too stupid to figure out how to do that. Like, uh...in my mind I imagine having two OSs on one machine sorta like Rosey Grier and whoever the white guy was...I get confused immediately. 'Course, maybe there's a Linux machine on campus: I could download it there & just deal w/the MP3s. By this point, of course, I've expended far more keystrokes complaining about it than it would have taken me to just download the tracks already. But who ever said the net was about efficiency? (But hey, have you > installed the most recent client for your OS? They may have fixed all of > them.) Yep. Nope. > The other thing I can think of is to save the .emp file instead of > handing > it off to the download manager helper application thingy, and editing it > into two pieces. I don't know exactly how that format works, but I think > it's XML -- it'll look kind of like monster HTML, and I'm almost > positive > you'll be able to tell what's header, what's the section of text for > each > track, and what's footer. I read this, said "d'oh!!",* and proceeded to open up the .emp file with a text editor. Then I said "grrr..." because this is the first line: nF7YLaoU9iA6x_U3fFhjYwoijZkoa2.rfKLbc7gttpIZRf8.Jny5sCU6w.0pF_e3TAeNL.KFXMB.S0hPYNcuaJKBpJ.gNG9Pt7NnPocggzjY8DQa16cQDr.a If it's "monster HTML," it's mutated so strongly that I doubt it can interbreed with my runty little HTML skills... Perhaps I should print it out on a piece of paper, place it inside a triangle made of red sand, and chant cryptic and arcane phrases of dread import over it. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig * Okay, Deities of Punctuation, how the hell is one supposed to punctuate this? Even if you're one of those who dismiss the serial comma, there are going to be sentences with a list of, say, four items, the second of which is an exclamation like "d'oh!!" (or even this sentence perhaps, which would have the same sort of comma problem if I didn't head it off parenthetically - - and now that I think of it, I'm putting a semi-colon there, which would create its own problems); yet inside the quotes after the screamers seems very wrong, and outside the quotes should be right but I'll almost guarantee ya that no guidebook would say so. Or are we to assume that exclamation marks (and ellipses) just subsume lesser punctuation like commas beneath them, and thereby obviate the need for such minor markings? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:04:09 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] a man too long without sleep (or something) Here's the first sentence of Stephen Thomas Erlewine's AMG review of the reissue of Pavement's _Slanted & Enchanted_: "Even back in 1991/1992, fans, geeks, and critics found it irresistible to compare Pavement to Nirvana, the underground band that made the concessions to the mainstreams and reaped the rewards, expecting the group that remained doggedly underground to make a rush for the charts, even if it really never made sense, especially when you became acquainted with their debut." Say what? Who compared Pavement to Nirvana? Doesn't make sense to me now - wouldn't have then. And what "concessions" did Nirvana make to the "mainstream"? (I'll assume that plural is a typo - or STE has Nirvana making multiple concessions to multiple mainstreams. Actually, even in 1991 to speak of a "mainstream" in popular music made little sense...) And I suppose that it's Pavement referred to w/"expecting the group that remained doggedly underground to make a rush for the charts": but, uh, I'm not sure I remember that expectation either - and anyway, for some people, _Crooked Rain2_ *was* a "rush for the charts" what with the poppy choruses and MTV-friendly videos (you remember - when MTV played videos). And finally, I have no idea what exactly "it" is that "really never made sense": the comparisons? the expectations? the anticipated chart rushing? After all that, you'd think he'd clarify that S&E isn't Pavement's debut, that the tracks that ended up on _Westing (By Musket and Sextant)_ (many of which are collected here) preceded S&E... So what's the point of all that? None really - he just goes on to note that both Pavement & Nirvana have reissues out simultaneously, and then he raves about how great everything on MegaSlanted is. Odd. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:36:41 -0700 From: Matt Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a man too long without sleep (or something) At 11:04 PM -0500 8/7/03, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >Say what? Who compared Pavement to Nirvana? Doesn't make sense to me now - >wouldn't have then. And what "concessions" did Nirvana make to the >"mainstream"? (I'll assume that plural is a typo - or STE has Nirvana making >multiple concessions to multiple mainstreams. Erlewine is a crackhead. Have you ever seen the first print edition of the AMG? It's a laugh--80% written by the Erlewine family. "OK, your little sister Sophie is the family's Red Hot Chili Peppers expert...and Aunt Cinnamon can do the New Age reviews...and your cousin Bruce, well, he's a shoe-in to write up the Broadway shows!" Matt With close-lipp'd Patience for our only friend, Sad Patience, too near neighbour to Despair. Matthew Arnold (1822-1888), The Scholar-Gipsy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a man too long without sleep (or something) > Say what? Who compared Pavement to Nirvana? Doesn't make sense to me now - - wouldn't have then In my town, on KNDD-FM, "Cut Your Hair" was the song they played right after announcing Kurt Cobain's death. Whatever that means. > So what's the point of all that? None really - he just goes on to note that both Pavement & Nirvana have reissues out simultaneously, and then he raves about how great everything on MegaSlanted is. Odd. You think that's odd, you should read some of my AMG reviews. Though I would not listen to Phil Perry were I not getting paid for it, Andy Coleman in Calif. Recall Race Aug 7, 9:58 AM EST Associated Press Celebrities are already in the public eye, but some are saying they want to become public servants, too. On Wednesday, Gary Coleman, the star of the 1980s sitcom, "Diff'rent Strokes," plunked down $3,500 in Alameda County and declared himself a candidate for governor of California. Current governor Gray Davis is facing a recall election Oct. 7. The diminutive actor has been in and out of legal trouble since the popular show ended, and was recently on the E! series "Star Dates," where stars and singles mingle with mixed results. Arnold Schwarzenegger also announced his candidacy Wednesday while taping "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." He ended a news conference by telling reporters "I'll be back." "The politicians are fiddling, fumbling and failing," the "Terminator" actor said. "The man that is failing the people more than anyone is Gray Davis. He is failing them terribly, and this is why he needs to be recalled and this is why I am going to run for governor." Comedian Gallagher is also gathering signatures. The celebrities enter a pool of eager candidates hungry to oust Davis, who has seen his popularity plummet as the state grapples with a record $38 billion budget deficit. Davis is the first California governor to face a recall and would be only the second governor nationwide to be removed from office if the effort succeeds. Popular Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein ruled out a run, saying the election was becoming "more and more like a carnival every day." Meanwhile, Jerry Springer has decided not to run for U.S. Senate after spending about $1 million of his own money crisscrossing Ohio the last six months, speaking at Democratic dinners and gauging support for a Senate bid. He had said he would run if he could "break through the clutter of the show" and be a formidable candidate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sorry, Steve > Have we argued recently about DVDs people should see (or avoid)? No? > Well, what's stopping us? It's only arguing if two or more people disagree, but I'm happy to help! I still watch tapes, not DVDs, but all of the following should be available DVD-wise. So, recently watched by me: FIVE EASY PIECES (masterpiece, I should've watched it sooner); the TED BUNDY biopic (better than I expected, same director as FREEWAY); DARK PASSAGE (a little talky, and doesn't quite reconcile its thriller and romance elements, but hey it's Bogey and Bacall and the gimmick's a pip); MAY (enjoyably demented with lesbian intrigue to taste); the GACY biopic (same production company as BUNDY and once again a pleasant surprise--I can't wait to see DAHMER); and ABOUT SCHMIDT (quite fine--a delicate line between comedy and pathos never falling on either side, though any screenwriter daring to suggest that Hope Davis might be "a little past her prime" needs the proverbial damn good whacking). On deck: LAUREL CANYON, L'ATALANTE, and in a few days, SHOW THEM NO MERCY. Whoops, two of the above not yet available on DVD. You'll have to guess. Last film seen in a theater, tonight actually: THE SECRET LIVES OF DENTISTS. Some of the finest work I've ever seen from child actors--three little girls--and Campbell Scott, and yes, Hope Davis again. Let the arguing begin? Andy p.s. About AMG, hither lies an interview with the Erlewine who started it all: http://www.rockcritics.com/Michael_Erlewine_June_2003.html "So what is this Zorb thing - huh? I mean is it something to do with that Greek guy, or is it some sort of new circus act? Perhaps it's a new breed of pygmy-elephant designed to take over from those weird little pigs everyone was into a few years back." - --from www.zorb.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #231 *******************************