From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #228 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, August 6 2003 Volume 03 : Number 228 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] eeeeMuuusic (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] eeeeMuuusic (ns) [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] More life-altering than any drug ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] GT in the news (ns) [dmw ] [loud-fans] jandekthemovie (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] jandekthemovie (ns) ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens addendum [Steve Holtebeck >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't really like their recorded stuff so much, but it's worth mentioning that they put on a pretty unusual live show that's very worth catching once. My iPod (PC) has crashed three times since I've had it, but I've never lost any songs. It hasn't done so in a while now, so I'm thinking that it had to do with the original software. The new software update doesn't seem to fix the clock problem. Grrrrr. I finally tried out the "random" feature last night while doing laundry, and it really is pretty neat. The thing comes up with juxtapositions that I'd never think of myself (i.e. Black Box recorder into Iannis Xenakis) and hearing the songs in such a strange context really changes the way they sound. I think I'll be keeping the iPod on random for the near future. I'm wondering if anyone has tried using the DFX plug-in for musicmatch that supposedly makes the music (on headphones) sound like it's coming from in front of you (like speakers). I have the trial version, but it comes without that feature. The features that it does have seem to work reasonably well. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:10:32 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] eeeeMuuusic (ns) At Tuesday 8/5/2003 07:55 AM -0400, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >My iPod (PC) has crashed three times since I've had it, but I've never >lost any songs. It hasn't done so in a while now, so I'm thinking that >it had to do with the original software. The new software update doesn't >seem to fix the clock problem. Grrrrr. My iPod has always had only the new software, so it appears perfectly capable of crashing. I wonder if glenn's non-crashing iPod has something to do with it being a Mac rather than a Windows-enabled one. >I finally tried out the "random" feature last night while doing laundry, >and it really is pretty neat. The thing comes up with juxtapositions >that I'd never think of myself (i.e. Black Box recorder into Iannis >Xenakis) and hearing the songs in such a strange context really changes >the way they sound. I think I'll be keeping the iPod on random for the >near future. Shuffle play is quickly becoming my preferred mode of listening on the iPod, especially at work where I'm constantly distracted. It's like having your own personal radio station, and you never really know what's coming up next. It's very interesting for me to hear songs out of context (i.e. not sandwiched between the usual two album tracks), and when I hear them that way, I'm finding a new appreciation for songs that I previously didn't like as much. >I'm wondering if anyone has tried using the DFX plug-in for musicmatch >that supposedly makes the music (on headphones) sound like it's coming >from in front of you (like speakers). Haven't got it. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:09:54 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More life-altering than any drug apparently, they come with beetles these days: from a friend of mine: http://www.ericrice.com/journal/000139.php "First off, on TV is a new commercial called "Pods Unite" "... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Cc: "LFList" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More life-altering than any drug > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, steve wrote: > > I guess I can see how one of these could take over your life, > > especially if you're determined to fill it up. The idea of essentially > > having your own private radio station to carry around is appealing. > > I'd be tempted if there was a boombox docking station like the > > satellite receivers have. > > > > Anyone admit to a major habit? > > Many times, in this forum and others. Changed the way I listen to music, > blah... > > Joe Mallon > jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:30:48 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gender-orientation confusion among feuding NASCAR factionalists Hey! I may be standing far from the seat of intellect, but don't assume that loud-fans and NASCAR fans are mutually exclusive.... Oops, just outed myself... Wes (Who has drank with Dick Trickle) Go Matt Kenseth! "me" ckin.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gender-orientation confusion among feuding NASCAR owner-loud-fans@s factionalists moe.org 08/04/03 11:04 AM well, i mean really - the ARE NASCAR fans we're talking about.... not exactly the seat of intellect.... brianna - ----- Original Message ----- > "FAG" at NASCAR events, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:26:53 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens new & old Steve: >> And I have a live G-Bs album (LIVE ON SNAP) of two KCRW radio >>sessions from 1987 and 1988 that came out >>in 1999 on Beggars Banquet (with BELLAVISTA TERRACE), which isn't >>available on emusic or listed at allmusic.com, so it might be a promo? It was a "bonus disc" with the first copies of BT. I never bought BT since it was redundant and inferior (at least in terms of track selection) to the older compilation "1978-1990", which is ace, but you could order "Live on Snap" on its own from Beggars online, which is what I did. Haven't picked up the double-reissues on JetSetYet as so many of the bonus tracks are indeed the extra stuff on 78-90. In fact I never got a complete set of the Beggars reissues. My GB's collection is a motley mix of original Beggars CD's, original issue imports on Mushroom and such, and Beggars reissues. Hard to believe how much action that catalog has seen in recent years... more than I can afford to keep up with,and I'm a huge fan. >>There hasn't been much discussion here about this years >>Go-Betweens' release BRIGHT YELLOW: BRIGHT ORANGE, so I'm >>curious what the consensus is. I like it a great deal, although I haven't listened to it as much as I'd've hoped by now (as with lots of new stuff... lifestyle issues). It's more coherent as a "band" record than "Rachel" (which, although this is nothing to complain about, was sort of two halves apiece of two solo albums from Grant and Robert). I gravitated to the Forster stuff on BY:BO right off, but that's my pattern. I'll spin it later tonight and I'd be surprised if it isn't the Grant material that rox my sox. I rate Robert and Grant with one solo materpiece each: "Danger in the Past" and "Horsebreaker Star" respectively (although "Watershed" is an embarassingly recent pickup for me and I haven't fully absorbed it). And Forster's version of Grant Hart's "2541" is quite nice. Heard the Ivy cover of "Streets". 'Sokay. Some interesting song choices on the Ivy covers album, but they're so stripped down that they come out a bit samey. But I'm not big on Ivy in and of themselves, so there's that. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:26:50 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] GT in the news (ns) The blog news that is. Scott Miller makes another appearance in fluxblog today (): Morning y'all. My name is Emily and I'm seriously honored to get to do this. I'm going through ideas of more stuff to post later - about my favorite band, Game Theory, and possibly about punishing myself with severe Cub inundation, and some other stuff - but before all that I had one song I wanted to post in honor of our fearless leader. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (This week is the special guest edition of fluxblog. Emily appears to be a post collegiate chick who's just moving down to Florida. I can't say "Moving down to Florida" without hearing a musical "Bum-bu-BAH, Bum-bu-BAH, B-Bum-bu-Bah, Bum" in my head. It's really annoying. Does Scott have a birthday song? Emily would probably want to know. - --dana, off to bowl me a perfect game ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT in the news (ns) On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Dana Paoli wrote: > be a post collegiate chick who's just moving down to Florida. I can't > say "Moving down to Florida" without hearing a musical "Bum-bu-BAH, > Bum-bu-BAH, B-Bum-bu-Bah, Bum" in my head. It's really annoying. the intro of "all you need is love" ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:49:54 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] jandekthemovie (ns) Mostly for Andy (who probably already knows), there's a trailer for the Jandek documentary up at: I'm emphatically not part of his cult, but am interested in the documentary, and the initial signs look good. The interview with the film-makers on the above site is pretty interesting and makes it sound like they took the right approach, i.e. they're not going to do a "Band Who Would Be King" piece of condescending crap and they're not going to do "Jandek Exposed." I also like their comments about Irwin Chusid who 1. has uncovered some interesting music but 2. seems to have a really annoying attitude. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] jandekthemovie (ns) > I'm emphatically not part of his cult, but am interested in the > documentary, and the initial signs look good. The interview with the > film-makers on the above site is pretty interesting and makes it sound > like they took the right approach, i.e. they're not going to do a "Band > Who Would Be King" piece of condescending crap and they're not going to > do "Jandek Exposed." I also like their comments about Irwin Chusid who > 1. has uncovered some interesting music but 2. seems to have a really > annoying attitude. Chusid hates Jandek, and that's obvious, I think, from examining Chusid's writings on Jandek, viz: http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/22/jandek.html Looking forward to the film. Just for the record, I enjoyed THE BAND THAT WOULD BE KING except maybe for Gerard Cosloy making an ass of himself. He's entitled to do that though. Wondering if anyone else's seen GIGANTIC, Andy "She has not yet discovered that in literature the ambition of the novice is to acquire the literary language: the struggle of the adept is to get rid of it." - --George Bernard Shaw ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:06:18 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens new & old Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Grant and Robert). I gravitated to the Forster stuff on BY:BO right > off, > but that's my pattern. I'll spin it later tonight and I'd be surprised > if > it isn't the Grant material that rox my sox. Here is a genetic defect of mine recently brought to my attention: my ears have trouble distinguishing between certain pairs of singers in the same band. To the rest of the world, it seems, which songs are Forster's and which McLennan's must be glaringly obvious - to me, for some reason, their voices are so similar I have to struggle to tell who's singing. Similarly, my ears have trouble distinguishing the Johns in TMBG (although that one's a little easier). Is there surgery available to correct this problem? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:08:21 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens addendum Hmm, just found out that Beggars has rereleased "16 Lovers Lane" again, street date, um, today. So the catalog bifurcation mystery continues. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:36:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens addendum On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Hmm, just found out that Beggars has rereleased "16 Lovers Lane" again, > street date, um, today. So the catalog bifurcation mystery continues. With no bonus tracks or anything, and the same ugly back cover design as the rest of their set of reissues. I'm mystified. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens new & old On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Similarly, my ears have trouble distinguishing the Johns in TMBG > (although that one's a little easier). > > Is there surgery available to correct this problem? In both of the cases you mention, I couldn't do it until I listened to solo albums. There are other hints, though. Here are the notes I posted to fegmaniax when Mink Car came out about who sang what and how you can tell: Bangs - Linnell (nasal A on "bangs", says "yer" for "your") Cyclops Rock - Flans (says "ah'm" and "lahk" for "I'm" and "like", plus the lyrics are more goofy than creepy) Man It's So Loud - Linnell (that A comes back on "say" in the first line of the chorus. also, Linnell does most of the wordplay.) Another First Kiss - Flans (mellower voice, sweetly retro aesthetic) Fang - Linnell (creepy lyric, doesn't sound calm even when singing this quietly) Sombrero - Linnell (voice cracks up a little on the high notes) Yeh Yeh - Flans (sweet & retro again; his "baby" is more "behby" than Linnell's "bayyybee"; "groovy hah-fah") Hopeless Bleak Despair - Linnell (it's about despair, nearly HAS to be Linnell) Drink - Flans (doing a decent Linnell impression, vocally and thematically, but note the "rum"-like "room") My Man - Linnell (seriously Linnell nasality) Older - Linnell, then Flans Mink Car - Flans (right, the retro and gentle voice) Critta - Flans (even when he's NOT accentuating it, Flans has more of a Boston accent) Finished With Lies - Linnell (the way he swallows the "I'm" after "now" at the very beginning is very Linnell) Edith Head - Flans (pop culture references are generally Flans; see above comments about the mellow voice) Working Undercover - Flans (that's about as high as his voice goes; he likes the spy lyrics) If you don't have Mink Car, name another album and I'll try to do the same for it, though clearly there's no guarantee of it helping. I started to like them even more once I could tell them apart, which is why I'm proselytizing for that ability. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens new & old > In both of the cases you mention, I couldn't do it until I listened to > solo albums. There are other hints, though. Here are the notes I posted > to fegmaniax when Mink Car came out about who sang what and how you can > tell: The following website is also very helpful: http://www.europa.com/~alittlew/tmbg/whosings.html Four most recent albums not covered, though. Pity. Still love'em, still can't tell the voices apart. Lyrically, if it's got a dark undertone, it's probably Linnell, which is why I like him better. Didn't bother to pick up the two most recent releases, though...hmm... Andy "I believe a man is born first unto himself -for the happy developing of himself, while the world is a nursery, and the pretty things are to be snatched for, and pleasant things tasted; some people seem to exist thus right to the end. But most are born again on entering manhood; then they are born to humanity, to a consciousness of all the laughing, and the never-ceasing murmur of pain and sorrow that comes from the terrible multitudes of brothers." - --Lester Bangs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:34:50 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] itunes + jazz reccomendation (ns) Interesting but short article, for those watching iTunes: http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=208 And someone on the eMusic boards recommended "Sonny's Dream (Birth of the New Cool)" by Sonny Criss (being an ignoramus, I'd never heard of him) and what a great suggestion that turned out to be. Seriously wonderful (even I can tell that) and very accesible. They have a bunch of his albums, so if they're all up to this standard, I'll be very happy. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:53:05 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens new & old At 04:40 PM 8/5/2003 -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote of TMBG: >Still love'em, still can't tell the voices apart. Lyrically, if it's got >a dark undertone, it's probably Linnell, which is why I like him better. I've always heard people talk about how they can't tell their voices apart, but it's always been quite easy for me: Linnell has the extremely nasal voice and Flansburgh has the thick townie accent. (Turns out that Linnell is actually a NYC boy and only moved to Massachusetts when he was in his early teens.) And Linnell sings most of the singles, so if it's the voice of the guy who sang "Ana Ng" or "Birdhouse In Your Soul," it's Linnell. Of course, it's harder on the songs with the electronically re-processed vocals and stuff, although my assumption is that it's Flansburgh who does that kind of stuff most of the time. Also saw Gigantic, S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:12:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] ben folds A few days ago I got the new Ben Folds EP in the mail. It was relatively cheap (I think even after shipping it was $7; I got one for a friend too, so my shipping was lower, but whatever) and I wasn't expecting much. It's great. It literally hasn't left my CD player -- I have three others, so I'm not saying I haven't listened to anything else since it showed up, but every time I've been in front of this particular boombox and thought about switching it out, I hit play instead. I thought the first album was brilliant, the second one okay in places but flawed, the third excruciating. His solo album was sort of good, but not in the way the original BFF record was, and I found several songs on it totally unmemorable. This EP *sounds* like the first one; I can't put my finger on what it is in the production, but it snapped me right back to 1995. I know some people here find him smarmy (see the recent Fountains of Wayne discussion) but at first I didn't even see him as trying to portray the necessary emotional engagement to be smarmy or not; he seemed like kind of a smartass, but not an arrogant one. Some isolated lyrics of his have bugged me; none of these do, but others might feel differently. The best track is probably his cover of The Cure's "In Between Days", a song I like *better* with most of the emotion leached out of it, for what that's worth. Still, he says there will be two more EPs in the series, and I'm looking forward to them in a way I did not expect to care about Ben Folds product again. One can buy them at www.attackedbyplastic.com (sold through Sony, lest anyone think this is a super-indie stunt). a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:34:08 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Go-Betweens addendum Aaron Mandel: > > Hmm, just found out that Beggars has rereleased "16 Lovers Lane" > > again, street date, um, today. So the catalog bifurcation mystery > > continues. > With no bonus tracks or anything, and the same ugly back cover design > as the rest of their set of reissues. I'm mystified. That is mystifying! I'd be first in line to buy a reissued 16 LOVERS LANE with B-sides, because there are some great non-LP songs from that era. I have the 12" single of "Streets of Your Town" which has *four* extra tracks ("Rock And Roll Friend", "Mexican Postcard", "Wait Until June", and "Casanova's Last Words") every one of them top drawer and none of them on the album. The first two are on the 1978-1990 compilation that Rex mentioned, but I've never been able to find the last two on CD. "Rock and Roll Friend" was covered by Franklin Bruno and Nothing Painted Blue on POWER TRIPS DOWN LOVERS LANE, and I've always wondered if that ..LOVERS LANE album title was influenced by the Go-Betweens album. - -Steve ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #228 *******************************