From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #226 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, August 4 2003 Volume 03 : Number 226 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] let's talk about scott (baby) [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] gender-orientation confusion among feuding NASCAR factionalists [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] let's talk about scott (baby) I've got housework to do this afternoon, and I thought maybe I'd settle in with all five LF albums. I haven't listened to any of them for a while, some of them probably not for a year or two, so it seemed like fun. In order, of course. And I'm only halfway through PABARAT right now, but wow -- hearing Big Star's Third not long ago casts a lot of these songs in a different light. I like the slow ones much more than I did before. "Idiot Son" feels like a continuation of "Chardonnay". Maybe it's just the "council seat" line; I should sit down with the lyrics and really think about it. There's a wee-oow effect on the vocals in "Some Grand Vision" that now just sounds like bad mp3 compression. I guess that couldn't have been predicted. I think it's not just the time lapse that's making these sound different, actually; it's the stereo my roommate left behind. Ah, perhaps I've resisted being an audiophile long enough... might be time to make sure everything I listen to sounds this good. Anyhow, I want to encourage everyone else to do this if they've got time to kill -- if there's a Scott album you haven't heard since before the last time your musical taste changed, dig it out. It's weird to be able to hum every note of a song and yet find that new things come into your head while actually *listening* to it because you've changed. Or is this totally common, and I just don't listen to my favorite records often enough to know it? a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:52:06 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] let's talk about scott (baby) Quoting Aaron Mandel : > There's a wee-oow effect on the vocals in "Some Grand Vision" that now > just sounds like bad mp3 compression. I guess that couldn't have been > predicted. I always thought the vocal effect on that track was more like "squeeeeeeeeak!" Oh - you mean the *production* effect. > Anyhow, I want to encourage everyone else to do this if they've got time > to kill -- if there's a Scott album you haven't heard since before the > last time your musical taste changed, dig it out. It's weird to be able > to > hum every note of a song and yet find that new things come into your > head > while actually *listening* to it because you've changed. THat makes sense to me - I'll periodically dig up old recordings, and find that sometimes I don't exactly remember them - or rather, I remember certain songs, parts of certain songs, but not others. Coincidentally, *I* just listened to PBRT yesterday as well - I'm in the midst of a Scott relistening session for a project I'm working on. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: [loud-fans] chat?? irc.eskimo.com #loudfans I'm there! Phil F NP: Drive By Truckers - DECORATION DAY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:54:07 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] gender-orientation confusion among feuding NASCAR factionalists Okay, so I pull up behind a pickup truck festooned with a stunningly stereotype-enhancing array of bumper stickers (pissing Calvin taking sides in the Ford/Chevy wars, NRA, People Eating Tasty Animals, etc.). But one of the vehicle's stickers was a bit confusing. The first letter of each word is printed in caps nearly twice as big as the surrounding letters, and the words are laid out thus: Fans Against Gordon Clearly, the driver means to express his derision for NASCAR racer Jeff Gordon. And the design of the sticker suggests we're meant to notice the acronym. Perhaps it intends to suggest that Gordon is homosexual, and that this is the reason the group opposes Gordon's racing efforts, presumably because dressing in colorful, skintight gear and skillfully manipulating a shaft is an art too manly for any but the gruffest heterosexual men. Yet if that's the case, it would seem odd to pick for the group an acronym effectively identifying the *group* with the characteristic its name implicitly condemns Gordon for possessing, which suggests a degree of unthought-through self-loathing really rather touching in its sadness. Or perhaps it's not unthought-through at all: the driver belongs to this putative group; is he not implying that he too is a "FAG"? So perhaps the sticker promotes an anti-Gordon group of gay NASCAR fans. Or maybe the truck is driven by a hipster post-modernist spoofing on the whole "redneck" image he knows his vehicle will convey to people...and the confusing play of signifiers evoked by this bumper sticker is his cue to the cognoscenti that the entire vehicle should be seen as if flanked by giant invisible quotation marks. Or perhaps it's a test vehicle used by _Simpsons_ gag writers, determining whether, if Homer had such a sticker on his truck, people would see the inevitable "D'oh!" reaction coming up when Homer realizes the sticker's implicit self-referentiality. Why are all those people behind me honking? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #226 *******************************