From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #225 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, August 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 225 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Check ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] Check ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] horse, quite dead, exhumed in order to be pummeled [Jeffrey w] [loud-fans] squeezeblur,SFA(ns) [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] Rocker moms ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Exterminate-uh! Exterminate-uh! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] Rocker moms [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Rocker moms ["me" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:31:44 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Check |-----Original Message----- |From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@uwm.edu] |Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:34 PM |To: someone please...make it stop!!!! |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Check | | |Quoting Gil Ray : | |> Check! Check! Is this thing on? | |Christ! That went right through my ears like a fucking icepick! | |..Jeff Gils loves those unexpected rimshots. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Check > Gils loves those unexpected rimshots. They're serving up Rim Jobs over at Dante's... Andy Elvis' Producer Sam Phillips Dies at 80 Thu Jul 31, 6:14 PM ET MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Sun Records founder Sam Phillips (news), who gave Elvis Presley (news) his first record contract after hearing the young man sing for his mother and was involved in the early careers of other music legends, has died. He was 80. Phillips, who founded Sun Records in 1952, died Wednesday of respiratory failure at St. Francis Hospital, his son Knox Phillips said. He said his father had been in declining health for a year. "When I first heard Elvis, the essence of what I heard in his voice was such that I knew there might be a number of areas that we could go into," Phillips once said. The record producer who helped usher in the rock 'n' roll revolution by capitalizing on the rebellion of youth also recorded Johnny Cash (news), Jerry Lee Lewis (news), Roy Orbison (news), Conway Twitty (news), B.B. King, Charlie Rich (news) and Carl Perkins, who wrote and performed the original "Blue Suede Shoes." "He believed in self-expression in the extreme," the younger Phillips said Thursday. "He was against conformity or walking in lockstep with anybody." In the summer of 1953, Presley, then a young singer who had moved from Tupelo, Miss., went to the Sun studio to record two songs  "My Happiness" and "That's When Your Heartaches Begin"  for his mother's birthday. After hearing him, Phillips offered Presley a recording contract. Phillips produced Presley's first record, the 1954 single that featured "That's All Right, Mama" and "Blue Moon of Kentucky," and nine more. "God only knows that we didn't know it would have the response that it would have," Phillips said in an interview in 1997. "But I always knew that the rebellion of young people, which is as natural as breathing, would be a part of that breakthrough." Presley was good with ballads, Phillips recalled, but there was no need to challenge the established balladeers like Perry Como (news), Frankie Laine and Bing Crosby (news). "What there was a need for was a rhythm that had a very pronounced beat, a joyous sound and a quality that young people in particular could identify with," he said. By 1956, when Phillips sold Presley's contract to RCA for $35,000, the rock 'n' roll craze had become a cultural phenomenon and a multimillion-dollar industry. Phillips was elected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1986. In 2000, the A&E cable network ran a two-hour biography called "Sam Phillips: The Man Who Invented Rock and Roll." Phillips began in music as a radio station engineer and later as a disc jockey. He started Sun Records so he could record both rhythm & blues singers and country performers. His plan was to let artists who had no formal training play their music as they felt it, raw and full of life. The Sun motto was "We Record Anything, Anywhere, Anytime." In the early days, before Presley, Phillips worked mostly with black musicians, including King and Rufus Thomas (news), under a different label. He got out of the recording business in 1962 and sold Sun Records in 1969 to producer Shelby Singleton of Nashville. The Sun studio on Union Avenue in Memphis is now a tourist attraction, and a ceremony to designate it as a national historic landmark  a first for a recording studio  was scheduled for Thursday afternoon in Washington, D.C. Born Samuel Cornelius Phillips in Florence, Ala., Phillips worked as an announcer at radio stations in Alabama and Nashville, before settling in Memphis in 1945. In his later years, Phillips spent much of his time operating radio stations in Memphis and in Alabama. He stayed out of the limelight except for some appearances at Presley-related events after Presley's death. "I'll never retire. I'm just using up somebody else's oxygen if I retire," he said in an Associated Press interview in 2000. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:29:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] horse, quite dead, exhumed in order to be pummeled My spam filter didn't like Julianne's address, so I didn't notice this till I was combing through the spam folder this morning. Anyway... On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 Overall_Julianne@emc.com wrote: > I like to lurk and read threads discussing how unbelievable it is that a > woman could play the gender card. It seems that the most vocal assert that > the album sucks and the new image sucks - how dare Liz Phair exploit her own > sexuality, etc... The issue, of course, is whether Phair is exploiting her own sexuality, or someone else's market-tested idea of sexuality. The accusation about the image generally interprets it as the latter. And that's as open to judgment as interpreting whether an artist's new direction seems insincere - - in either case, it's possible that in fact the most crassly commercial sound/image might in fact speak to exactly what the artist felt at that moment. Doesn't prevent either from sucking, however. > Yet, I don't recall ever reading any posts or reviews on male artists or > bands so focused on the clothing or sex appeal. Even when a particularly > bad album was released. Hasn't even one male 'artist' changed his image to > look younger or sexier? Since this post, some examples have been raised. However, the real issue is that male artists are not generally marketed on their bodies in the way that women are. As I said, that's most likely sexist - but it's hardly a critic's sexism to point out that the industry markets in a sexist manner. But hey: if, say, Elliott Smith suddenly appeared, having undergone a massive style makeover, dressed in a Hollywood version of teen-boy sexy, and had his music reworked to a glossy sheen by the Matrix, would a lot of his old fans be pissed off, and would a lot of music critics decry the resulting music - and the image - as inane, insulting, and ridiculous for Smith to have adopted? Hell yes. And I'll repeat: the sexuality is not the issue. It's the perceived crassness, blatantness, and falseness of the overt commercial appeal that rankles indie fans. The starting point for all this, of course, was Gina Arnold's article - which I think did a poor job of trying to ride Liz Phair's image makeover all the way to a general conclusion about music-critic sexism. Does that criticism of Arnold mean that there isn't a lot of sexism among music critics? Not at all - there are loads of it - but it doesn't mean that such sexism is the primary reason critics reject Phair's album. Her past critical success (the history of which Arnold clumsily attempts to rewrite) is proof enough of that...although at least part of that critical success, ironically, rests on Phair's "exploiting her own sexuality" and the critics being quite aware of that sexuality. One problem is that too often, people who exploit their sexuality get irked when critics actually respond thereto, or characterize the artist by means of that sexuality. Bit of a problem there... > I've heard it said that when a male speaks, the listeners most remember what > he said. When a woman speaks, the listeners most remember what she was > wearing. I'll test that theory by wearing a hot pink spandex miniskirt to the first class I teach next fall ;) ... that is, depends on *what* the person's wearing. WHich isn't to deny your statement is often true. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: np: The Orb _Orbus Terrarum_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:30:21 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] squeezeblur,SFA(ns) Hey, The fluxblog guy (Roger: fluxblog can be found at ) reports today yet another thing that I didn't know. Namely, Squeeze put out a cover of blur's "End of a Century." Neat. Been listening to the new Super Furry Animals album "Phantom Power" but thus far it sounds solid/uninspiring. Definitely their most "classic rock" release thus far. I'll have to see if it's a grower. I bought the new Kills ep (which comes with a video) but I *still* can't tell if VV is as hot as they say. Damn those indie rockers and their gritty black and white videos. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Rocker moms Not fodder for the Liz/Gina debate - just relevant data: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2003/08/01/rockermoms/index.html May be a premium thing... Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:56:48 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Exterminate-uh! Exterminate-uh! JeFFrey: >> there was a young baby (less than a year old), and as I walked past, >>he happened to look in my direction, and...Julian H. Cope on a >>flaming bicycle, he looked like Mark E. Smith. Damn. I'll never be creeped out by The Exorcist again. Although I would be amused if the demon were redubbed in MES-Speak. Of course I also believe that MES is destined to play the role of Davros the next time Doctor Who gets going again, and thereafter the Daleks will speak like him, too. Come on, you know you'd watch that. Aaron: >>This leaked version -- the one they're not releasing -- sounds like it >>combines the best aspects of The Marshall Suite with the worst of >>Are You Are Missing Winner Wow, there's a case of whiplash for you. I'm still a little dumbfound by just how *little* I liked AYAMW. It was one of those records where, to hear it described, its faults would be positive attributes from my POV. And I liked the songs from it when I heard them live (before I had the record) But it just sounded like a botched job and grated on my nerves. And this is a *Fall* record we'er talking about here. _____ Larry: >>Tom Verlaine (when I recently saw Television he hardly looked any >>different than 20 years ago) He was looking a little paunchy for a while (when his girlfriend got him to give up the Export A's) but now seems back to his good ol' emaciated self. I'd nominate Neil Young, who I've just seen, and is getting fatter, grayer, and balder all the time, but was so frightening-looking to begin with that he's looking less threatening in the process. Bryan Ferry is eerily well-preserved, last time I checked. Which admittedly was a while ago. ___ Apparently the only way to get actual sales figures for records is to pay for a subscription to some industry mailing list or another. The only figures that seem to be available to the general public involve albums that have been certified gold or above. That ain't gonna help us here. But I wish there was a resource for this stuff so I could confirm or debunk a few of my own theories about certain artists and their commercial heydays and what that says about the cultural ghestaht zeitgeist clusterfuck whatever thingy. - -Rex, with apologies to those who've heard the MES/Davros riff before elsewhere ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rocker moms > Not fodder for the Liz/Gina debate - just relevant data: > http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2003/08/01/rockermoms/index.html > > May be a premium thing... Bad news: all of Salon's content is now partially blockaded. Good news: you can always get around the blockade by clicking on the "day pass" option at the bottom of a given article, then viewing and/or clicking through some stupid commercial for thirty seconds or less. Some articles don't give you the day pass option, which is confusing. In that case, hunt around for an article which gives you the option, click on the day pass commerical, and you're good to go for access the entire day. "Obvious, one would think." And yet, I know of a terrifyingly erudite rock critic and scholar, occasionally discussed onlist, who, I know from reading another list, couldn't figure it out. Then we have the good friend of mine who refuses to even ponder clicking through. On a DSL no fucking less. Interesting article, but I found one wowser: unless somebody knows something I don't, LIZ PHAIR the "first album she has recorded since the birth of her son Nicholas six and a half years ago." Next you'll tell me David J. and Kevin Haskins are brothers, Andy http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/fword1.html (just read it) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:18:11 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rocker moms Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/fword1.html Interesting...but the editors make the dumb mistake of assuming that "first recorded usage" is the same as "origin": not at all likely, esp. in the case of an oft-suppressed word like "firetruck." Ooops - I added some letters. ..Jeff, who thinks Scott would have sold more records if the band had been called, after the legal document quoted at the URL above, The Fuck Family J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:26:20 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rocker moms favorite line: 'Literally millions of Fuckng recordings have been distributed by national recording artists...' second favorite line: 'This verstility could paritally explain the prevalence of the word andwhy it is so readily available to anyone with access toa computer, VCR, CD player, eight track recorder, DVD player, phonograph, casette deack, or Blockbuster Video outlet.' oh, and of course, the enitre last paragraph. very funny - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "someone please...make it stop!!!!" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rocker moms > Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > > > http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/fword1.html > > Interesting...but the editors make the dumb mistake of assuming that "first > recorded usage" is the same as "origin": not at all likely, esp. in the case > of an oft-suppressed word like "firetruck." Ooops - I added some letters. > > ..Jeff, who thinks Scott would have sold more records if the band had been > called, after the legal document quoted at the URL above, The Fuck Family > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" > :: --William Gass ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #225 *******************************