From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #218 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, July 26 2003 Volume 03 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of... (ns) [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios [Tim Walters ] Re: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios [wsilvers@earthlink.n] [loud-fans] Emusic Recommendation [Chris Prew ] [loud-fans] non-Emusic Recommendation [Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios > On Radiohead, I heard on NPR a man (whose name has slipped my mind) > who's released a CD of Radiohead songs that he's transcribed to piano. > This type of thing usually feels like a gimmick to me, but the samples > they played on NPR were just lovely. Perhaps because piano is the only > instrument I have any competence with, the piano versions seemed to > reveal a lot of complexity in the songs that gets hidden (for me) by the > instrumentation. Anyway, anyone heard the whole album? Christopher O'Riley is the name: http://www.npr.org/programs/pt/features/4a/oriley.02.html There goes Dana, posting to the list without being on the internet again (is this the second coming of Ted Serios?). Which reminds me, does "lower-middle-class hatred" decode as being lower-middle-class and hatin' (me, for example), or hating the lower-middle-class (which admittedly *could* be the same thing...). My favorite Fountains of Wayne story (so far): the other week I was spinning records in the Monkey Pub and I put on "Red Dragon Tattoo" and the most beautiful woman in the entire bar (think Julianne Moore stretched to almost six feet) came up and asked me what it was and I told her and she said they sounded a lot like the Apples in Stereo. I told her I wasn't a huge Apples in Stereo fan but I got THE DISCOVERY OF A WORLD INSIDE THE MOONE because Stewart said it sounded a lot like the Archies and I liked it because it did sound a lot like the Archies. She said, "The one with the orange cover is much better." I knew I had to have some reason for pushing a ton of records down broken sidewalks in a godforsaken shopping cart, Andy We begin with the question of whether there is a realm beyond my "immediate experience." Does the Empire State Building continue to exist even when I am not looking at it? If either of these questions can be asked, then there must indeed be a realm beyond my experience. If I can ask whether there is a realm beyond my experience, then the answer must be yes. The reason is that there has to be a realm beyond my experience in order for the phrase 'a realm beyond my experience' to have any meaning. Russell's theory of descriptions will not work here; it cannot jump the gap between my experience and the realm beyond my experience. The assertion 'There is realm beyond my experience' is true if it is meaningful, and that is precisely what is wrong with it. There are rules implicit in the natural language as to what is semantically legitimate. Without a rule that a statement and its negation cannot simultaneously be true, for example, the natural language would be in such chaos that nothing could be done with it. Aristotle's Organon was the first attempt to explicate this structure formally, and Supplement D of Carnap's Meaning and Necessity shows that hypotheses about the implicit rules of natural language are well-defined and testable. An example of implicit semantics is the aphorism that "saying a thing is so doesn't make it so." This aphorism has been carried over into the semantics of the physical sciences: its import is that there is no such thing as a substantive assertion which is true merely because it is meaningful. If a statement is true merely because it is meaningful, then it is too true. It must be some kind of definitional trick which doesn't say anything. And this is our conclusion about the assertion that there is a realm beyond my experience. Since it would be true if it were meaningful, it cannot be a substantive assertion. - --Henry Flynt, from http://www.henryflynt.org/philosophy/flawbelief.html > --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:13:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Which reminds me, does "lower-middle-class hatred" decode as being > lower-middle-class and hatin' (me, for example), or hating the > lower-middle-class (which admittedly *could* be the same thing...). I think the second is what was meant. > We begin with the question of whether there is a realm beyond my > "immediate experience." Does the Empire State Building continue to exist > even when I am not looking at it? If either of these questions can be > asked, then there must indeed be a realm beyond my experience. If I can > ask whether there is a realm beyond my experience, then the answer must be > yes. > --Henry Flynt, from http://www.henryflynt.org/philosophy/flawbelief.html "Are there invisible lime-green monkeys chittering noiselessly above the sun that owe me seven million dollars and who are compelling Henry Flynt to tender such a sum to me on their behalf? If I can ask this question, the answer must be yes." I'll be expecting my check shortly. (Oh - and those monkeys are more perfect than God, too.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, posting from "work" again J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ np: Sunny Day Real Estate _Diary_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:24:29 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Fountains of... (ns) I told her I wasn't a huge Apples in Stereo fan but I got THE DISCOVERY OF A WORLDINSIDE THE MOONE because Stewart said it sounded a lot like the Archies and I liked it because it did sound a lot like the Archies. She said, "The one with the orange cover is much better." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *That's* the end of the story? What a lame story. I order you to read 10 back issues of Penthouse Forum and then get back to us. "Dear Loud-fans. I never thought this would happen to me, but one day this cute girl with lousy musical taste walked up to me in a bar..." - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:56:40 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of... (ns) In a message dated 7/25/03 7:28:04 AM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << "Dear Loud-fans. I never thought this would happen to me, but one day this cute girl with lousy musical taste walked up to me in a bar..." >> I once read a pretty good Penthouse Forum letter about a guy who got laid at a Natalie Merchant concert. It didn't begin "I never thought this would happen to me," though, most likely because even Penthouse Forum readers know the expected gullibility of girls at a Natalie Merchant concert. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:05:04 -0700 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 08:13 AM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > "Are there invisible lime-green monkeys chittering noiselessly above > the > sun that owe me seven million dollars and who are compelling Henry > Flynt > to tender such a sum to me on their behalf? If I can ask this question, > the answer must be yes." Flynt isn't saying that anything you can imagine must exist, just that the realm in which such things do or do not exist is precisely the realm beyond experience the existence of which is at issue. Therefore if it's meaningful to talk about things existing outside experience, it must be true that some things do. He goes on to argue that statements of this type--that if meaningful must be true--are non-substantive, i.e., come down to "definitional tricks." I haven't decided how I feel about all that, but I'm quite sure you haven't refuted him. I know, I know, "sophomore philosophy class." Swinging back to music: is this the Henry Flynt of LaMonte Young's "X For Henry Flynt?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap mix received On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > At Thursday 7/24/2003 05:38 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > >Jonathan Fire*Eater, a band that kept > >getting raved about so much that I ignored them. Then I heard a song or two > >recently, and I'm thinking I really should have checked them out. > > No, you did the right thing. i was going to say something similar. saw them; thought they were dreadfully boring. natty dressers; no songs. ym, as always, mv. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:15:26 -0500 (CDT) From: wsilvers@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios Andy Hamlin wondered: >Which reminds me, does "lower-middle-class hatred" decode as >being lower-middle-class and hatin' (me, for example), or >hating the lower-middle-class (which admittedly *could* be the >same thing...). Interesting question. And if the latter, is it a general classist loathing or specific to blue collar workers, or underemployed former white collar workers who were downsized elsewhere, or to "hippies" who make the rent by selling batik and pasties at jam band festivals, or to slacker kids scraping by on trust-fund dividends, or to even more specific unnamed targets of classist derision? b.s., who finds it surprisingly easy to be a class-conscious, raised lower-middle class sensitive pop fan who nonetheless finds more charm than disonance in FoW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:29:56 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] Emusic Recommendation Peace Harbor, Not Yet Fire. That odd place where post-rock meets acoustic folk and alt-country. Mostly instrumental, but not completely. Nicely recorded. Sounds a bit like Mogwai on a front porch in Montana, unplugged. There are banjos, too. Good "Its a nice Friday and I'd rather not be stuck at work, but if I have to be, I'm glad I'm listening to this" music. Chris np: duh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:51:57 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] non-Emusic Recommendation At 12:29 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, Chris Prew wrote: >Peace Harbor, Not Yet Fire. > >That odd place where post-rock meets acoustic folk and alt-country. >Mostly instrumental, but not completely. Nicely recorded. Sounds a bit >like Mogwai on a front porch in Montana, unplugged. There are banjos, >too. This sounds somewhat similar to the record I'm currently listening to, Dakota Suite's THIS RIVER ONLY BRINGS POISON. (This apparently came out last year in the UK, but this is a new US edition with four bonus tracks from previous DS records.) More vocals than instrumentals, but the album was produced by Bruce Kaphan of American Music Club (he and Tim Mooney both play on it as well) and it sounds kind of like a cross between CALIFORNIA-era AMC (the way it suggests country and folk without sounding countryish or folkish), Bedhead (the echoey, atmospheric production and the way the songs tend to unfold very slowly and deliberately) and Joe Pernice's solo side projects (the same sort of intimacy, especially on the close-miked vocals, though Chris Hooson appears to be at least marginally happier than Joe Pernice). Excellent stuff. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Michael Mitton wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Brian Block wrote: > > > than I used to. Any other _Hail to the Thief_ fans present? > > I'd put it below OK, but above everything else, and I really like > everything else (except the first). I don't mean this to sound like I'm > dismissing KID A or AMNESIAC, but I feel like THIEF is the payoff for > their electronic musings in the earlier albums. It meanders a bit for my tastes, but I'm a big fan of BENDS/OK/KID A, so I guess I prefer a more compact radiohead experience... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:55:53 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Fountains of 'Head(s) Michael M: >>On Radiohead, I heard on NPR a man (whose name has slipped my >>mind who's released a CD of Radiohead songs that he's transcribed to >>piano. This type of thing usually feels like a gimmick to me, but the >>samples they played on NPR were just lovely. I heard that, too. I think this worship of Radiohead by non-rock types is getting out of control... there were the various piano arrangements of their songs by Brad Mehldau, the new piano album by that other guy, and I think an fully orchestrated classical take on their stuff too, and every time I hear an interview with someone like Essa Pekka Salonen, they say stuff like "I like rock, too... Radiohead is brilliant, and I also like Radiohead, as well as the new Radiohead album!". They have become the Official Rock Band for Intellectual Non-Rock People to Like or Pretend To Like... the latter-day Talking Heads? That guy on NPRwas gushing about how having three lead guitars was a totally unheard of and revolutionary concept in rock, demonstrating Radiohead's towering genius. Meanwhile various Van Zandt brothers turn in their graves, to say nothing of Moby Grape and Buffalo Springfield. It just kinda bugs that these guys seem not to have listened to any other rock records for years, and yet they're assuming that the one that has the best combination of big sales, media exposure, and rave reviews must really be the best one, and probably the only good one. Whatever. Radiohead's okay. I don't own any of their records because I hear them all the damn time and everyone else I know has everything they've ever done, and for a few years there it seemed I couldn't buy a record by anyone else without a Thom Yorke vocal (which ain't my cuppa melodrama) on it. I remain steadfastly "meh" on them and I just don't think any of their "classic" records have been anywhere near the top of the heap of rock albums released in their various years. They're certainly not as unique or original as everyone makes them out to be. And if they're supposedly "saving rock and roll", they're doing a shit job of it. On a similar but maybe inverse tip, I think some of the animosity directed toward Fountains of Wayne probably has to do with the enormous heap of hype they've received for being average. To my ears, at least, they're not much more engaging than that whole wave of Matchbox-20 alt-lite bands, but somehow, by being less successful, they've become the "best band you've never heard" in Entertainment Weekly. And for some reason it's safer to call Emperor's New Clothes on FOW than Radiohead. Possibly due to Rock Orthodoxy or maybe because Radiohead's actually better. What do I know? - -Rex "Rock Heretic" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of 'Head(s) On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > On a similar but maybe inverse tip, I think some of the animosity directed > toward Fountains of Wayne probably has to do with the enormous heap of hype > they've received for being average. I'm "meh" on the new album, but UTOPIA PARKWAY is just killer, beginning to end. The best album of '99 for me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:58:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of 'Head(s) On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > I heard that, too. I think this worship of Radiohead by non-rock types is > getting out of control... there were the various piano arrangements of their > songs by Brad Mehldau, the new piano album by that other guy, and I think an > fully orchestrated classical take on their stuff too, and every time I hear > an interview with someone like Essa Pekka Salonen, they say stuff like "I > like rock, too... Radiohead is brilliant, and I also like Radiohead, as well > as the new Radiohead album!". They have become the Official Rock Band for > Intellectual Non-Rock People to Like or Pretend To Like... the latter-day > Talking Heads? I like Radiohead a lot, and I do think they're a very fine band...but classical musicians, in my experience, often have abysmal musical taste. I mean, for recreational listening if it's not musicals it's fucking Emerson Lake & Palmer - or religious music. Eeek. (However, my close friend Tonia, who's a violist, is an exception: her two favorite acts are Robyn Hitchcock & XTC. For that, I'll forgive her Depeche Mode and Dead Can Dance.) > That guy on NPRwas gushing about how having three lead guitars was a totally > unheard of and revolutionary concept in rock, demonstrating Radiohead's > towering genius. [bit about Moby Grape, Buffalo Springfield, Lynyrd Skynyrd...] Uh-huh...reminds me of Frank Zappa's experience w/the London Symphony Orchestra. Among other things, it seems they figured any orchestral music written by a "rocker" couldn't possibly be at all challenging...and so didn't bother to really look at it until the recording session. I imagine they were a bit surprised at what they were asked to play...(aside from belching on cue, of course). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ np: that Os Mutantes collection on Byrne's label ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:05:28 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] see, i really didn't forget! I don't know, maybe its because it's the first Paul Kelly album that I heard, but I am always surprised that SO MUCH WATER.... is so reviled. Maybe I am responding to the pretty tunes more than the lyrics on this one? Does anyone know why so many songs on that album are sung from the woman's perspective? I can think of "Sweet Guy", "South of Germany" and the aforementioned "Everythings Turning to White" offhand, and there might be a couple of others? I will agree that UNDER THE SUN is his best though... NP: Lilys - PRECOLLECTION (Not sure what I think of this thing on first listen... might take awhile to sink in. Sure is no Fountains of Wayne, that's fo shizzle) I don't know what it is, but I had gotten hooked on Paul Kelly on his first US album, GOSSIP, and went utterly mad for him with the follow-up UNDER THE SUN (still one of my favorite albums of the late '80s), to the point that I tracked down his earlier Australian-only albums in those pre-Internet days when that was hard to do. Then SO MUCH WATER SO CLOSE TO HOME came out and I listened to it about four times, thought, "Wow, that's really not very good at all," and completely lost interest in Paul Kelly from that moment on. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:11:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Tim Walters wrote: > Flynt isn't saying that anything you can imagine must exist, just that > the realm in which such things do or do not exist is precisely the > realm beyond experience the existence of which is at issue. Therefore > if it's meaningful to talk about things existing outside experience, it > must be true that some things do. He goes on to argue that statements > of this type--that if meaningful must be true--are non-substantive, > i.e., come down to "definitional tricks." I posted before I read the rest of the article at the website - which ends up saying nearly the opposite of what I thought it did. Or not - it's hard to tell. A lot of it seems to rest on assumed definitions of terms that are not at all obviously or clearly defined ("meaningful," "realm," "experience," to name three). Then, I'm not sure how seriously to take him: elsewhere on the page, he attempts to prove - "solely to stir up trouble," he says - that 2=1. As a conceptual artist, he's under suspicion as to "philosophical" motivations... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:19:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] see, i really didn't forget! On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > Does anyone know why so many songs on that album are sung from the woman's > perspective? "Because he felt insecure as a man due to his womanish face and effeminate manners and also because with his age his sexual power was not the same, even though it has never been much"? Oh wait - wrong Paul (and quoting from a hilarious spam taht I realize was forwarded to me personally by a listmember - not to the list as a whole. Well...c'mon, share!). > NP: Lilys - PRECOLLECTION (Not sure what I think of this thing on first > listen... might take awhile to sink in. Lilys songs usually work that way with me. After being kind of "eh" on this one at first, I now like it a lot. The more stripped-down arranging, which at first seemed enervating, now allows the songs more transparency. Plus, he's still writing those odd melodies and chord sequences that make his songs instantly recognizable as his. (Although a couple moents actually remind me of Plasticland, of all people...) Good thing M*rk St*ples isn't here - he might get upset at the spooky Freemasonry symbols decorating the artwork and lyrics. subscribe! help! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:32:33 -0700 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Paul Kelly: Was: see, i really didn't forget! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "nice when we want something" Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] see, i really didn't forget! > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > > > Does anyone know why so many songs on that album are sung from the woman's > > perspective? > > "Because he felt insecure as a man due to his womanish face and effeminate > manners and also because with his age his sexual power was not the same, > even though it has never been much"? Oh wait - wrong Paul (and quoting > from a hilarious spam taht I realize was forwarded to me personally by a > listmember - not to the list as a whole. Well...c'mon, share!). To get back to Paul Kelly, one of the things that he's best at is writing from a woman's voice. "Everything's Turning to White" and "South of Germany" are two of the better examples, both from the same record. And I'm a pretty diehard fan, although some of his stuff is tedious. Each record, though, has one or two really memorable thing: WORDS AND MUSIC has "How to Make Gravy," for example. The title track to DEEPER WATER gives me chills every time. Michael - ------ Michael Zwirn, Policy Analyst Wild Salmon Center mzwirn@wildsalmoncenter.org http://wildsalmoncenter.org (t) 503-222-1804 (f) 503-222-1805 (c) 503-887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:49:59 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] CLIP-At least it's not in Guantanamo RIAA OPENS DETENTION FACILITY FOR SUSPECTED FILE SHARERS Huge Compound Can Handle 3 Million File Sharing Suspects and Their Supporters Mojave, CA /DenounceNewswire (http://www.denounce.com/riaa.html)/ -- 25 July 2003 -- Citing lackluster results in its aggressive Subpoena-the-Family campaign, The Recording Industry Assocation of America, or RIAA, announced today it was escalating the war against music file sharing even higher by opening its massive detention facility in the high desert of Mojave, CA. The facility, designed to indefinitely detain up to three million people suspected of illegally or even legally sharing music files on the Internet, consumes 4,000 acres of the desert region some 70 miles north of Los Angeles. "Our goal is to eliminate the threat these thieves represent to our industry," said RIAA President Cary Sherman. "We don't care if the person is eight, eighteen, or eighty or unaware of the law. If we catch 'em sharing files, we're sending them to jail. Not just any jail. Our jail. We don't even care if they're legally sharing their own personal music files with a family member. We don't care if they're simply transferring their own personal music from their desktop machine to their iPod. If we catch 'em doing it, we'll be there to take them away. But let me be perfectly clear: even if we don't catch 'em doing it, we'll be there to take them away if we so much as suspect they're sharing files, or might like to one day." Human rights advocates and the ACLU are criticizing both the RIAA for opening the facility and the Justice Department for not stepping in to stop the RIAA from proceeding. "What the RIAA is doing is patently unconstitutional," said Anthony Romero, ACLU's Executive Director. "We will not stop until these people are freed and this facility is shut down forever." "Try anything and we'll lock you up as well," countered Sherman, when asked about the threats of lawsuits from the ACLU. "We mean business. Anyone trying to free our detainees will be considered criminals as well, and will be sent to the facility with no plans for release." Asked how the RIAA was able to afford to provide food, clothing, and medical care for up to three million detainees, he told reporters: "We can't. But, hey, they knew the risks. We assume these criminals bring their own food, clothing, and medicine with them. They're on their own." Children, parents, and the elderly are not the only ones being rounded up for incarceration at the facility. Several well-known industry figures are already being detained as well, including Ann Winblad, co-founder of a venture capital firm which invested heavily in Napster; Larry Lessig, a Stanford Law professor who was captured by RIAA stormtroopers right in the middle of a speech he was giving at a recent O'Reilly technology conference; and Michael Robertson, founder of MP3.com, who is not even active in the digital music world anymore, having gone off to launch a Linux software company. "Robertson we nailed just on general principles," said Sherman. Ellen Murray, head of Mothers Against the RIAA (MARIAA), was herself captured and brought to the facility. "Murray was a target of opportunity," Sherman said. "Go up against us, go to jail." Residents of Mojave and the surrounding area are also outraged, citing claims from the RIAA that opening of the facility would mean more jobs and economic activity for the area. So far, that hasn't happened, town officials argue. "We were sold a bill of goods, and the RIAA has let us down," said one official who refused to be identified for fear of being sent to the facility for criticizing the RIAA. Asked about the legality, indeed the morality, of this new detention facility and the mass capture of music enthusiasts now underway, Sherman was unapologetic. "These are not nice people," he said. "Several have publicly stated here their intent to copy a music file before they leave Mojave. We will not give them that satisfaction." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:55:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of 'Head(s) > > That guy on NPRwas gushing about how having three lead guitars was a totally > > unheard of and revolutionary concept in rock, demonstrating Radiohead's > > towering genius. [bit about Moby Grape, Buffalo Springfield, Lynyrd > Skynyrd...] I actually came away with a different impression from all that gushing. I thought he implicitly acknowledged that what they were doing with all the leads had been done before. Though he didn't use the phrase, I remember thinking of Picasso's line, good artists create; great artists steal. So I thought he was saying that Radiohead were drawing on a few things that, while they've been done before, haven't been packaged together in a broadly appealing way. This might be wrong in its own way, of course. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:23:33 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] having a dandy time Many thanks to Dana for pointing out the cheap, factory sealed import Dandy Warhols discs on half.com. Mine arrived today and I'm really groovin' on it. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:04 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] see, i really didn't forget! Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: >NP: Lilys - PRECOLLECTION (Not sure what I think of this thing on first >listen... might take awhile to sink in. > I picked this up in Rochester, and was rather disappointed. I've played it a couple of times since, and while it seems likable while it's playing in places, and just kind of blah in others, it's not sticking with me. I can't hum you or quote you a single line from it. There's just something missing that was there on previous Lily's albums I've heard. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:21:20 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] lilys in 3D (ns) I picked this up in Rochester, and was rather disappointed. I've played it a couple of times since, and while it seems likable while it's playing in places, and just kind of blah in others, it's not sticking with me. I can't hum you or quote you a single line from it. There's just something missing that was there on previous Lily's albums I've heard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, before getting to the lilys, I feel the need to post a warning that's probably not needed. Spy Kids 3D really, really blows, and I say that as someone who loved the first movie. The new one is loud and inelegant, lacks a plot and isn't very funny, but most of all, the 3D is that cheap red/blue kind (I got hopeful and thought it might be the polarized light kind). So, granted, thanks to CGI, there's a lot of cool stuff flying out of the screen, but you'll still end up with one mother of a headache. There are a handful of funny parts that I won't spoil, and the casting is pretty amusing, but consider yourself warned. Lilys: thought it was a total disaster at first, and said so here. Then, after many, many listens, had to admit that I was completely wrong. Great album, but it sure doesn't grab you on first listen. Stick with it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:09:55 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] lilys in 3D (ns) Quoting dana-boy@juno.com: > Lilys: thought it was a total disaster at first, and said so here. > Then, after many, many listens, had to admit that I was completely > wrong. > Great album, but it sure doesn't grab you on first listen. Stick with > it. You know, every once in a while, I completely agree with Dana. And also, every once in a while, I get completely drunk. I'm not sure what the relation between the two is - let's ask Henry Flynt. ..Jeff, victim of Milwaukee's most famous product. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #218 *******************************