From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #216 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, July 24 2003 Volume 03 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Plugz away/labels (Emusic) [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Swap mix received [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap mix received [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap mix received [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] Weenies ["Stefaan Hurts" ] Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios ["Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Plugz away/labels (Emusic) On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 12:16 PM, Dave Walker wrote: > Carpet Musics album (ambient popsongs, > kinda) After posting this I realized that there are two Carpet Musics albums there. It's the second one, "Weekday", that is by far the more appealing. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:08:56 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) Wow, that's weird. I sent an incredibly witty post to the list yesterday, wondering why I can't seem to find any reviews of the new Fountains of Wayne CD that point out just how loathsome it is...and my post vanished. I wonder if this one will too. Literally bleeding music, - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:24:10 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 12:08 PM, Dana Paoli wrote: > Wow, that's weird. I sent an incredibly witty post to the list > yesterday, wondering why I can't seem to find any reviews of the new > Fountains of Wayne CD that point out just how loathsome it is...and my > post vanished. I wonder if this one will too. I've found that smoe.org deepsixes posts that contain the standard spellings of svbscribe, and h*lp, too, I think. Check for those. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:54:55 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) > wondering why I can't seem to find any > reviews of the new Fountains of Wayne CD that > point out just how loathsome it is Go to www.toneandgroove.com and do a search for it (click the "Search The Site" link on the sidebar) and you'll find that I kinda, sorta agree with you. Just got the August issue of ICE and it looks like there's a lot to look forward to in the coming month. The new Neutral Milk Hotel and Guided By Voices discs on the 19th and the Collector's Choice reissue of CYPRESS/AFOOT on the 12th are probably the ones that'll be of most Loudfan interest, but I'm also anticipating the Weakerthans, The Bens (a Folds/Kweller/Lee supergroup), Rachel Sage, Dashboard Confessional, Over The Rhine and Papas Fritas. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:59:08 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) Go*d L*rd. Th*t se*ms a l*ttle extr*me. > From: Dave Walker > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:24:10 -0400 > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) > > On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 12:08 PM, Dana Paoli wrote: > >> Wow, that's weird. I sent an incredibly witty post to the list >> yesterday, wondering why I can't seem to find any reviews of the new >> Fountains of Wayne CD that point out just how loathsome it is...and my >> post vanished. I wonder if this one will too. > > I've found that smoe.org deepsixes posts that contain the standard > spellings of svbscribe, and > h*lp, too, I think. Check for those. > > -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Plugz away/labels (Emusic) On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Dave Walker wrote: > After posting this I realized that there are two Carpet > Musics albums there. It's the second one, "Weekday", > that is by far the more appealing. It's interesting how eMusic makes it easy to follow up on recommendations you don't even think you'll enjoy. (I mean, I'm giving this record a chance, but when you first posted about Carpet Musics I tried the self-titled one and was not even slightly diverted.) I feel like I know more about Dana and Dave's tastes than about those of most of my friends, just because hey, it only takes a minute of my time to hear *exactly* what one of them is talking about. Hm, okay, I agree the second Carpet Music album is better than the first, but still way too ambient for me. Recently downloaded the first two Heatmiser albums from eMusic (spur of the moment -- I have the discs at home, of course) and happily cranked them up. I'm still not sure why I like Dead Air so much -- it doesn't have much, if any, of what made Elliott Smith famous later. It's sort of like how I used to think of Frosted Mini-Wheats as a guilty pleasure, but then I had Frosted Shredded Wheat and realized the only thing to be guilty about with the Mini-Wheats was that they weren't as perfect as the Shredded Wheat kind. So, uh, Nirvana is Frosted Mini-Wheats and Heatmiser are Frosted Shredded Wheat. On second though, maybe it's not such a good analogy. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:20:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V3 #215 Andrea: >>She also nearly made me pass out, I don't even want to >>think of what she would sound like with The Matrix producing >>her, as she jokes about in the interview:-). Can we take that as a sign that her hubby is less than thrilled to be sharing production space on the Liz album with the Matrix, and not getting a damn bit of press for it, the tracks being generally referred to as "Matrix tracks" or "non-Matrix tracks"? It's probably well covered in the digests etc., but does Scott have anything in the pipeline (recording-wise) other than the Aimee duets record? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:10:55 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) In a message dated 7/24/03 8:56:30 AM, cryptosicko@care2.com writes: << The new Neutral Milk Hotel and Guided By Voices discs on the 19th and the Collector's Choice reissue of CYPRESS/AFOOT on the 12th are probably the ones that'll be of most Loudfan interest, but I'm also anticipating the Weakerthans, The Bens (a Folds/Kweller/Lee supergroup), Rachel Sage, Dashboard Confessional, Over The Rhine and Papas Fritas. >> The Let's Active reissue has been in local retailers' bins for a while now (at least in NYC), so you may not have to keep waiting. And it's nice to see that Rachael Sage actually has a fan. At this rate, maybe her millionaire father won't have to keep funding her fabulous indie career. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:18:54 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V3 #215 Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > It's probably well covered in the digests etc., but does Scott have > anything > in the pipeline (recording-wise) other than the Aimee duets record? First, I recommend for your perusal http://www.loudfamily.com. Particularly interesting/amusing/infuriating (ymmv) is the "Ask Scott" feature. Scott seems to have essentially retired, musically, but has gradually been moving more toward a tentative re-engagement with his muse. Or at least that's how I read things...anyone read them differently? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:33:08 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] GbV and the chocolate factory (ns) Just got the August issue of ICE and it looks like there's a lot to look forward to in the coming month. The new Neutral Milk Hotel and Guided By Voices discs on the 19th >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody know about the golden tickets? Catherine's Pita (google it) among other places has the details. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GbV and the chocolate factory (ns) On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Dana Paoli wrote: > Does everybody know about the golden tickets? I didn't, but I do now. Interesting. So when Hardcore UFOs comes out, GBV will have three almost entirely non-overlapping box sets? (The 'greatest hits' disc of the new one will presumably have at least a few songs from Box on it.) That seems like it must be pretty unique in recent history. If the proviso that they be non-coordinated is added (i.e. no "early years" / "middle years" / "late years" series of box sets) it wouldn't surprise me to hear they were the first. Wouldn't surprise me to hear they weren't, either. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:01:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) At 09:59 AM 7/24/2003 -0700, John Cooper wrote: >Go*d L*rd. Th*t se*ms a l*ttle extr*me. Ever wonder why this list isn't deluged with people sending "uns*bscribe" messages that should be sent to majordomo@smoe.org? Or why replies where someone quotes a whole digest back to the list (usually only adding one line themselves!) don't happen here? Safeguards like that are why. A few stray "h*lp" and "wh*" bounces are worth lowering the annoyance factor. IMO, anyway. later, Miles, who has no plans to try the FoW album, given his reaction to the first two ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:02:51 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:01:52 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >Ever wonder why this list isn't deluged with people sending "uns*bscribe" messages that should be sent to majordomo@smoe.org? Or why replies where someone quotes a whole digest back to the list (usually only adding one line themselves!) don't happen here? Safeguards like that are why. A few stray "h*lp" and "wh*" bounces are worth lowering the annoyance factor. IMO, anyway. Although I agree it is worth it to lower the annoyance factor, it still seems sloppy and unnecessary. They should use Mailman. It just looks for administrivia in the first line or subject and (I think) only if there is a single line. I'm suspicious that really whatever software smoe uses isn't quite as picky as was implied. I mean, I can't help mentioning subscribe or unsubscribe sometimes. My guess is that if I do it down here it won't care. Maybe even on separate lines help subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:09:31 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) I also think the senders of blocked messages should get some sort of automated notice. > From: "John Swartzentruber" > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:02:51 -0400 > To: "quercian rosicrucian psychobabble" > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:01:52 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> Ever wonder why this list isn't deluged with people sending "uns*bscribe" >> messages that should be sent to majordomo@smoe.org? Or why replies where >> someone quotes a whole digest back to the list (usually only adding one line >> themselves!) don't happen here? Safeguards like that are why. A few stray >> "h*lp" and "wh*" bounces are worth lowering the annoyance factor. IMO, >> anyway. > > Although I agree it is worth it to lower the annoyance factor, it still > seems sloppy and unnecessary. They should use Mailman. It just looks > for administrivia in the first line or subject and (I think) only if > there is a single line. > > I'm suspicious that really whatever software smoe uses isn't quite as > picky as was implied. I mean, I can't help mentioning subscribe or > unsubscribe sometimes. My guess is that if I do it down here it won't > care. > > Maybe even on separate lines > > help > > subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) > Miles, > who has no plans to try the FoW > album, given his reaction to the > first two Two therories as to Wayne hatin': a) A (well-nigh) subconscious allergic (rage-driven?) reaction to the pure-power-pop lines which ostensibly drive much of the taste amongst list denizens, and b) An enthusiastic shotgun blast for the face of s/he who shall dare re-pose that (rhetorical?) Zappa query "Does Humor Belong In Music?" Ladies and gentlemen, am I right, wrong, or simply crazy? I don't have the new album, but I can safely report from sound samples that "Stacy's Mom" is the finest fake Cars song since Ween's "Now I'm Freaking Out." Wait, nobody here likes them either... Andy "We have a great deal more kindness than is ever spoken. The whole human family is bathed with an element of love like a fine ether. How many persons we meet in houses, whom we scarcely speak to, whom yet we honor and who honor us! How many we see in the street, or sit with in church, whom though silently, we warmly rejoice to be with! Read the language of these wandering eye-beams. The heart knoweth." - --Ralph Waldo Emerson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Mislaid Messages On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, John Cooper wrote: > I also think the senders of blocked messages should get some sort of > automated notice. the listowner/administrator gets the messages in his/her queue with the option to approve and send them on or respond to the party who sent them. It may take a day or two depending on how swamped the listowner is. the listowner can also enable/disable the "administrivia" option, and, since majordomo is open source, the truly ambitious can hack (def 1) the code to change the number of lines checked for suspicious strings (i think it's 6, which allows for "dear whoever: how do i uns*bscribe from this list" and the like). or for that matter, change the list of suspicious strings to check. my very picky (just ask amy, Rog or Miles) friend Greg is rather high on the new FoW, but i'm still skeptical. and i'm amused to see GbV apparently stealing the same idea from Roald Dahl that i stole from Roald Dahl a year or so ago. and my head hurts. prolly a sinus thing. there's a building maintenance guy who seems to hae been trying to change a lightbulb for a couple of hours. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:30:32 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) John Swartzentruber wrote: >Although I agree it is worth it to lower the annoyance factor, it still >seems sloppy and unnecessary. They should use Mailman. It just looks >for administrivia in the first line or subject and (I think) only if >there is a single line. I think smoe's majordomo looks in the first 10 lines -- the list management message I got when I started the Wire list said 5 lines, but I've gotten bounces from accidental administrivia commands on line 9. John Cooper: >I also think the senders of blocked messages should get some sort of >automated notice. I've never looked into setting that up for idealcopy, since typically I sort through its list mail on a daily basis and approve the legit list traffic that bounced to me, the list owner. So I don't know if it can be done with majordomo. I'm sure someone who works more extensively with it than me has the answer. I've also never upped idealcopy's default 7000 character limit, so if things are the same at Loud-Fans, really long posts will also automatically go into limbo. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:29:03 -0500 From: "Strangelight Information" Subject: [loud-fans] New returnee to the list Hi, I'm a new returnee to the list. I've been on and off this list for since 95 when I had an old Power Mac, but I just wanted to say hi to everyone. I used to live in the bay area and go to all the Loud Family Shows there, but awhile back I moved to Houston, TX, so I've seen Loud Family in New Orleans and Austin as well. Since I'm returning, I probably missed out on the discussion, if there was one. Do you guys hear The New Pornographers as the closest thing you can get to The Loud Family these days? When I heard them, LF immediately came to mind. Well, I definitely miss the gatherings of Loud Fans! Jason Smith www.strangelight.cc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > a) A (well-nigh) subconscious allergic (rage-driven?) reaction to the > pure-power-pop lines which ostensibly drive much of the taste amongst > list denizens, and I liked the first FoW album a lot, and thought the second wasn't bad. I never understood what some people found *so* repellent about them. But then, as the web provided me with what I think is a complete set of b-sides from those albums, I was struck by what jackasses they were. "I'll Do The Driving" (like many of the b-sides, a great song in other ways) is all about how stupid the narrator's girlfriend is -- not just all about it, but depending on making fun of the girlfriend for its humor. That was the only one that stuck in my head (it's been a year or two) but, like Ani DiFranco's on-mic breathing, once you notice it it's hard not to have it jump out at you every time you listen to one of their songs. I'm sure there's meant to be affection in a lot of their 'character' songs, but the condescension poisons it. I could be wrong about what they're really like, of course, and I bought the new album hoping it would be catchy enough to be guiltily enjoyable (it wasn't). But I now understand the revulsion they sometimes inspire. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:51:15 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Mislaid Messages > From: dmw > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, John Cooper wrote: > >> I also think the senders of blocked messages should get some sort of >> automated notice. > > the listowner/administrator gets the messages in his/her queue with the > option to approve and send them on or respond to the party who sent them. > It may take a day or two depending on how swamped the listowner is. Part of the problem is that isn't happening at all. When I changed one character in my e-mail address, my posts didn't reach the list at all for two weeks, and I didn't receive any notification. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:52:40 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New returnee to the list > From: "Strangelight Information" > > Do you guys hear The New Pornographers as the closest thing you can > get to The Loud Family these days? When I heard them, LF immediately came > to mind. Welcome back, Jason. For me, it's Ted Leo and the Pharmacists--if you haven't heard "Hearts of Oak" yet, you should! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:06:56 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New returnee to the list > For me, it's Ted Leo and the Pharmacists--if > you haven't heard "Hearts of Oak" yet, you > should! Same here! I actually cited Scott in my review of this album at Tone and Groove (What? That's the *second* time I've hyped my reviewing gig onlist today? Sorry). Leo is definitely one of my favorite discoveries of the year so far. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:06:35 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) a) A (well-nigh) subconscious allergic (rage-driven?) reaction to the pure-power-pop lines which ostensibly drive much of the taste amongst list denizens, and b) An enthusiastic shotgun blast for the face of s/he who shall dare re-pose that (rhetorical?) Zappa query "Does Humor Belong In Music?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Sorry, but I love Ween, and the archives will back me up. Can't wait for Quebec to come out! I don't have a problem w/power pop either, though it's not my first love. I think Aaron gets to the gist of the problem, with special emphasis on "condesenscion" which I think spills out of the lyrics and into the music, to an extent. In my missing post, I think I described it as a Noah Baumbach movie pretending to be a beer commercial. I'm not sure if anyone will know what I mean, but suffice it to say that there's a truly terrifying amount of lower-middle-class hatred in FoW, and I've never been quite clear on why no one calls them on it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:17:20 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) Quoting Miles Goosens : > I've also never upped idealcopy's default 7000 character limit, so if > things are the same at Loud-Fans, really long posts will also > automatically go into limbo. I think I can safely say that Loudfans does *not* have such a limit. With regret, others can probably confirm that I can safely say that. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Robyn Hitchcock "Surgery" live in 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:22:57 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New returnee to the list Quoting John Cooper : > > From: "Strangelight Information" > > > > Do you guys hear The New Pornographers as the closest thing you can > > get to The Loud Family these days? > > Welcome back, Jason. For me, it's Ted Leo and the Pharmacists--if you > haven't heard "Hearts of Oak" yet, you should! Agreed...and amusingly enough, just a few days back, after listening to _Hearts of Oak_ again, I was thinking that in some ways it strikes a midway point between TNP and LF but w/a more stripped-down approach to arranging. I *still* haven't heard the first TL/P album (not the "experimental" one), even though it's on eMusic. I must be lazy, or insane, or both. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:27:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Crap (ns) Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > Two therories as to Wayne hatin': > > I don't have the new album, but I can safely report from sound samples > that "Stacy's Mom" is the finest fake Cars song since Ween's "Now I'm > Freaking Out." > > Wait, nobody here likes them either... The Cars, or Ween? I'll raise my hand as a supporter of the first three Cars albums at least. And I seem to recall that Julianne Overall (if she hasn't re-hidden herself in the woodwork) is a major Ween fan. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New returnee to the list On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I *still* haven't heard the first TL/P album (not the "experimental" one), > even though it's on eMusic. I must be lazy, or insane, or both. doug's handy color-coded guide: the blue one (tyranny of distance) is really good. clear antecedent of "hearts." the red one (treble in trouble) not so much. the green and yellow (experimental) one is severely trying, and for completists only. new porns and ted leo both remind me of his Scottness. - -- d. np saving graces "these stars are for you" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:38:10 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Swap mix received Jon Gabriel, whose mixes I've always liked, recently sent me a CD which is either untitled or titled after the Russian phrase on its cover, "Vsye Dlya Muzyki" (which I guess means something like "everyone for music"). Here's a track listing with some brief comments (I've asterisked songs I was familiar with): Starflyer 59 "Underneath": They've moved pretty far from their early sh*eg*ze days - but they're still a fine band. *Thingy "Mayday": Rob Crow's in more bands than some bands have records. This is the jumpy, spastic one. *Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks "Dark Wave": Jon comments that half the tracks on _Pig Lib_ are kind of conventional, and that this isn't really one of them. I like 'em all the same, and this one too. John Mayer "Kid A": Yes, that John Mayer; and yes, that "Kid A" (redone as a moody acoustic-guitar number). Mum (add a, uh, northeasterly accent over the 'u' - I can never remember the right names) "Green Grass of Tunnel": Unlike Mazzy Star (who titled a record _Among My Swan_), these folks are not native English speakers. Nice, cinematic but subtle arranging. Azure Ray "The New Year": nicely follows the last track in mood and style. Autour de Lucie "Chanson Sans Issue (Ne Vois-Tu Pas)": They're French. On a completely unrelated note, I just read (in Dan Savage's column) that noted idiot Michael Savage is actually named Michael Weiner. Whether that's pronounced "whiner" or "wiener" (that might explain the "sausage" obsession), it's just too appropriate... Paolo Conte "Via Con Me": This is one of those songs that seems to take pop, jazz, and god knows what else and put it in a blender. Half in English, half in Italian, and continuing this disc's international tour. The Polyphonic Spree "Hanging Around the Day": This is the guy who used to be in Tripping Daisy, right? I seem to recall they're from Oklahoma: now if the Starlight Mints get compared to the Flaming Lips just because they're from Oklahoma, even though they sound nothing like the Lips, how come these guys don't? Or maybe they do. The Danielson Famile "We Don't Say Shut Up": Boy are they asking for it with that title, and this singer's voice. But ultimately they're pretty undeniable in their enthusiasm, and the songs are cleverly put together. Kinky "Corn Man": A Mexican band with accordion and a DJ. I know - that might sound appealing - but I'm not quite sure it is yet. *Interpol "Obstacle 1": There's no reason for you not to have this record already. *Pinback "Chaos Engine": This is the more deliberate Rob Crow band, a collaboration with The Other Zach Smith (ex-Three Mile Pilot). Hey, I've got an idea: that Zach Smith should get together with the Tennessee Scott Miller - - now that'd *really* confuse people! The Walkmen "We've Been Had": Ex-Jonathan Fire*Eater, a band that kept getting raved about so much that I ignored them. Then I heard a song or two recently, and I'm thinking I really should have checked them out. The Walkmen don't sound that much like what I've heard of JFE (two tracks so far), but they're good. The Shins "When I Goose-Step": Is this a b-side or sumpin'? _Oh Inverted World_ has two or three songs that are so good that I keep forgetting that the rest of the album's pretty damned good too. Matt Pond PA "Fairlee": I think the band's really named after an early Game Theory record ("Pointless Accounts") but what do I know. Anyway, orch-pop w/o the twee factor - hell, even Miles might like this. Grape Storms "For Myself": Jon describes this as a "perfect pop song." I won't argue - very nice. One of a couple of mp3.com discoveries on this mix. *Oranger "Eggtooth": Another neo-psych band, on Spiral Stairs' (Scott Kannberg, ex-Pavement, current(?) Preston School of Industry) label Amazing Grease (chortle). Psych is a genre that, like power-pop, is fairly easy to do in a mediocre manner, but harder, downright mysteriously so, to do compellingly. Oranger isn't quite up there with Mercury Rev at their peak, but they're pretty damned fine. Lali Puna "Rapariga Da Banheira": That's Portuguese, but they're German, and Jon's from Arizona, and a band from England claims they're a major influence on their album _Kid A_. Yeah, I can hear that. Slovak Girl "East German View of You": They're not Slovak, I don't think they're girls, and they're not East German, but they're from Texas. Another mp3.com find for Jon, and for me (there's more at mp3.com and at their own site, linked therefrom). *Feed "Debaser": From the Japanese (I think) Pixies tribute that someone was talking about last year (it's at eMusic). Your instructions: Listen to the Pixies song once. Live in isolation chamber for three months. Then, be let into recording studio, while headphones play five or six records at once. While they're playing, record cover of once-heard Pixies track. The Danielson Famile "Who Are Parents": I think Jad Fair covered this Shaggs track too. However, instead of weirdo fringe acts covering weirdo fringe acts, I think someone should force Celine Dion's next album to be entirely covers of the Shaggs, Jandek, etc. Remember when Devo did their muzak album? Problem was, it wasn't muzak-y enough. What I'd like to see happen: take an actual Muzak arranger from the sixties (I have an album of muzak songs circa 1966 that's quite a gas: yes, it features photos of guys in white labcoats.) Play him a couple of Residents songs, preferably pre-1982 ones. Inform him that as an anthropological project, he is to utilize Muzak principles in arranging these songs. The rhythmic and harmonic oddities are, he'll be told, normal-sounding to folks in the culture under study, so he shouldn't try to make them regular. I'd like to hear that - esp. if someone could actually acquire a real orchestra to play it. Anyway, thanks, Jon, for another excellent mix. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:50:31 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap mix received At 05:38 PM 7/24/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >The Polyphonic Spree "Hanging Around the Day": This is the guy who used to >be in Tripping Daisy, right? I seem to recall they're from Oklahoma: now if >the Starlight Mints get compared to the Flaming Lips just because they're >from Oklahoma, even though they sound nothing like the Lips, how come these >guys don't? Or maybe they do. Actually, they're from Dallas, which is only almost Oklahoma. But yeah, they get compared to the Flaming Lips all the time, and with good reason. Stewart, who will be listening to David Barnes' disc and posting about it Real Soon Now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:00:42 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap mix received > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > Slovak Girl "East German View of You": They're not Slovak, I don't think > they're girls, and they're not East German, but they're from Texas. Another > mp3.com find for Jon, and for me (there's more at mp3.com and at their own > site, linked therefrom). I really like this band--I've had their demos since someone first mentioned them here months ago, and I'm eagerly awaiting their debut release. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:56:33 +0000 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios First of all, i'm quite proud to point out the Fountains of Wayne review i wrote several weeks ago in anticipation of the character question: http://www.epinions.com/content_103640501892 And indeed, this is a perfect time to bookmark my main page http://www.epinions.com/user-voxpoptart and get recent second opinions on Jim Knipfel's book "Quitting the Nairobi Trio" (a regular recipient of Andy's endorsements), the movie _Lawn Dogs_ (ibid), and the Bleu album _Redhead_ (lately endorsed by glenn). Yes, this post is blatant self-promotion, but it's also Andy-promotion, glenn-promotion, and an assist to Dana's stated needs. Meanwhile, someone here tried and completely failed to get a discussion going about the new Radiohead album. I won't succeed either, but I'll at least say that I think it's their best album yet. They're getting more abstract all the time, which can't be the best way to hold onto their fans, but I think Yorke's hit-to-miss ratio with the lyrics is higher than it's ever been, the songs are danceable, and between Radiohead's and Blur's recent directions I'm finding a lot more to respect in creative abstraction than I used to. Any other _Hail to the Thief_ fans present? cheers, - - Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:08:19 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] pass the dutchie (emusic, ns) Enjoying, as always, people's eMusic recommendations. Has anyone checked out Daryll-Ann yet? Found them via the Johaan connection. I know nothing about them, but I think they'd have some loud-fan appeal. They're in that melodic Beatles/Apples vein. Ok, song #3 "Desmond Don't Go" sounds *a lot* like the Apples, and it's my pick for the try-out track. Still not sure about their label-mates Benjamin B. In a totally different direction, eMusic also has Swans "Feel Good Now" which is sort of their "Walls Have Ears" (i.e. the definitive authorized bootleg). Not sure how it'll sound on mp3, since a thin-sounding Swans would be a waste, but it is...ahem...IOne of the Best Albums Ever Recorded, and probably the best thing they ever did. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:12:56 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios They're getting more abstract all the time, which can't be the best way to hold onto their fans, but I think Yorke's hit-to-miss ratio with the lyrics is higher than it's ever been, the songs are danceable, and between Radiohead's and Blur's recent directions I'm finding a lot more to respect in creative abstraction than I used to. Any other _Hail to the Thief_ fans present? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My friend Justine keeps stealing it from me, but I can say that song #5 "Go To Sleep" (?, I don't have the CD, and I'm not on the internet) is fantastic and one of my favorite things they've ever done. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Brian Block wrote: > than I used to. Any other _Hail to the Thief_ fans present? I'd put it below OK, but above everything else, and I really like everything else (except the first). I don't mean this to sound like I'm dismissing KID A or AMNESIAC, but I feel like THIEF is the payoff for their electronic musings in the earlier albums. I think it was glenn who wrote something to the effect that KID A was one single (Idiotheque) surrounded by a bunch of songs designed to make the single sound great. Now, there's a couple of songs on THIEF that are outstanding (Go to Sleep, There There), but the rest of the songs easily stand on their own. On Radiohead, I heard on NPR a man (whose name has slipped my mind) who's released a CD of Radiohead songs that he's transcribed to piano. This type of thing usually feels like a gimmick to me, but the samples they played on NPR were just lovely. Perhaps because piano is the only instrument I have any competence with, the piano versions seemed to reveal a lot of complexity in the songs that gets hidden (for me) by the instrumentation. Anyway, anyone heard the whole album? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:01:48 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap mix received At Thursday 7/24/2003 05:38 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Jonathan Fire*Eater, a band that kept >getting raved about so much that I ignored them. Then I heard a song or two >recently, and I'm thinking I really should have checked them out. No, you did the right thing. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:25:37 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Weenies On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:27:59 -0500, "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" said: > And I seem to recall that Julianne Overall (if she hasn't re-hidden > herself in the woodwork) is a major Ween fan. I'm a big Ween fan as well! :) They were pretty popular in Belgium at around the time that Voodoo Lady single came out and I fondly remember the concert they did in Antwerp. - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:36:22 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fountains of Nairobi Lawn Trios On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:56:33 +0000, "Brian Block" said: > First of all, i'm quite proud to point out the Fountains of Wayne > review i wrote several weeks ago in anticipation of the character > question: Brian, how does it feel to be trusted by 92 members? ;) - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #216 *******************************