From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #212 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, July 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 212 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Phair to Middlin' [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] FW: [Television-group] TELEVISION'S MOON RISES AGAIN ["Larry ] [loud-fans] Plugz away ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Plugz away [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] this past weekend...the long version [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] this past weekend...the long version [Jeffrey with 2 Fs J] [loud-fans] A shout-out to Rex Broome ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: A shout-out to Rex Broome [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Just checking (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Just checking (ns) [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Phair to Middlin' [Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Phair to Middlin' On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > >>I can't think of a male artist who's changed to a younger image (outside > of > >>minor rock acts who got sent to a stylist) > > Isn't Bowie recording with the Matrix now? He's, um, older than Liz Phair. > And he's done similar things before. True - but he hasn't (I don't think) attempted to make himself look like one of the guys in 'N Sync as well...(please tell me if I'm wrong, so I can state that Bowie's ridiculous for doing so as well). > -Rex, second attempt at first post... And it succeeded! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: one of the Rhino _DIY_ series ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:49:11 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] this past weekend...the long version First man! what a show the Let's Active tribute was. Congrats to Michael Slawter (sometime lurker) for organizing such a cool event that went off near perfectly. I was worried driving into Winston through a hour of rain that the "on the street" outdoor portion of the event would have to be cancelled, but it seemed all the lights were on Mitch this day for the sky cleared enough for the event a couple hours before the show. It was a large turnout downtown, too; probably 500 or so people with little kids dancing to the music in front of the stage. Highlights for me downtown were Tim Lee's band. Tim did songs from his new solo album, the Windbreakers and at least one other I think from an earlier solo album. Faye Hunter and Mitch Easter joined him onstage for "Blue Line". Michael's band the Saving Graces played a great set from what I heard. Sorry Michael but I spent a fair amount of your show catching up with friends. And what a JOY it was to see The Crowd Scene. with Mr. Sharples on drums no less. I just loved their version of "Writing the Book of Last Pages". Nice pick for the tribute Grahame. After Tim's set the events moved two blocks over to The Garage which rapidly filled up as the 10:00 start time approached. The feeling in The Garage was absolutely electric. After two opening bands who were totally new for me the Fiendish Minstrels took the stage and did an entire Let's Active set. It was amazing! Mitch, Shalini and Eric opened with "Flags for Everything" and "Every Dog Has His Day". Then Faye Hunter came out and took over bass duties from Shalini as she switched out onto acoustic. After an introduction where it was mentioned that the next song was actually co-written by Faye and not as mistakenly credited on albums to Angie Carlson, they launched into "Horizon". Faye commented that she literally had not played since 1988, but she did well and it was great seeing her on stage again. Now that energy was really up they played "Every Word Means No" after a brief intro of the opening to Zeppelin's "Dazed and Confused". Then honoring Michael's request because no one covered it on the tribute "Edge of the World". Mitch's quip after the song was "I had to use every jangle muscle in my body on that one." The show ended appropriately for me anyway with on of my favorite Let's Active song "Ornamental". Yep me too, Chris. The song closed with a teaser to play more with Mitch doing the guitar bridge from Zeppelin's "Heartbreaker". My good friends in Velvet had the unfortunate task of having to follow up this amazing set, but I think they played the best show I've ever seen from them and kept most of the crowd from leaving. Glad you enjoyed them Miles. Jay is indeed a phenomenal guitar player and Jane has more energy than any human I know. They closed their show asking Mitch to help out on "Bad Machinery" which he obliged. When the band went into the Fidelitorium this past winter to record their next album they recorded a phenomenal 14 songs in one day! so they really can rise to the occasion as indeed they did again. Ending the night with a blast was an explosive set from King Kilowatt with the most rocking version of "Mr. Fool" you're ever likely to hear. And just when you thought their set was done, as everyone's had ended with a Let's Active tune, they launched into a great cover of a GbV's "Cut-Out Witch". I hope I'm right there doug? Favorite quote of the evening? Faye Hunter during her appearance with the Fiendish Minstrels, "I'm usually asleep by now. .... They're gonna send out the bus from the rest home to pick me up." What made the weekend even more special for me was seeing the night before, Paula Carino and her husband Dave Wechsler in a small coffee house in Chapel Hill along with Roger Winston and Miles Goosens. It was more like a living room show due to the light attendance and intimate setting. Nice to hear some new songs from Paula and I picked up a copy of Dave's Pinataland CD which is not yet "officially" released. Both were really good shows. What a blast it was to meet for the first time Miles, Roger, Paula, Grahame, Anne, doug, Amy, and John. And, it was nice as always to see Chris and ana again, and Michael, you too if you're lurking. What a great bunch of folks! The memories of this weekend are gonna be with me for a LONG time. look for the DVD...... ;-) Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:54:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] In defense of Liz Phair (from a woman's point of view) John Cooper: > Really, this list is just about the very last place on earth I'd > look for a balanced response to an article claiming gender bias among > rock critics. Virtually every female subscriber to Loud-Fans has either > been pissed off, or left, or both. I sure don't blame them. ??? Virtually every subscriber to Loud-Fans of any sex has been pissed off at one time or another. And off the top of my head I can think of over half a dozen women on the list, most of whom have been here for quite some time - myself, I think I'm somewhere around 10 years, which I find kind of mind-boggling. Jen Grover, Brianna, and Andrea post regularly; Julianne, Elizabeth Brion, very rarely Janet, and I are certainly here though discussions rarely flush us out of lurker mode. I dare say there are some others I'm not thinking of at the moment, and yet more that I don't know because they never post at all. It's true that that's hardly gender parity compared to the number of male listers who post either actively or occasionally, but I certainly don't feel that the discourse here is so masculine that I don't feel comfortable speaking up just because of my sex. Myself, I don't post unless I think I have something worth saying in a thread that actually interests me, and I'm afraid those threads are few and far between - Liz Phair's new album, and Dana's weird obsession with its chart status, doesn't make the cut. (I write slowly and carefully, and this editor is pretty clumsy, so more often than not it's not worth the work to me.) However, I'm still here and only rarely pissed off (and when I am, it's not usually about gender bias, either among our little crowd of amateur rock critics or in the greater world.) Charity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:02:58 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Phair to Middlin' >>Isn't Bowie recording with the Matrix now? He's, um, older than Liz Phair. >>And he's done similar things before. > > True - but he hasn't (I don't think) attempted to make himself look like > one of the guys in 'N Sync as well...(please tell me if I'm wrong, so I > can state that Bowie's ridiculous for doing so as well). He probably would if he could. And Liz can, mutatis mutandis. If Liz is really being slagged because she's a woman, it wouldn't be that weird. Like any social movement, the woman's movement tends to discourage behavior that it thinks is injurious to its mission. In some sense Liz is a good feminist, but she has always liked to disport herself in ways that naturally make some people think she's setting the cause of women back 30 years. I actually don't know if gender issues are the central ones here, but I do think that rock 'n' roll culture is a little too sensitive to the sell-out concept, that it requires a little too much unity of persona and music, that it takes too many circumstantial data into account when evaluating the actual work. Granted that Liz is a strange person, but this is true of many good artists. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:07:10 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] FW: [Television-group] TELEVISION'S MOON RISES AGAIN Of high interest to the Television fans out there. Larry TELEVISION'S MOON RISES AGAIN Rhino Releases Expanded, Remastered Marquee Moon And Adventure, While Rhino Handmade Releases Live At The Old Waldorf On September 23 LOS ANGELES - One of the most influential rock bands of the last 30 years will finally get the recognition it deserves when Rhino Records releases Television's MARQUEE MOON and ADVENTURE in expanded and remastered form on September 23. Both titles' booklets are loaded with unseen photos, lyrics and liner notes by experimental guitarist Alan Licht. In addition, Rhino Handmade will release LIVE AT THE OLD WALDORF on the same date. Television's 1977 debut album, MARQUEE MOON, immediately earned critical raves and inspired a number of musicians and bands. Tom Verlaine's vocals and fret work, Richard Lloyd's angular guitar playing, and Billy Ficca and Fred Smith's halting, unexpected drum and bass work all combined to reassert a guitar-based music during a time when soft-rock and disco ruled the airwaves. The band also ventured