From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #202 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, July 12 2003 Volume 03 : Number 202 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) [Dave Walker ] [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers, Lola's Room 7/7/03 [Richard Gagnon ] [loud-fans] Pernice Bros., etc. ["Douglas Stanley" ] RE: [loud-fans] Phairwatch2003(ns) ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] anybody heard [dmw ] [loud-fans] Another genius rock critic (and more Friday fun) [Steve Holte] Re: [loud-fans] Nada Surf [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Another genius rock critic (and more Friday fun) [Options] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) From: Stewart Mason > the full visual experience something akin to Photo Robert's yahoogroups page, where everyone has access to some server space to post and view photos. hmm www.loudfansphotos.com might be cool? folders by individual and theme (live music/loudfan gatherings/reviews/links)? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > issues) and at least one of us still usually reads her email in PINE > through a Telnet connection, under which circumstances a picture file reads > as several hundred lines of &%*#$&%*(#$*#$*Q&Q($_$__{"{)(#&$(%&#(*#. another of us reads mail with PINE through an ssh connection. go ahead and laugh, but you don't hear of a lot of viruses being spread through PINE, do you? > A compromise for those who want the full visual experience would be > something akin to Photo Robert's yahoogroups page, where everyone has > access to some server space to post and view photos. I could do this pretty easily, although not this week or next. I have a protected loudfamily space anyway with bio info on many of hte loudfans , and I can allocate more space when I finish moving mwmw.com to its new home. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:09:42 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) Does anyone else think a Loud Fans wiki would be a great idea? It could encompass the photo thing, as well as being a great way to handle things like lyric annotations and the like. I'd be willing to prototype it, though I don't really have a reliable chunk of space to host it. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:14:24 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers, Lola's Room 7/7/03 Michael, thanks for the wonderful concert review...I'd argue that "Sometimes I Remember", while "astonishingly Cures-y", also manages to be very Echo & The Bunnymen-y. "Bring on the Dancing Horses", in this case. Anyway, I'm trying to swell the size of the Pernice Bros' crowd in Montreal, where they are even less known than they might be in Portland. I volunteered to poster the town, but all I got was seven posters, which I parceled out for maximum efficiency in the local record stores, two of which actually carrying the thing. None of the big chains even have the Pernice's new one... Going further, I even did a little poster for the show which I'm going to plaster all over. We'll see if that helps. A record store owner I spoke to said that they'd sold ten tickets...but the advertising is picking up. I'd have to see that show canceled, obviously. Here's the french version of my poster: http://www.richardgagnon.com/PerniceMtl.pdf And what did Julianne think of the Lola's room show? Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, dmw wrote: > another of us reads mail with PINE through an ssh connection. > > go ahead and laugh, but you don't hear of a lot of viruses being spread > through PINE, do you? Count me in as a PINE user, both at home & at work. I can check my mail anywhere I can open a telnet session. Very useful when travelling, esp. now that so many libraries have Internet access. So another "No" to sending pics over the list. "Yes" to a web site, although a Wiki-based one might be a bit much to navigate & operate. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:50:18 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Pernice Bros., etc. Thanks Michael for the splenid review. I missed the PB's show here - it was on July 4th and my daugther, although she has memorized the words their entire first album, had her mind set on fireworks. I am curious as to why we haven't been discussing their latest album, Yours Mine & Ours. I guess there must not be much to discuss - it's a fantastic album. Easily as good as anything Joe Pernice has done. Of note: They took what I thought was already a perfect pop song (Number Two) and vastly improved it. I'm also wonder what people are thinking of the new Grandaddy? It sounds pretty good, but like any Grandaddy album, it's going to take a while to settle in, and with the new Pernice Brothers (and my recent Pavement fixation) hogging the CD changer, it's going to have to wait. Obviously, it's going to be hard to compare with their last one, The Sophtware Slump. Of course, any judgement on the New Liz Phair has been postponed as well. Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:02:30 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] how many loudfans can you fit in a weekend? Wow!, I just found out Paula Carino is gonna be in town briefly on her way to a NC Outer Banks vacation and will be playing with her husband at a small coffee shop in town next Friday night. Between that and the Let's Active tribute shows the following night I'm gonna see more loudfans that weekend than I've seen in all my years on the list put together. I'm happy for myself. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:43:17 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Phairwatch2003(ns) I thought Liz might possibly pull something out of a hat this week, but this week she dives to #57. Maybe they ought to rush out a CD of her unreleased demos + the new EP and try to salvage this apparent debacle. Imagine if Liz were to just admit that this pop star thing was a lousy idea, that hey, everyone goofs, she's really sorry, she was drunk when she met that marine, and she'll never do it again. I sense a large number of fans ready to welcome her back with open arms. Price the demos + EP CD at $9.99 and I'll bet she'd top the first week chart position of "Liz Phair." Currently she has lots of publicity but no product, so fix the equation. Or, put all that stuff on iTunes and dominate their charts for the next few months, resulting in more publicity. Just a thought. Maybe her renowned live shows will do the trick instead. Or maybe Ventolin will use "Why Can't I" in their next ad campaign, sparking massive interest. Kevin Shields sighting: http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1931234 - --dana, praying that this will never happen to me: http://in.news.yahoo.com/030624/43/25eim.html ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:29:09 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Phairwatch2003(ns) |-----Original Message----- |From: Dana Paoli [mailto:dana-boy@juno.com] |Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:43 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: [loud-fans] Phairwatch2003(ns) | | |I thought Liz might possibly pull something out of a hat this |week, but this week she dives to #57. Maybe they ought to |rush out a CD of her unreleased demos + the new EP and try to |salvage this apparent debacle. Imagine if Liz were to just |admit that this pop star thing was a lousy idea, that hey, |everyone goofs, she's really sorry, she was drunk when she met |that marine, and she'll never do it again. I sense a large |number of fans ready to welcome her back with open arms. |Price the demos + EP CD at $9.99 and I'll bet she'd top the |first week chart position of "Liz Phair." Currently she has |lots of publicity but no product, so fix the equation. Or, |put all that stuff on iTunes and dominate their charts for the |next few months, resulting in more publicity. You know, it would made sense to me if the EPs songs were swapped for the Matrix ones and that the EP was the Matrix mixes. I actually find myself liking "Jeremy Engle" more than anything on LIZ PHAIR. |--dana, praying that this will never happen to me: | | http://in.news.yahoo.com/030624/43/25eim.html Now THAT is scary! Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:36:51 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how many loudfans can you fit in a weekend? At 01:02 PM 7/11/2003 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: >Wow!, I just found out Paula Carino is gonna be in town briefly on her >way to a NC Outer Banks vacation and will be playing with her husband at >a small coffee shop in town next Friday night. Incidentally, Paula's husband's band, Pinataland, has a remarkable debut album out, SONGS FOR THE FORGOTTEN FUTURE VOLUME ONE. Oddly-arranged chamber-pop with a feel akin to early Tom Waits in spots. Amusingly, I only found out the guy was married to Paula when she found a review I'd written of the album and told me. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:50:23 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: [loud-fans] Nada Surf Just heard a Nada Surf song in a coffeehouse and got interested. The guy behind the bar said the album came out a month ago. Is he talking about LET GO, which looks as if it came out last year in some form? - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] anybody heard the expanded version of sonic youth's _dirty_? man, i dig it. the bonus disc is mostly 8 track rehearsal recordings of early versions of most of the tracks that wound up on dirty, but with no vocals. i feel like it would be easier for me to love sonic youth completely and without reservation if they were an instrumental band. there are certainly some tracks that venture deep into jammy wanky territory, and one in particular that falls apart badly enough that i woulda faded before the trainwreck -- but then, their actual songs do that sometimes too, and even the wanky/borderline incoherent bits have a -- it's hard to find the right word -- that *comfortable* sense of people who know each other's styles well enough to play through the experimentation - -- it's very organic. me likey. cheap substitutes: lyrically, not a bit of it, but i think the new porn's melodic sensibility is often very Scotty. esp. "my slow descent into alholism" the chorus and the bridgey bit thereafter. "salvation hold out central whoah-oh" is even *sung* in a way that reminds me forcibly of his Scottness. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:42:46 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Another genius rock critic (and more Friday fun) There's an piece in this week's East Bay Express about Robot Rock Critic, another automated music review site. http://tinyurl.com/gocv This site (http://www.inksyndicate.com/rock) can't be stumped, because its content doesn't need to be validated by amazon.com. Just enter an artist name, genre, and whether its a band, a male solo artist, or a female, and it will generate an album title and review for you, culled from various Rolling Stone reviews. inksyndicate.com also features a Mel Gibson movie generator and a weblog that writes itself (different applications for the same technology). Someone should come up with a bot that generates random loud-fans posts from the escribe archives, so humans can just lurk and follow the threads without having to contribute anything. We could even set loud-fans from different eras against each other (M.Breen vs. M. Staples), then sit back and watch the fireworks! Am I the only old timer wondering what Mike Breen thinks about the new Liz Phair album? Probably.. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:11:04 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Nada Surf Dan Salitt asked: >Just heard a Nada Surf song in a coffeehouse and got interested. The guy >behind the bar said the album came out a month ago. Is he talking about >LET GO, which looks as if it came out last year in some form? LET GO wasn't given a US release till late last winter, which is still aways from last month. In any case, it's one of my favorite records of the year so far and well worth seeking out. b.s. n.p. Dwight Yoakam POPULATION ME ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:35:08 EDT From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Another genius rock critic (and more Friday fun) In a message dated 07/11/2003 12:46:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, smholt@ix.netcom.com writes: > http://www.inksyndicate.com/rock It's not nearly as aggresively hostile as the other site, but it does provide a substantial number of laughs (if not more than a few moments of eyebrow-raising oddness). I do have to agree that Steve Wynn's "...and then there was Steve Wynn" is a great record. Oh, here's the skinny on the Game Theory reunion album, taken from the Robot Rock Critic site: Game Theory We're Back Buy this LP 1993 1/2 Never before has a band taken as many chances in the studio as Game Theory. Game Theory offers more of the usual ho-hum, playful blue-eyed soul on this one. Game Theory's attempt to broaden their sound -- even integrating Serbian war hymns with the bad attitude of the R.E.M.-lite "Love Games" -- isn't entirely an artistic success. No surprises here. When I was in high school, everyone I knew listened to Game Theory. "A Demon Licked My Stamp" illustrates the culpability of those who fight to destroy humanity. Most of the time, Game Theory can't shake its reputation for being competent. These guys are apparently very sensitive. It's the end of the world as they know it, and they feel fine. Our readers respond Dear Robot,Your review of Game Theory was dead wrong. Sometimes you just have to enjoy a good rock album for what it is. We're Back is the record of the year. Your magazine sucks. Game Theory forever,-- Game Theory fan Uh...enjoy, I guess... MIke Bollman ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #202 *******************************