From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #201 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, July 11 2003 Volume 03 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] is he a radical vegetarian? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] cheap substitute (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] cheap substitute (ns) [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] cheap substitute (ns) ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] reach (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] reach (ns) [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] reach (ns) ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] the psychology of music taste [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers, Lola's Room 7/7/03 [michael@zwirn.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:01:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] is he a radical vegetarian? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=230709108&prov=ap What's weird isn't that the Brewers won - that's just unusual. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:05:09 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] is he a radical vegetarian? >http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=230709108&prov=ap This incident has led to the worst set of pun-filled headlines since the Sammy Sosa corked bat incident ("Sosa uncorks home runs upon return.") For example: "One Pirate has beef with Racing Sausages" "Pirate grilled after whacking sausage" At least it's better than a headline proclaiming "Britney Spears is not a vrigin." _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:17:20 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] is he a radical vegetarian? Quoting Aaron Milenski : > >http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=230709108&prov=ap > At least it's better than a headline proclaiming "Britney Spears is not a > vrigin." I'm just glad you didn't make any more sausage jokes here. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:42:15 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] is he a radical vegetarian? On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:17:20 -0500, "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" said: > Quoting Aaron Milenski : > > At least it's better than a headline proclaiming "Britney Spears is > > not a vrigin." > > I'm just glad you didn't make any more sausage jokes here. Wait! How 'bout "Britney speared by sausage"? :) - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:29:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Cheap Chick! From the Cheap Chick (a Cheap Trick all female tribute band's) website.Wacky fun going on in L.A.: Tuesday July 15th. > > Stoking the K-Tel inferno that night will be The Negro Problem > performing as The Cover Problem, doing "The Cover Problem's Super > Smash Hits." Taking the audience through The > Beatles, Madonna, The Bee Gees, Michael Jackson and beyond, Stew > and > Heidi deconstruct top 40, using their alchemy to turn pop hits into > > rock anthems and heavy prog into bubblegum. Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:30:04 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] cheap substitute (ns) Lately I've been thinking that, at present, the lilys make the best substitute for the loud-family. Both bands feature complicated but ultimately catchy guitar chords/hooks, questionable vocals, difficult lyrics and ugly cover art. Until something better comes along, that's my story. Actually, though, I was writing because the band Deerhoof have gotten a fair amount of attention lately, but I just can't make myself like their start-stop, herky-jerky, squeaky-voiced, art-damaged rock. Just the other day, though, I discovered that the eMusic band (who've been around a while, apparently) Kaito (or KaitO?) take many of Deerhoof's ingredients but mix them into something much more melodically appealing. Allmusic compares them to Blonde Redhead, Sonic Youth, the Clinic etc. Zzzzzzz. Anyway, the eMusic album is kind of fun. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cheap substitute (ns) - --- Dana Paoli wrote: ....ugly cover art. My vote for ugliest LF cover would have to be IBC. Poll time! Gil ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno > SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:48:55 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cheap substitute (ns) I dunno, I think P&B&R&T is pretty damn ugly. Then again, I think the covers for TTOOL, DFD and AN are actually kinda cool. Jer np: Admiral Twin, CREATURES OF BREAD & WINE Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reach (ns) > I didn't know that was a rare saying - I grew up around old ladies who > bandied it about. I believe the correct usage is, "Pardon my > boarding-house reach." Wondering if I'm past the last generation that'll even remember boarding houses. Or milkmen--no wait, they still have those in the south, Andy "So, this guy died just last week..." - --Gael Martin last night in Dante's, as the jukebox fired up Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:03:24 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reach (ns) At 10:59 AM 7/10/2003 -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >Or milkmen--no wait, they still have those in the south. Still have 'em in the north, too. There's a local dairy that delivers here in Boston. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:32:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reach (ns) Stewart said: > Still have 'em in the north, too. There's a local dairy that > delivers here in Boston. I wish. I checked out their web site, since they've been pimping the place (as a corporate sponsor) on the local NPR station. It turns out that they deliver to a fairly wide circle *around* Boston, and loud-fans who live in Cambridge, Brookline, Watertown, Newton, Arlington, etc. may be in luck, but they don't come into Boston itself.... Charity ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reach (ns) > I wish. I checked out their web site, since they've been pimping the > place (as a corporate sponsor) on the local NPR station. It > turns out that they deliver to a fairly wide circle *around* > Boston, and loud-fans who live in Cambridge, Brookline, Watertown, > Newton, Arlington, etc. may be in luck, but they don't come into > Boston itself.... In the immortal words of John Lennon, "that's bloody stupid." Phone booths, who remembers actual stand-in'em phone booths... Andy "So, what is this person's...problem, exactly?" "Her problem [indicating woman standing at jukebox] or the guy singing the song?" "The...person, who is...ah...performing this...selection, I'm not going to go so far as to use the word, singing, but the, ah, performer..." "Well he's obviously got some deep-seated issues and he's decided to express them musically." "He should turn to music." - --me and Steve Northfield on "Warm Leatherette" by the Normal, last night at Dante's ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] the psychology of music taste An Australian article about research on the correlation between personality and musical taste: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/10/1057783259813.html And the (dense, technical) paper it's based on: http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/faculty/Gosling/reprints/ jpsp03musicdimensions.pdf I find this kind of stuff fascinating. It's easy to start to pick nits with the study (and while I haven't read all the text yet, if you look at the chart on page 15 it appears that the correlations they came up with are by and large not significant) and yet on the other hand, they don't seem to have a particular axe to grind. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:46:38 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) This is probably a stupid question, but keep in mind that I'm one of the less technological people on this list. I've been reading the I Love Music thing lately (http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newquestions.php?board=2) and noticing that the ability to post images to threads can actually be useful on occasion. I see that to do that on their board involves linking to a web hosted image. ILX isn't an email situation, though, which probably makes a big difference. Is it possible or desirable to do something like that here? I used to think that it was only good for allowing Mark Staples to post pictures of himself delivering pizza, but I'm beginning to see that it can be used for good as well. They have a cute thread making fun of album covers that doesn't really work if you can't see the album covers. Wow, Steve Malkmus and his Jicks are playing free at Prospect Park next week. And Spoon play for free at Castle Clinton the week after that. I think. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:31:11 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cheap substitute (ns) Quoting Gil Ray : > --- Dana Paoli wrote: > ....ugly cover art. > > My vote for ugliest LF cover would have to be IBC. > Poll time! A lot of the LF albums have great ideas but questionable execution. Examples: the crammed-in print for the lyrics on IBC, the choice of red print on AN, and something about some of the picture layout in the "comic" w/DFD just doesn't seem right to me. But then, I rather like the cover of IBC, so what the hell do I know? And the cover of TTOOL is pretty damned brilliant. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:43:01 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pictures (ns) At 07:46 PM 7/10/2003 -0400, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >Is it possible or desirable to do something like that here? I used to >think that it was only good for allowing Mark Staples to post pictures of >himself delivering pizza, but I'm beginning to see that it can be used >for good as well. They have a cute thread making fun of album covers >that doesn't really work if you can't see the album covers. I would argue that it's not desirable, if for no other reason than most of us still have dialup connections (making the transfer of even small images a pain), many of us read the list at work (which usually involves firewall issues) and at least one of us still usually reads her email in PINE through a Telnet connection, under which circumstances a picture file reads as several hundred lines of &%*#$&%*(#$*#$*Q&Q($_$__{"{)(#&$(%&#(*#. A compromise for those who want the full visual experience would be something akin to Photo Robert's yahoogroups page, where everyone has access to some server space to post and view photos. S NP: "Moons" -- R. Stevie Moore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers, Lola's Room 7/7/03 It's rare that four standards are met or exceeded at the same show: great songs, great performances, great sound and a great audience. The Tuesday night Pernice Brothers gig at the Crystal Ballroom's intimate Lola's Room met all these standards, and is my highwater mark for live performance so far this year. Joe Pernice, an impressively articulate and thoughtful man, seemed genuinely touched by the enthusiasm of the small crowd at the Lola's room, and positively overwhelmed by the immaculate sound -- every note of the two lead guitarists was perfectly clear, as well as the lead and backing vocals, and the volume was perfectly balanced. But without the strength of his songs, and the band's performance, the audience and the sound system would have been irrelevant. The more I listen to the Pernice Brothers catalogue, from their Sub Pop debut to the self-released Yours, Mine and Ours, the more his songwriting impresses me. From the alternately combative and self-defeatist songs from his Scud Mountain Boys days, he's absorbed lessons of Big Star, the Zombies, and Brian Wilson most obviously, but perhaps less intuitively, the lessons of the Cure and the Smiths. Overcome by Happiness, the Pernice Brothers debut, was a gorgeous, lush, orchestrally instrumented record of pop songs that was almost a total bummer. He had mastered the ability to wrap a beautifully sung melody around lyrics of nearly complete despair. But the past two proper Pernice Brothers albums, The World Won't End and Yours, Mine and Ours have moved in the direction of power pop, and the Lola's Room show was a superb demonstration of how well his songs can work in that style. It's one thing to write great pop songs like The World Won't End's "Bryte Side" or the new "Weakest Shade of Blue," but another thing to imbue them with lacerating wit, wistful ambivalence, or melodrama on the level of a Todd Haynes film. Pernice has achieved that rare balance of tunefulness and meaningfulness. "Working Girls" touchingly portrays a life spent contemplating better opportunities that aren't ever reached. "Completing suicide / or a graduate degree" is the kind of choice only someone with an academic background would pose. "She Brightened Everything" and "Waiting for the Universe" are almost twinkly in their melodicism, yet for every ooh and ahh in the backing vocals and chiming guitar line there was an emotionally devastating lyric. Tuesday's show was notable for the direct rock instrumentation of the songs, even the more artful numbers from Overcome by Happiness. For some bands, this might reveal awkwardness or clumsiness that can be mitigated by some well-placed cellos (and Overcome by Happiness had plenty of cello). But the performance of the band, including simpatico visiting members from other Brooklyn bands, was superb. With Pernice himself alternating between electric and acoustic guitar, and Thom Monahan on bass as usual, the touring band was augmented by James Walbourne on keyboards and additional guitar and drummer Pat Berkery. With 12-string guitar newly prominent in the band's sound, the Byrds comparison I made for their October 2001 show is more apt than ever. "Sometimes I Remember" was astonishingly Cures-y, with Pernice strumming acoustic guitar energetically in front of some very new wavey lead guitar. The band did something like 25 songs, leaning heavily on The World Won't End and Yours, Mine and Ours, but also doing the old Scud Mountain Boys' "Grudge Fuck," which notably has not a single cuss word in its lyrics, and popped-up renditions of Overcome by Happiness' "Monkey Suit" and "Crestfallen," and that album's title track. One of the most startling pieces was a wholly faithful and enthusiastic cover of the Pretenders' "Talk of the Town." The band -- far more popular in Europe than in the United States -- will open some shows for Chrissie Hynde, and Pernice is hoping to get her to sing with them. Of the voluminous setlist (admittedly, most songs are a straightforward 3:00 or 3:30 in length), only a few pieces didn't quite click ("The Ballad of Bjorn Berg," "How to Live Alone"). But otherwise the crowd was enraptured, dancing in front of the stage and singing along to Pernice's beautiful misery, in a thoroughly memorable evening. By the way, if you're looking for a definition of "critic's darlings," check out the unending streams of praise at www.pernicebrothers.com/press.shtml. And yet lots of people have never heard of them! Michael J. Zwirn http://www.zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #201 *******************************