From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #199 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, July 9 2003 Volume 03 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] new yorker thing (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] new yorker thing (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Clientele,Tyde(ns) ["RichardBlatherwick" ] Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] secret history (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) ["John Swartzentruber" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:15:42 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] new yorker thing (ns) This article seems well suited for this list: http://newyorker.com/critics/music/?030714crmu_music So, the new Dandy Warhols album often sounds almost exactly like Laptop, though I doubt that this is going to get mentioned in most reviews. I'm really liking it, but it's also the most disposable thing they've ever released. The cover art, which is both clever and obvious, sort of sums up the album. - --dana np: Miles Davis/"Kind of Blue" inspired by watching the Miles Davis DVD last night. We also watched "Just Married" which was every bit as funny as I had expected it to be. (I had expected it to be pretty funny). ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:15:16 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new yorker thing (ns) Quoting Dana Paoli : > This article seems well suited for this list: > > http://newyorker.com/critics/music/?030714crmu_music Man, does that piece need an editor! Not because it's longish (it is _The New Yorker_, after all), but because it's, well, confused. At first, I was thinking, "this guy knows just enough to be really stupid about both 'pop' music and academic approaches," but then it becomes apparent he knows more than that. But what the first part of the article suggests is that he's unsure how he wants to be regarded by the cool kids, with the back of his mind remembering he's writing for _The New Yorker_. So he can't decide whether to show off (by dismissing) his knowledge of the surface of a handful of academic fads, or toss them entirely while genuflecting at the altar of cool, or (as he later does) pretty much diving in and doing his own quasi-academic analysis. Why is it so hard for folks approaching academic studies of popular music (and the guy's statement about "happening to be popular" misses the point...since a lot of pop-music studies study music that isn't at all popular) to recognize that some of the people doing it will be idiots, some geniuses, just like practitioners of music itself - and that dismissing (or praising) the concept as a whole is invariably pointless? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:08:50 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Automated bootlegs! I haven't tried this yet, but it sounds fascinating: No-registration-required NYTimes link: http://tinyurl.com/gc2c -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:54:09 +0100 From: "RichardBlatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Clientele,Tyde(ns) One of ther great things about Felt for me is that you could never be certain what you'd get from one album to another. The early stuff plods a fair bit, very effectively and moodily, imo, but still not all that fast apart from the occasional single, such as Penelope Tree. Then they went a bit more up tempo and jangly for Strange Idols Pattern, followed that up with the Robin Guthrie produced Ignite the Seven Canons, which had major Cocteau Twins influences in places. The albums they issued on Creation later included some glorious, if fairly standard, indie stuff; the album of 2 halves, Pictorial Jackson Review, quick and sometimes jangly opening side followed by moody instrumental side containing only a couple of tracks; the excuse for buying a vibes machine. Train above the City, which Lawrence isn't even on; the grand finale of Me and a Monkey on the Moon, and I've not even mentioned the album that many consider their masterpiece, Forever Breathes the Lonely Word. The emphasis changed over time from Maurice Deebank's guitar to Martin Duffy's keyboards, back to the twin lead guitars of Neil Scott and someone else who's name I forget, but there was a Lloyd in there somewhere. They produced their share of crap too, but were never boring, unless you didn't like long instrumental passages. Richard ps Saw Steve Wynn doing his solo acoustic thing last night. He came across really well and did a nicely balanced set with a couple of songs form the first 2 Dream Syndicate albums as well as a load from his solo outings. we were also lucky enough to have a long chat with him before the gig about music and mis-named pizzas! As ever he was a pleasure to talk to. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Mandel" To: "Dana Paoli" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Clientele,Tyde(ns) > On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Dana Paoli wrote: > > > Second mellow band is the Tyde, who seem to be part of a slowly > > growing revival of a certain indie side of the 80s. Im told that > > they sound like Felt, but Ive only heard bits and pieces of that band  > > Ill be picking up the reissues any day now. > > There's a lot of bad Felt out there, and even the good Felt I heard didn't > seem worthy of the adulation the band seems to draw; for example, the hit > "Penelope Tree", which I did like enough to play on my radio show a few > times over the years, always sounded like a so-so Cars track to me. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:21:36 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) Okay, raise your hands if you've ever wanted to hear Manic Street Preachers (or any band, for that matter) cover Take The Skinheads Bowling. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009ND8F/026-2884178-3825207 glenn, are you getting this? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:22:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009ND8F/026-2884178-3825207 Two-thirds of the way down the front page at staybeautiful.net, Nicky Wire says, "'Lipstick Traces' by Greil Marcus was one of our favourite books. It's about what we're force-fed these days and told to like, and compares 13th century monks to John Lydon. We always loved pop theory. It kind of fits the album. Its subtitle 'A Secret History' refers to Donna Tartt. Two great works of literature in one title!" I don't have my copy on hand right now but I would have sworn the phrase "secret history" was somewhere in a subtitle of epigram to Marcus's book too. Hm. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:34:22 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) > From: Aaron Mandel > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:22:04 -0400 (EDT) > To: Roger Winston > Cc: phagomania support group > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) > > Two-thirds of the way down the front page at staybeautiful.net, Nicky Wire > says, > > Its subtitle 'A Secret History' refers to Donna Tartt. Two > great works of literature in one title!" The Secret History is an early Byzantine work by Procopius, who was the emperor Justinian's personal historian. While working on the official history praising Justinian's wise and temperate rule, he also wrote the Secret History using the tone and attitude Ann Coulter uses when writing about liberals. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:52:05 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] secret history (ns) The Secret History is an early Byzantine work by Procopius, who was the emperor Justinian's personal historian. While working on the official history praising Justinian's wise and temperate rule, he also wrote the Secret History using the tone and attitude Ann Coulter uses when writing about liberals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the title of the Divine Comedy's somewhat recent best of. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:14:03 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:22:04 -0400 (EDT), Aaron Mandel wrote: >I don't have my copy on hand right now but I would have sworn the phrase >"secret history" was somewhere in a subtitle of epigram to Marcus's book >too. Hm. Yup. "A secret history of the twentieth century" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:14:52 -0400 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new/old MSP (ns) If you weren't an MSP singles collector, this b-sides comp is a good opportunity to hear some of what you missed. I don't think they are the greatest cover band, though, and devoting half the set to covers means they leave out a lot of b-sides, including most of my personal favorites. I didn't think much of their "...Skinheads..." cover, for instance (http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0103.html#entry13), and they left out "Montana/Autumn/78", which was my vote for the best song of 1998 (http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0206.html)... glenn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #199 *******************************