From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #185 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, June 25 2003 Volume 03 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Liz Phair video [Dan Schmidt ] [loud-fans] OT help [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] OT help [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] fall paranoia man (ns) [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] Hi again/ Ten years of Guyville [Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Liz Phair video "G. Andrew Hamlin" writes: || 1) I think the music of the song is perfectly fine, and that many || people here would have no problem with it if it were, say, on a || Fountains Of Wayne album. | | Get the general impression that if the music came from a Fountains | Of Wayne album, lotta people here wouldn't listen to it once. Hmm, maybe people's opinions are more consistent than I've been assuming. I am also astonished that so many people here are shrugging their shoulders at the new New Pornographers. I think it's totally great start to finish. It did take a couple listens for all the hooks to sink in. There also doesn't seem to have been much Radiohead talk here... I am really impressed by HAIL TO THE THIEF; I think it does a really good job of synthesizing some of the different styles that they've explored previously. But I think I am more impressed by synthesis than many others are. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] OT help is there anyone around who receives e-mail in text only who can give me a hand for a second? brianna - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OT help thanks, everyone! > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: > > > is there anyone around who receives e-mail in text > only > > who can give me a hand for a second? - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:03:18 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] fall paranoia man (ns) > From: Dana Paoli > > And I never knew what Bowie's "Drive In Saturday" was about until I read the > notes in the new CD. It actually makes sense now that I know, but I never > would have figured it out. Okay, no one has bitten all day, so I will. What's "Drive In Saturday" about? His name was always-- John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:13:21 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hi again/ Ten years of Guyville Quoting dc : > all the review that's fit to print: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/22/arts/music/22OROU.html?pagewanted=1 > > although i was sure the thing about the "song for song response to Exile > on > Main Street" had been debunked sometime in the last millenium. Didn't read the NYT review yet - but in the latest _Magnet_, Phair claims that yes, indeed, EIG was written as a song-by-song response to EOMS. Supposedly, she had reams of index cards, shorthand codes for the type of song (musically, lyrically)... She basically went about it (in her words) like it was a grad student research project. Perhaps she should do that again. So: what album should Liz Phair write a song-by-song response to? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:19:03 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Defending Phair's clothing Quoting JRT456@aol.com: > Of course, it's really all about the music, which sucks. And that's the problem: I think the stupid fashion decisions are a symptom of the stupid music decisions. I"ll probably wait for the thing to show up in cutout bins, or I may give in to temptation and actually pay for the thing anyway...but there've been so many warning signs indicating that this one'll suck that I probably shouldn't. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ np: Your Team Ring _Homelife_: sounds kinda like what a less twee, more odd (at times nearly Renaldo & the Loaf inspired) E6 band would sound like w/o all the self-consciousness of too many of that collective's second-tier bands. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Liz Phair video On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Larry Tucker wrote: > The Matrix ones tend to be just a little too busy for me and are maybe > the musical equivalent of cotton candy, but I like them anyway. They mangled the cymbals! I've now listened to the real album, and on the Matrix tracks the cymbal crashes sound just as fucked up as they did in RealAudio. I guess I have to face the fact that, even though I still would never think of myself as an audiophile, this particular thing bugs me a lot more than it bugs the current record-buying public. Otherwise, why would anyone do it? But it sounds like compression damage to me, and the only explanation I can think of is the terrifying (yet somewhat obvious) idea that people who came of age with mp3s consider that kind of distortion natural in the same way that I'm used to tape hiss and vinyl crackles. So much for perfect sound forever. Anyway, the Phair verdict: thumbs way down over here. The only song I found catchy at all was "H.W.C." and the combination of vapidity and neediness in the rest of the lyrics pushed me from indifference to outright dislike. Oddly, the tracks she produced sound even less like her than the Matrix botches do, though the former seem like they could lead in an interesting direction if she ever makes another album. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:12:12 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hi again/ Ten years of Guyville > all the review that's fit to print: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/22/arts/music/22OROU.html?pagewanted=1 Blah. The review makes me want to like the album just to spite the reviewer. Anyway, Deep Discount CD says they mailed my copy today. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:39:40 EDT From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hi again/ Ten years of Guyville In a message dated 06/24/2003 9:15:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jenor@uwm.edu writes: > what album should Liz Phair write a > song-by-song response to? > Why, Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music", of course...but from a woman's point of view. If you are thinking of something more commercial, then Kiss' "Destroyer", provided Liz' album is also produced by Bob Ezrin and is accompanied by a TV movie about a mad scientist (hmm...howzabout Malcolm McDowell?) who creates an evil robot duplicate of Liz...you can take it from there, Star Child. *Ack!* Let me know when it's done, Mike Bollman ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #185 *******************************