From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #180 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, June 20 2003 Volume 03 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] tenuously connected to the present, Hell House (ns) [Jenn] Re: [loud-fans] more cool-sounding contemporary music stuff for Miles and others [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] tenuously connected to the present, Hell House (ns) [dmw] [loud-fans] Hell House (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] more cool-sounding contemporary music stuff for Miles and others ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] various... [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] various... ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Black Lipstick? (ns) [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] various... ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] various... [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] various... ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] various... ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] h*lp me remain tenuously connected to the present ["jer f] Re: [loud-fans] Hell House (ns) [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] a list. ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] new digital recorder ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] a list. [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] more cool-sounding contemporary music stuff for Miles and others [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] blur pong (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] a list. [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] a list. ["me" ] [loud-fans] Boston poop [John F Butland ] Re: [loud-fans] Boston poop [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Boston poop [Dan Schmidt ] Re: [loud-fans] Boston poop [Stewart Mason ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:30:55 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tenuously connected to the present, Hell House (ns) dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > It challenged my preconceptions in the sense that I had no idea the >Slint were such a major influence on the Pentecostals. Seriously, their >band rocks. > > Slint? Pentecostals?? So, what is the connection? What is this movie about, and where does Slint come into the picture? Or after spending many hours straight staring at this monitor, am I tripping? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:33:27 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more cool-sounding contemporary music stuff for Miles and others Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >125 Records will be releasing LOUD FAMILY LIVE 2000, a film by Danny >Plotnick, on Sept. 16, 2003. It will be available on all-region DVD. The >film includes complete live performances of many Loud Family favorites as >well as interviews with the band & its fans and candid backstage footage. > Holy cow, I am tripping! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:18:46 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... > >I, like Jen, put butter on bagels, most times after splitting them and > >heating them in a microwave. This, in itself, does not make me evil. no, but the microwave part comes damn close. yucky chewy grossness. > the Sauron/Daleks/Magento/Lex Luthor/Hilary Rosen scale), Magento? is that the gay magnet-controlling guy? cuz i think we have the beginnings of a great take-off, ala South Park. or is it the male counterpart to Magenta, ala RHPS? I'm Super! b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:30:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tenuously connected to the present, Hell House (ns) On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Jenny Grover wrote: > dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > > > It challenged my preconceptions in the sense that I had no idea the > >Slint were such a major influence on the Pentecostals. Seriously, their > >band rocks. > > Slint? Pentecostals?? So, what is the connection? What is this movie > about, and where does Slint come into the picture? Or after spending > many hours straight staring at this monitor, am I tripping? uh, yeah. is this the "hell house" where the plumber knows all about interdimensional vortices? i only saw that once, but seeing it was one of the good things about being in my first band. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:43:35 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Hell House (ns) > Slint? Pentecostals?? So, what is the connection? What is this movie > about, and where does Slint come into the picture? Or after spending > many hours straight staring at this monitor, am I tripping? uh, yeah. is this the "hell house" where the plumber knows all about interdimensional vortices? i only saw that once, but seeing it was one of the good things about being in my first band. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess that * I'll* be going to hell for the sin of assuming that everyone can read my mind. http://www.hellhousemovie.com/. As for the Slint connection, you'll need to hear the soundtrack (which probably isn't available separately, so you'll have to watch the movie). - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more cool-sounding contemporary music stuff for Miles and others - --- Roger Winston wrote: > >125 Records will be releasing LOUD FAMILY LIVE 2000, a film by Danny > >Plotnick, on Sept. 16, 2003. It will be available on all-region DVD. The > >film includes complete live performances of many Loud Family favorites as > >well as interviews with the band & its fans and candid backstage footage. > > But is it in anamorphic widescreen and 5.1 sound??? > The first version? Of course not! The 2nd version, due for release in 2004, will be a 2-disc, director's cut featuring widescreen anamorphic video, remastered 6.1 surround sound and several extras including a "making of" documentary, cast bio's, outtakes, links to the website and a DVD-ROM game. I'm holding out for the blu-ray, hi-def version due in 2005. ===== ====== This space intentionally non-blank. ====== ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:12:30 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... Quoting me : > > the Sauron/Daleks/Magento/Lex Luthor/Hilary Rosen scale), > > Magento? is that the gay magnet-controlling guy? cuz i think we have > the beginnings of a great take-off, ala South Park. or is it the male > counterpart to Magenta, ala RHPS? I'm letting Brianna audition for the role of "Making Jokes at the Expense of Others' Typos," a part I've played until now. What ya think - does she got da mojo? I say not bad! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:50:22 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... At Friday 6/20/2003 01:18 AM -0700, me wrote: >Magento? is that the gay magnet-controlling guy? cuz i think we have the >beginnings of a great take-off, ala South Park. or is it the male >counterpart to Magenta, ala RHPS? RHPS? I have a feeling I should know what that stands for, but I'm drawing a blank. I feel like I've just read a dana post with hip references that I'm not tuned in enough to get. (Slint?) Does this have something to do with Harry Potter? It seems like everything today has to do with Harry Potter. >I'm Super! Anything you say, dear. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:59:41 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... >RHPS? I have a feeling I should know what that stands for, but I'm drawing >a blank. I feel like I've just read a dana post with hip references that >I'm not tuned in enough to get. (Slint?) Lips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Does this have something to do with Harry Potter? It seems like everything >today has to do with Harry Potter. What I want to know is how many pages the seveth book will be... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Black Lipstick? (ns) On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > >Stewart's also a big Ad fan, but I don't know what he thinks of IGT. > > I actually haven't gotten around to buying this yet! I've put myself on > something of a one-man austerity campaign recently, which has dropped my > CD purchases to levels not seen in years. Austerity's good. But the new Ad Frank is better. > What's a good Destroyer record to start with? I like the few songs I've > heard, and I like Dan Bejar's contributions to the New Pornographers, > but I hear the albums are a varied lot in both style and quality. City Of Daughters is the one that started the buzz. At the time, I remember thinking that it sounded like the Mountain Goats would if John Darnielle didn't have the idea that some heroic soul resided in the simplicity of his compositions. That's my favorite. The next one, Thief, fleshed out the pop sound somewhat and was less memorable overall but probably had as many really good songs. The one before CoD is called We'll Build Them A Golden Bridge and I remember it as mostly lo-fi futzing, but I've only played it about twice; the two since Thief (Streethawk and This Night) are long affairs salted with Dylan worship that I haven't been able to get into. Looking back, I guess it's one of those situations where one promising record is enough to get you really attached to a musician even when the pile of discs you don't quite grok has grown to far outweigh it. Well, his songs on the new NPs are brilliant. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:07:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] h*lp me remain tenuously connected to the present At 10:32 PM 6/19/2003 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >Note: Glossary and Nadine (which Miles mentioned earlier) both have albums >available on eMusic. I haven't quite digested the groups' entire catalogs yet, but the latest from both (Glossary: HOW WE HANDLE OUR MIDNIGHTS; Nadine: LIT UP FROM THE INSIDE) are the ones to have. Glossary had three songwriters on their earlier two albums, and since shedding two of them, they've become more focused and better players -- not to imply slick, they've simply gotten just good enough to actually accomplish what they set out to do. Nadine's LIT UP FROM THE INSIDE is somewhat poorly paced, lining up a lot of the slower material at the end, but through the magic of playlists, you can cure that. Try "End of the Night," "Angela," "Losing Track," and especially "When I Was a Boy." >This is so weird to actually get excited about music again... And to have people talking about it! Who'd'athunkit? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] h*lp me remain tenuously connected to the present On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > I haven't quite digested the groups' entire catalogs yet, but the latest > from both (Glossary: HOW WE HANDLE OUR MIDNIGHTS; Nadine: LIT UP FROM > THE INSIDE) are the ones to have. Glossary had three songwriters on > their earlier two albums, and since shedding two of them, they've become > more focused and better players -- not to imply slick, they've simply > gotten just good enough to actually accomplish what they set out to do. I apparently liked the other songwriters better -- I found the new Glossary totally unmemorable. Glad there's a reason; it didn't even sound like the kind of thing I'd normally have an opinion about, but since I remembered them from the first record I figured I had grounds for disappointment. I'll file it under "world makes sense even if I don't like it". aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:39:22 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] h*lp me remain tenuously connected to the present At 12:22 PM 6/20/2003 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> I haven't quite digested the groups' entire catalogs yet, but the latest >> from both (Glossary: HOW WE HANDLE OUR MIDNIGHTS; Nadine: LIT UP FROM >> THE INSIDE) are the ones to have. Glossary had three songwriters on >> their earlier two albums, and since shedding two of them, they've become >> more focused and better players -- not to imply slick, they've simply >> gotten just good enough to actually accomplish what they set out to do. > >I apparently liked the other songwriters better -- I found the new >Glossary totally unmemorable. Glad there's a reason; it didn't even sound >like the kind of thing I'd normally have an opinion about, but since I >remembered them from the first record I figured I had grounds for >disappointment. I'll file it under "world makes sense even if I don't like >it". Whereas Melissa and I hadn't been impressed with them when we'd heard tracks from the other two albums at Grimey's, and we're both flipped out over the new one, which to us takes a quantum leap. It's a little early for this to be a stable conclusion (I've only had the new one a week), but what I keep thinking when listening to it is "I haven't heard an album that speaks to my state of mind this directly since SUMMERTEETH." High praise from me, of course. It's more of a thematic comparison than a musical one. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... > RHPS? I have a feeling I should know what that stands for, but I'm drawing a blank. I feel like I've just read a dana post with hip references that I'm not tuned in enough to get. (Slint?) ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW, Rog. Midnight shows? Fishnet stockings under your blue jeans? Frantic group-gropes by the light over at the Frankenstein place? You must have been young, once. Heck, I think you're younger than me. Slint was a band. They started out as something called Squirrel Bait but then they were Slint and their first album, the one where all the songs are named after people, is pretty damn good. Then they broke up and everybody joined 743 other bands. That's about all I know. So how do I find the "Hell House" where the plumber knows all about interdimensional vortices? Andy Whoa!! Could... it... BE? Like, are these LIPS a return to ye olde FUCKED UP garage rock which indeed SOUNDS like it is FROM the garage? Hmmmmm, well, the Black Lips ain't fists up/devil's horns "rock" or "art-punk" and there aren't any traces of well-intended, yet completely off the mark, faux "soul" here. In fact, I'd reckon the BL to have a lockdown on kinda Gibson Brother-ish "FUCK YOU HIPPY" slop style, with one or two bits soundin' like those New York Dolls Actress demos. Uh, so yeah, GARAGE rock just like the golden days of... uh, '92! Which ain't to say the Lips are sportin' more of that same old same OLD, but it's nice after the last few years of pop's not so entertaining flirtation with "garage" (why didn't MUDHONEY get "rediscovered"!?) to hear anyone returning to former garage rock (ahem) "values." - --Mike Nipper's review of BLACK LIPS! by Black Lips, from http://www.thestranger.com/current/cd_revue.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:14:05 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... G. Andrew Hamlin on 6/20/2003 4:01:51 AM wrote: > ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW, Rog. Midnight shows? Fishnet stockings under > your blue jeans? Frantic group-gropes by the light over at the > Frankenstein place? > > You must have been young, once. Heck, I think you're younger than me. D'oh! I knew it would be something obvious. I kept trying to make "PS" into "Public School" for some reason. Well, it has been like over 20 years since I last saw it (at, yes, a midnight showing). And I would dispute that I'm younger than you. RNS... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:33:48 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... At 10:01 AM 6/20/2003 -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >Slint was a band. They started out as something called Squirrel Bait but >then they were Slint and their first album, the one where all the songs >are named after people, is pretty damn good. Then they broke up and >everybody joined 743 other bands. That's about all I know. Squirrel Bait -- who were as gods to me circa 1986 -- only contributed two members to Slint, guitarist Brian McMahan and drummer Britt Walford (who was only on the first SB record). Squirrel Bait's other guitarist, David Grubbs, has seemingly been in more bands than all the members of Slint combined, but he's mostly known for Gastr del Sol. SB's singer, Peter Searcy (one of the great punk singers of his generation, I think), was in a number of not particularly interesting alt-rock bands in the '90s, and has since had a rather more listenable solo career. I don't think the bassist went on to do anything at all, and the guy who replaced Walford for the second Squirrel Bait album, Ben Daughtrey, later led the absolutely awful Love Jones. S NP: "Hygiene Aisle" -- The Methadones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:32:39 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... sorry. couldn't help it. i am the queen of typos, so i have no place doing that, but it made me laugh when i thought about it, so there ya have it. ugh - must be sleepy - took me til now to translate ff0000 from FFOOOO to bright ass red (and one of my recently scrubbed personal projects was referring to colors by their codes in public - 'do you have this shirt in 333399? this 666633 really doesn't look good on me.') is that Harry Potter book out today? Ed renamed one of them Harry and the Secret Chamber Pot (was Harry and the Chamber of Secrets). yes, 'the Rocky'. ah, the memories. i took my mom for my 17th b-day. that was weird. esp. since she seemed overly prepared. i got blasted in the face with a squirt bottle because no one thought to search her purse. must... have... coffee... brianna - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "HOT WET ff0000!!!!" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... > Quoting me : > > > > the Sauron/Daleks/Magento/Lex Luthor/Hilary Rosen scale), > > > > Magento? is that the gay magnet-controlling guy? cuz i think we have > > the beginnings of a great take-off, ala South Park. or is it the male > > counterpart to Magenta, ala RHPS? > > I'm letting Brianna audition for the role of "Making Jokes at the Expense of > Others' Typos," a part I've played until now. > > What ya think - does she got da mojo? I say not bad! > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - > :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:35:33 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... which i suppose would make my first filter a FF0000 Fighter. *groan* - ----- Original Message ----- From: "me" To: "HOT WET ff0000!!!!" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... > sorry. couldn't help it. i am the queen of typos, so i have no place doing > that, but it made me laugh when i thought about it, so there ya have it. > > ugh - must be sleepy - took me til now to translate ff0000 from FFOOOO to > bright ass red (and one of my recently scrubbed personal projects was > referring to colors by their codes in public - 'do you have this shirt in > 333399? this 666633 really doesn't look good on me.') > > is that Harry Potter book out today? Ed renamed one of them Harry and the > Secret Chamber Pot (was Harry and the Chamber of Secrets). > > yes, 'the Rocky'. ah, the memories. i took my mom for my 17th b-day. that > was weird. esp. since she seemed overly prepared. i got blasted in the > face with a squirt bottle because no one thought to search her purse. > > must... have... coffee... > brianna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" > To: "HOT WET ff0000!!!!" > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:12 AM > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... > > > > Quoting me : > > > > > > the Sauron/Daleks/Magento/Lex Luthor/Hilary Rosen scale), > > > > > > Magento? is that the gay magnet-controlling guy? cuz i think we have > > > the beginnings of a great take-off, ala South Park. or is it the male > > > counterpart to Magenta, ala RHPS? > > > > I'm letting Brianna audition for the role of "Making Jokes at the Expense > of > > Others' Typos," a part I've played until now. > > > > What ya think - does she got da mojo? I say not bad! > > > > ..Jeff > > > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > > The Architectural Dance Society > > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > > :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - > > :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:58:44 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] h*lp me remain tenuously connected to the present > Salteens - Let Go Of Your Bad Days I'm really surprised to see that this isn't a much bigger hit among Loud Fans. Since it is exactly the kind of lush, chiming, earnest, clever power-pop (I already proclaimed the new album's title track my single favorite pop song in years over at Tone and Groove) that this list usually eats up, I'm guessing the only reason is that most people aren't familiar with it. www.salteens.com will tell you most of what you need to know and even though it only has a handful of brief clips, they do provide links to MP3.com and New Music Canada, both of which have full songs. Jer np: Elvis Costello, IMPERIAL BEDROOM Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:04:17 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hell House (ns) dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > I guess that * I'll* be going to hell for the sin of assuming that > >everyone can read my mind. http://www.hellhousemovie.com/. As for the >Slint connection, you'll need to hear the soundtrack (which probably >isn't available separately, so you'll have to watch the movie). > > Oh, I get it. It's a documentary. Is it really Slint doing the soundtrack or someone reminiscent of Slint? I need to know so I can pass this info on to another Slint fan who might not know about it. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:03:50 -0700 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] h*lp me remain tenuously connected to the present > > Salteens - Let Go Of Your Bad Days > > I'm really surprised to see that this isn't a > much bigger hit among Loud Fans. Since it is > exactly the kind of lush, chiming, earnest, > clever power-pop (I already proclaimed the new > album's title track my single favorite pop song > in years over at Tone and Groove) I'm liking the single (thanks to Jer's mix), but it seems a bit more straightforward than some of the stuff that really gets raved about on this list. n.p. Devo, Oh No It's Devo/Freedom of Choice - ------ Michael Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com http://zwirn.com (t) 503-232-8919 (c) 503-887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:12:06 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] various... Roger Winston wrote: > I feel like I've just read a dana post with hip references that I'm > not tuned in enough to get. (Slint?) > Type them into Allmusicguide. (or use this messy link: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS70305262020&sql=Bsek9ikc6bb69~C ) Good write-up there, though it misses mention of Evergreen. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a list. > and to Andy: yes, i really do think that a successful piece of work > needs to communicte the parameters under which it is operating in some > fashion. but that doesn't rule out the case in which one of the goals of > a piece is to obfuscate its own goals -- i think that's pretty common > across a broad spectrum of postmodern art. > > i'm all fulla cold medicine, so if this makes no sense, sorry in > advance. Didn't Lester do much of his best work full of cold medicine? More seriously though, I'd like to further discuss how a piece communicates its parameters, and what happens if it doesn't, among other things. If people read AMERICAN PSYCHO and say, "It's crap," and Bret Easton Ellis responds, "If you read it and think it's crap, then you didn't understand it," who's right? If Greil Marcus opines "It seems plain that, finally, George W. Bush is making himself felt in culture..." in reaction to a Subway commercial plugging the chain's Dijon Horseradish Melt, and one reader calls the results "an incredible connect-the-invisible-dots exercise," who's right? Meant more as examples than as specifics, of course. Now we know where Brianna learned to wear a corset... Andy Show #: 5879 (2583K) Tape Date: May 28th, 2003 Models: Claudia, Rachel, Shane Segment #1 Segment #1 Bob's entrance: Door #2 Item Up For Bids #1 Prize(s) Bid(s) Actual Retail Price Motorscooter Sebrina: $1,748 Ricardo: $1,145 Lakisha: $1,800 * Maranda: $1,749 $1,895 Pricing Game #1 Pricing Game Prize(s) Extra Prize(s) Check Game Trip to Costa Rica ($4,264) NONE Results: Wrote Check For: $2,000 Total: $6,264 LOST It took a second explanation in order for Lakisha to fully understand Check Game's rules. Also, even after hearing the rules for the second time, Lakisha started writing on the gold windows instead of on the check. - --from "The Price Is Right Summaries" pages, http://www.tpirsummaries.8m.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:08:59 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] new digital recorder WOW! Now this is cool. Looks like my future minidisc replacement. http://core-sound.com/HighResRecorderNews.html Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:18:46 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a list. "G. Andrew Hamlin" writes: || and to Andy: yes, i really do think that a successful piece of work || needs to communicte the parameters under which it is operating in || some fashion. but that doesn't rule out the case in which one of || the goals of a piece is to obfuscate its own goals -- i think || that's pretty common across a broad spectrum of postmodern art. || || i'm all fulla cold medicine, so if this makes no sense, sorry in || advance. | | Didn't Lester do much of his best work full of cold medicine? | | More seriously though, I'd like to further discuss how a piece | communicates its parameters, and what happens if it doesn't, among other | things. I play in a Balinese gamelan, and a bunch of things that are happening in the music are fairly opaque to the uneducated (in Balinese music) American audiences that we play for. It's taken me years to internalize some of the things that are as basic to Balinese music as, say, the twelve-bar blues are to rock. Now, the audience always enjoys our concerts plenty, because the music is loud, flashy, fast, and full of stop-on-a-dime-and-then-start-again neat moments. But that's not really the point of the music, any more than rock being aurally assaultive is its point (though it is _a_ point), although an old fogey who isn't a "competent listener" (as the music theorists say) might assert that it is. So I don't think that these pieces are particularly "communicating the parameters under which they operate", or if they do, discovering the parameters takes some detailed study that you certainly can't do on a first hearing. But I don't consider that a failing of the music at all. It's just using a different vocabulary, one that is as natural to Balinese audiences as rock's is to us. You can take the loud fast flashiness out of Balinese music and what you end up with is Javanese music, which has the same kind of internal beauty going on but puts American audiences to sleep. I wouldn't want to use that as a basis for a value judgment about Javanese music, though. My personal history with this subject is that I used to believe pretty strongly that art did not need to be tied to a context, that it could exist and be judged or percieved completely independently of the context of its origin without loss, but I got that view pretty soundly beaten out of me over the course of many debates in an art history class in college. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:31:48 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a list. Dan Schmidt wrote: >My personal history with this subject is that I used to believe pretty >strongly that art did not need to be tied to a context, that it could >exist and be judged or percieved completely independently of the context >of its origin without loss, but I got that view pretty soundly beaten >out of me over the course of many debates in an art history class in >college. > > "Without loss" is the operative phrase here. I would never argue that art out of context can be appreciated without loss, but that is not to say (as you illustrated with your gamelon example) it cannot be appreciated, even appreciated greatly and mind-openingly. The beauty of a piece of art or a piece of music is that it has the potential to be many things to many people, different things to different people. What holds a lot of people back from gaining something, even a minimal something, from an unfamiliar style of art is their unwillingness to accept or investigate something that does not immediately fit neatly into the context they wish it to. My mom, for instance, would argue that a painting that is not pretty, pictorial, or based in realist notions of proportion, is not art. She knows better, of course, but she chooses not to accept it. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more cool-sounding contemporary music stuff for Miles and others - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I > think I even might have heard of them before. Plus I > hear the drummer's a > total hottie as well. Then the ticks got him..... (by the way, this movie rocks! You'll laugh..you'll cry..you'll tap your foot! I hope it's copy-protected...) :) Gil --- > 125 Records will be releasing LOUD FAMILY LIVE 2000, > a film by Danny > Plotnick, on Sept. 16, 2003. It will be available on > all-region DVD. The > film includes complete live performances of many > Loud Family favorites as > well as interviews with the band & its fans and > candid backstage footage. > > Track listing: > 720 Times Happier Than the Unjust Man > Deee-pression > Idiot Son > Years of Wrong Impressions > Motion of Ariel > Sister Sleep > Slit My Wrists > Asleep And Awake On The Man's Freeway > The Waist and The Knees > Cortex The Killer > The Apprentice > No One's Watching My Limo Ride > Blackness, Blackness > Nice When I Want Something > The Story In Your Eyes (Moody Blues cover) > Where They Walk Over Saint Therese > Tearjerkin' (dB's cover) > 24 > Like A Girl Jesus > Rosy Overdrive > > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country > will be called "Coach" > :: --William Gass __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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Luckily > the solution has arrived, for PC: > > http://www.thedevelopmentline.co.uk/fileDownload.php?downloadID=27 > > or Mac: > > http://www.thedevelopmentline.co.uk/fileDownload.php?downloadID=34 I don't understand these Too Hip For Middle America references. What is this "pong"? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:43:34 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] blur pong (ns) I don't understand these Too Hip For Middle America references. What is this "pong"? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just for that, I'm going to go buy a CD before its release date and then tell you all about it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:49:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a list. Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > Now we know where Brianna learned to wear a corset... Huh, what? We want details, man - details. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:16:52 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a list. yeah. who said i ever wore a corset? :) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Japanese Animation Product Outsparkled!" Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a list. > Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > > > Now we know where Brianna learned to wear a corset... > > Huh, what? We want details, man - details. > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:27:47 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: [loud-fans] Boston poop Hey, I know we have several folks in the Boston area onlist. After many years, Beth and I are finally making our way back for a vacation. We used to get down regularly but between the Northern Peso and the availability of online shopping, it just hasn't happened lately. Snagging decent tickets to Neil Young (thanks to the Rust folks presale) has finally done the trick. I gather from what I read in several places that the music buying scene has changed quite a bit, what with the closing of Towers and HMV. Newberry Comics is still there, no? What other places should one hit? Not looking for anything terribly rare or obscure, and within walking distance of a T stop would be good, too. Things are still congregated around Harvard and Kenmore Squares? What about places that have an interesting array of DVDs? Or a comic shop that has a useful selection of non-Marvel graphic novels - i.e., adult, but not necessarily "adult." Isn't there a bookstore someplace down there that specialized in mystery books? Any help and/or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:36:08 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boston poop At 09:27 PM 6/20/2003 -0300, John F Butland wrote: >I gather from what I read in several places that the music buying scene has >changed quite a bit, what with the closing of Towers and HMV. Newberry >Comics is still there, no? Yes, there are still several Newbury Comics stores around. The Tower at the corner of Newbury and Mass Ave is now a Virgin Megastore, an improvement akin to replacing a Yugo with a Ferrari. Most of your shopping needs will be fulfilled there, and the DVD and book selection isn't too bad either. Other than that, all the old faithful stores are still around: In Your Ear, Nuggets, Flipside, Smash City (what used to be Mystery Train, now owned and managed by Peter Prescott), etc. The HMV at Harvard Square is gone, but the Tower is still there (there's still an HMV between Tremont Street and Downtown Crossing if you must). However, Harvard Square also has my personal favorite Newbury Comics store, which is thriving to the extent that any record store is in the current economy, so the Tower can be safely ignored...which it usually is. Tower is one dinosaur that deserves to die. >What other places should one hit? Not looking for anything terribly rare or >obscure, and within walking distance of a T stop would be good, too. Things >are still congregated around Harvard and Kenmore Squares? More like Harvard Square and the lower end of Newbury Street, although the best general-interest record store in the area is Disc Diggers in Davis Square, Somerville. >What about places that have an interesting array of DVDs? Or a comic shop >that has a useful selection of non-Marvel graphic novels - i.e., adult, but >not necessarily "adult." Dunno about the DVDs, since I let Netflix take care of that for me, but next door to my favorite record store in all of New England, the glorious Twisted Village, there's an outpost of New England Comics that might have what you're looking for. I've never been in one of their stores, so I have no idea what sort of thing they sell. > >Isn't there a bookstore someplace down there that specialized in mystery >books? Kate's Mystery Books, 2211 Mass Ave, Cambridge, between Porter and Davis Square. I've only been once, but frankly, I wasn't impressed. I'm partial to the mystery selection at Avenue Victor Hugo on Newbury (above Johnson's Paints about half a block up from the Virgin) -- it's much smaller, but I tend to find what I'm looking for and the prices are much more reasonable. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:53:46 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boston poop Stewart covered most everything... | What about places that have an interesting array of DVDs? Or a | comic shop that has a useful selection of non-Marvel graphic novels | - i.e., adult, but not necessarily "adult." Million Year Picnic ("New England's oldest and best comic store" according to them) in Harvard Square, right between Wordsworth and Tower Records, has a great selection of comic books and graphic novels. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:58:31 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boston poop At 10:53 PM 6/20/2003 -0400, Dan Schmidt wrote: >Million Year Picnic ("New England's oldest and best comic store" >according to them) in Harvard Square, right between Wordsworth and >Tower Records, has a great selection of comic books and graphic >novels. One thing I love about Boston is that by far the best local chain of record stores has the word "Comics" in its name instead of "Records" -- and most of the shops barely sell comics at all anymore -- yet no one thinks this is at all odd. S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #180 *******************************