From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #172 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, June 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 172 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions [glenn mcdonald ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions [Roger Winston ] jewel boxes (was Re: [loud-fans] holy grail?) [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions [dmw ] [loud-fans] iPod Questions (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] chat, anyone? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions ["Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions In iTunes, if you do Info on a song, and go to the Options tab, you can set optional "Start Time" and "Stop Time" values. This doesn't help you when the bonus tracks are "hidden" as part of one long track with the listed song at the beginning and then silence and then the unlisted one. But as long as the silence is the beginning or end of a track, you're set... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:25:41 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions Quoting glenn mcdonald : > In iTunes, if you do Info on a song, and go to the Options tab, you can > set optional "Start Time" and "Stop Time" values. This doesn't help you > when the bonus tracks are "hidden" as part of one long track with the > listed song at the beginning and then silence and then the unlisted > one. But as long as the silence is the beginning or end of a track, > you're set... And although it's not automatic, you can always use a soundfile editor (I use Goldwave) to split the second kind of hidden track glenn mentions; then either remove the silence with the editor or use the options glenn describes. That "hidden track" gimmick is really played out...nothing but annoyance at this point. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:44:31 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions At Sunday 6/15/2003 10:25 AM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >That "hidden track" gimmick is really played out...nothing but annoyance at >this point. Totally agree. I was just listening to the latest Gene album, LIBERTINE, in the car the other day and it has one of those looong pauses in the last track before the hidden track starts playing. I stopped at a store just when it hit the pause. When I got back in the car, I had forgotten the CD player was on. Five minutes later, the hidden song suddenly started playing and I practically got into an accident. (Kids, remember to listen to music in the car at a reasonable volume.) I just can't believe in this day and age that *anyone* would think the hidden track is an interesting idea. On another matter, I've been unable to connect to eMusic.com since sometime yesterday. Is anyone else having this problem? Maybe they're filtering out my IP address, since I don't subscribe and all I ever do is search for what albums/artists they have. One more iPod question: Does the MusicMatch (?) software use the CDDB or something similar to identify the titles of tracks of CDs that you read into the computer for conversion/upload to the iPod? Or do you have to type in all the titles yourself? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: jewel boxes (was Re: [loud-fans] holy grail?) On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Some of us with oversized CD collections have moved to space-saving measures > such as ditching jewelboxes and storing stuff in those folders or just in > paper cases. Others of us are adamant about keeping our jewelboxes...but we > run into the problem that the damned things break. Okay, buying jewelboxes > isn't that expensive - but if you're like me, you might find some place to > order them in bulk to keep the costs down, but then you end up with, say, 50 > trays and back shells because you keep having to replace the front covers > that break more frequently. > > I've found a vendor that sells jewelbox components separately. I can't vouch > yet for their service, but here's the site: . > I've gone ahead and ordered some - I'll let you know how quickly they arrive. Anybody who wants jewelcases/components should just e-mail me. Paypal me enough to cover shipping/packing -- should prolly work that out on an individual basis* -- and arbitrarily large quantities can be yours. Limited white/clear available; mostly std. black. First come, first served. - -- d. * i could have said "case-by-case," but i showed great restraint. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:50:19 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions Quoting Roger Winston : > On another matter, I've been unable to connect to eMusic.com since > sometime > yesterday. Is anyone else having this problem? Dunno - but I just went there; no apparent problems. And Miles may be interested in knowing - if Love and Rockets' _Express_ was among the titles lost in that Great CD Theft some years back - that it's now available at eMusic. Although I don't think it's out of print or anything... > One more iPod question: Does the MusicMatch (?) software use the CDDB or > something similar to identify the titles of tracks of CDs that you read > into the computer for conversion/upload to the iPod? Or do you have to > type in all the titles yourself? Dunno - but this question reminds me: why can't that info be included on the CD itself? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass np: Graame Downes _Hammers and Anvils_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:01:25 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Dunno - but this question reminds me: why can't that info be included on the >CD itself? > > Which brings to mind a question I've had for awhile now: If I put a regular commercial CD in the CD player in my computer, why do most of them show the artist name, album title, and song titles in the player window, but many of them only show "unknown artist" and track numbers with no song titles, and also why do some of them count down the track time in the normal manner (as time progresses, the time shown for how long the disc has played increases) while others count them down negatively (as though they were preparing for launch, so that at the end of the track the time shows 0:00)? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Jenny Grover wrote: > Which brings to mind a question I've had for awhile now: If I put a > regular commercial CD in the CD player in my computer, why do most of > them show the artist name, album title, and song titles in the player > window, but many of them only show "unknown artist" and track numbers > with no song titles Your computer is almost certainly connecting to CDDB over the net and fetching the information for CDs whose track names show up. The ones that it doesn't know, you could type in the artist/title/track names and send it back to the database so the next person who puts that disc in their computer will get info. (Or else your computer's off the net at the time and it can't get to the database.) The folks who run CDDB originally went about building the database in a way that a lot of people (me included) felt was kind of slimy. I have a feeling Doug M-W would have a great deal to say on this subject. If you want to use a similar database that accomplished the same function but is committed to not being slimy, there's freedb.org, but depending on your CD-playing program it may not be possible to switch databases. And you might not care much anyway. a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:29:41 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions Aaron Mandel wrote: >Your computer is almost certainly connecting to CDDB over the net and >fetching the information for CDs whose track names show up. The ones that >it doesn't know, you could type in the artist/title/track names and send >it back to the database so the next person who puts that disc in their >computer will get info. (Or else your computer's off the net at the time >and it can't get to the database.) > >The folks who run CDDB originally went about building the database in a >way that a lot of people (me included) felt was kind of slimy. I have a >feeling Doug M-W would have a great deal to say on this subject. If you >want to use a similar database that accomplished the same function but is >committed to not being slimy, there's freedb.org, but depending on your >CD-playing program it may not be possible to switch databases. And you >might not care much anyway. > > Hmm... I'm thinking it's not as simple as that, because befor we had cable internet, and were online all the time, there were CD's that would and CD's that wouldn't show the info, even when I was offline. And discs that count down backwards on my computer don't do so on the stereo. I was thinking there might be some readable info on the disc itself that my computer CD player just can't read right. Is this a possible explanation? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:45:28 -0400 From: Cardinal007 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod questions Roger wrote: <