From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #154 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, May 30 2003 Volume 03 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers Touring [NS] [Overall_Julianne@emc.com] Re: [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers Touring [NS] [Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers Touring [NS] FWIW, eMusic has that Australian Pernice Brothers thingy. I like it. - --dana - --- Overall_Julianne@emc.com wrote: I know we have some Pernice Brothers fans on the list. Just in case you didn't know - they're touring and here are the dates. Hey Rog, they're even playing in Denver... -julianne - -----Original Message----- From: The Pernice Brothers Mailing List [mailto:list@ashmontrecords.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:09 PM To: overall_julianne@emc.com Subject: Yours, Mine, Ours and Everyones Hey everyone. We had a great first week with the record, and just as soon as we're done sending this email, we're going to go to the local wholesale club and celebrate by buying giant vats of namebrand stuff instead of generic. We owe it all to you. I hope you Bostonians caught the big giant feature in yesterday's Boston Globe. It was kind of scary seeing that big head before morning coffee, but we're appreciative nonetheless. Here are the tourdates for Leg I - The Pernice Brothers Grand Central Artery tour summer 2003. The dates and cities are right, even though there are still a few venue TBA's (clubs are still fighting over the band!) but I wanted to get these out because, frankly, I don't want to answer any more of those - "hey you have a day in between Iowa City and Chicago you can't seriously being skipping Minneapolis - emails. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but my middle-aged fingers are tired! 5/30/2003 Florian Hall Dorchester MA (Joe and Peyton only) 6/18/2003 Narrows Center for the Arts Fall River MA 6/19/2003 Valentine's Albany NY 6/20/2003 Southpaw Brooklyn NY 6/21/2003 Iota Arlington VA 6/22/2003 Room 4 Carrboro NC 6/23/2003 Tasty World Athens GA 6/24/2003 The Earl Atlanta GA 6/26/2003 Parish New Orleans LA 6/27/2003 Fat Cat's Houston TX 6/28/2003 Mercury Austin TX 6/29/2003 Rubber Gloves Denton TX 7/2/2003 Club Congress Tucson AZ 7/3/2003 Modified Phoenix AZ 7/4/2003 Spaceland Los Angeles CA 7/5/2003 Starry Plough Berkeley CA 7/6/2003 Bottom of the Hill San Francisco CA 7/8/2003 Lola's Portland OR 9/9/2003 Venue TBA Vancouver BC 7/10/2003 Lucky Bar Victoria BC 7/11/2003 Tractor Tavern Seattle WA 7/13/2003 Neurolux Boise ID 7/14/2003 Liquid Joe's Salt Lake City UT 7/15/2003 Climax Lounge Denver CO 7/17/2003 Venue TBA, Kansas City, MO 7/18/2003 Gabe's Oasis Iowa City IA 7/19/2003 Venue TBA Minneapolis MN 7/20/2003 Abbey Pub Chicago IL 7/21/2003 Venue TBA Detroit MI 7/22/2003 Lee's Palace Toronto ON 7/23/2003 Cafe Campus Montreal PQ 7/24/2003 The Paradise Boston MA 7/25/2003 Mercury Lounge New York NY 7/26/2003 Mercury Lounge New York NY 7/27/2003 Khyber Pass Philadelphia PA Want to help more than you already have? Do you live in a city where the band will play this summer? I would LOVE to have volunteer poster putter-uppers. I would happily put you on our guest list in exchange for your pounding the pavement on our behalf. Please read the following CAREFULLY. We have people in Brooklyn, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Berkeley, Boston and New York, and will not require any more help. Also, I really only need one person per city, so the first person to volunteer will be "the chosen" as it were. Also, also, if you are in the unfortunate position of being under the age allowed in the club where the band is playing in your city, no amount of my guest listing you is going to get you in. Please don't ask me to break the law. I'm not going back to prison this year. If you live in one of the cities on the tour I did not classify as "all set" and all of the previous meets with your approval and interest, write me at info@ashmontrecords.com and we'll get you some posters to post. Now some of the more cynical of you are asking, how is she going to know if the weasels actually hang the posters and not just collect their guest list spots. Well, I won't. But I have faith in you, and don't consider you weasels. You're just friends I haven't met yet, who would never do Joe and me a bad turn like that. Stuff I like - getting the names and addresses of stores that don't have Pernice Brothers stock. Seeing reviews from local and regional papers that we wouldn't see in our usual reading. Thanks for your continued support. We appreciate it. Visit www.pernicebrothers.com. Joyce ********************************* Joyce Linehan Ashmont Media www.pernicebrothers.com - -- To unsubscribe from: The Pernice Brothers Mailing List, just follow this link: http://www.ashmontmedia.com/cgi-bin/mojo.cgi?f=u&l=pernice&e=overall_juliann e@emc.com&p=7332 Click the link, or copy and paste the address into your browser. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] thanks (tech assistance, ns) On Wed, 28 May 2003, Dana Paoli wrote: > Enjoying Mclusky from eMusic a lot lately. Kind of like a meaner, less > gentle Pixies? Wow. Yes, good band. At least, the second album (McLusky Do Dallas) and attendant singles are good -- the first album is apparently just enough more abrasive that I was forbidden to play it in the office after about 30 seconds. I'm getting tired of every new band having the One Official Reference Point, though. No disrespect meant to Dana; they do have a lot of Pixies moments, but in looking them up on the web I found that every single writer had dropped the Pixies name, and few went farther than that. In some ways the recent explosion of incidents like this bugs me more than the individual inaccuracy of the more outrageous ones like "Strokes = Velvet Underground". Which is why I'm even complaining about it in a case where it's reasonably apposite. ("Collagen Rock" is a full-on Pixies wannabe track; pretty good.) The insidiousness of the thing is that you can't know if you're quoting a band's one-sheet or not without going and subjecting yourself to exactly the barrage of prefab critical commentary you were trying to avoid. Anyway, eMusic people should definitely go grab this if they like saucy apeman art-punk at all. For others, there's an mp3 and video from the new album at mclusky.com -- with stuff this bludgeony a full album is actually somewhat easier to take than any one song if the album is varied (which this is) but you can probably tell from those two songs if you'd like them. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:10:58 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] thanks (tech assistance, ns) Aaron Mandel writes: | On Wed, 28 May 2003, Dana Paoli wrote: | || Enjoying Mclusky from eMusic a lot lately. Kind of like a meaner, less || gentle Pixies? | | Wow. Yes, good band. Thanks for the ref, downloading now. | [...] In some ways the recent explosion of incidents like this bugs | me more than the individual inaccuracy of the more outrageous ones | like "Strokes = Velvet Underground". What makes that comparison outrageous? Or are you just annoyed when critics don't go any further than that comparison? The first song I heard by the Strokes was "The Modern Age" and the first thing that jumped into my mind was "Wow, this is a total Velvets rip." The singer sounded like he was intentionally aping Lou Reed and both the songwriting (minimum of chord changes) and arrangement (chugging guitars) sounded very VU to me. That is probably the most VU-comparison-worthy song on the album, but even on the others I think that the Velvet Underground is a clear reference point (albeit perhaps only one of many). Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:22:58 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] thanks (tech assistance, ns) Quoting Dan Schmidt : > Aaron Mandel writes: > | [...] In some ways the recent explosion of incidents like this bugs > | me more than the individual inaccuracy of the more outrageous ones > | like "Strokes = Velvet Underground". > > What makes that comparison outrageous? Or are you just annoyed when > critics don't go any further than that comparison? The first song I > heard by the Strokes was "The Modern Age" and the first thing that > jumped into my mind was "Wow, this is a total Velvets rip." The > singer sounded like he was intentionally aping Lou Reed and both the > songwriting (minimum of chord changes) and arrangement (chugging > guitars) sounded very VU to me. That is probably the most > VU-comparison-worthy song on the album, but even on the others I think > that the Velvet Underground is a clear reference point (albeit perhaps > only one of many). I only recently heard the single version of "The Modern Age," and the lower-fi production and rawer singing and playing *do* make it sound more like the VU. However...I first heard the band in the form of the British _Is This It_, and to me there are many more influences going on, and a lot of stuff that's very un-VU throughout. Just to name a few: the bass-playing is more melodic, and something of the production/style-mongering actually reminds me a bit of Roxy. And I hear very little "garage" in there at all (then again, that the VU and garage are the two most common comparisons shows up the absurdity...two rather opposite approaches there, even if sharing the "no string quartets" outlook...) I still think critical groupthink is a real problem: the VU comparison obviously cemented itself w/the initial release, and from that point on, it seems, critics couldn't be bothered to make new comparisons or judge the ongoing accuracy of an earlier one. But hey - I just downloaded an early Interpol track (from the _This Is Next year_ comp) and it won't surprise me at all if *that* song sounds more like Joy Division than anything on their Matador full-length... ..Jeff, who's got the first couple Dream Syndicate (Steve Wynn) albums and says, I knew Velvet Underground rip-offs, and you, Strokes, are no Velvet Underground rip-off... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] thanks (tech assistance, ns) On Thu, 29 May 2003, Dan Schmidt wrote: > The first song I heard by the Strokes was "The Modern Age" and the first > thing that jumped into my mind was "Wow, this is a total Velvets rip." Huh. Okay. I'd never heard anyone who I trusted actually make that comparison (as far as I remember), and when I've heard the Strokes (the album twice, plus many incidental exposures to "Last Night" and "Hard To Explain") it hasn't rung any VU bells. But I don't have a *positive* reason the comparison seemed ludicrous to me. I guess my suspension of disbelief is low with this kind of thing; if it seems plausible to me or not, I assume the bulk of people citing the Official Comparison are doing so more because they've heard other people do it, not because their ears tell them it's the way to go. Perhaps I am uncharitable. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:51:59 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] thanks (tech assistance, ns) Huh. Okay. I'd never heard anyone who I trusted actually make that comparison (as far as I remember), and when I've heard the Strokes (the album twice, plus many incidental exposures to "Last Night" and "Hard To Explain") it hasn't rung any VU bells. But I don't have a *positive* reason the comparison seemed ludicrous to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just so's Aaron doesn't feel alone, I too have no idea why people hear VU in the Strokes (aside from the fact that *every* band sounds like the Beatles or VU, or, um, someone else). I suspect that if the Strokes were from another city/state, the comparison would never have come up. Anyone ever heard of a "Stinging Grasshopper"? We've invented a drink, we think, but just wanted to double check. It's a very devious drink. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:45:15 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] thanks (tech assistance, ns) dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >Anyone ever heard of a "Stinging Grasshopper"? We've invented a drink, >we think, but just wanted to double check. It's a very devious drink. > >--dana > > So, what's in it? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:59:08 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] thanks (tech assistance, ns) > >Anyone ever heard of a "Stinging Grasshopper"? We've invented a > drink, > >we think, but just wanted to double check. It's a very devious > drink. > > > >--dana > > > > > So, what's in it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, the theory behind it: Shari loves Grasshoppers (creme de menthe, creme de caceo and cream), but they're not strong enough. She used to order a "Grasshopper with a shot of vanilla vodka" but bars always charge extra for the extra shot. Hence, the Stinging Grasshopper (the ingredients are creme de menthe, creme de caceo, cream and a shot of vanilla vodka). Costs the same as a regular drink everywhere we go, and always starts a conversation with the bartender. No one has ever dared suggest that it's not a real drink. I'm working on the "Stinging Martini" which contains a shot of gin and another shot of gin and another shot of gin... - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #154 *******************************