From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #147 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, May 23 2003 Volume 03 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) [Roge] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) [Dan] [loud-fans] Mitch Easter news ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Dan Schmidt ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Miles Goosens ] RE: [loud-fans] Mitch Easter news ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [Matthew Weber ] Neil Young (was Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing) [John F Butland ] Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing [*THAT* Matt Weber ] Re: Neil Young (was Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing) [Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! Quoting Tim Walters : > On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 09:12 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > > > Eh? What $120 up front? > > I was thinking of the 12 months for $9.99 a month plan, but you're > right, there's also $14.99 a month for 3 months--still, rightly or > wrongly, a psychological barrier for me. But calling ten bucks a month "$120" is a distortion of economics..."$120" sounds like a relatively large chunk of change, whereas ten dollars a month is pretty absorbable. I can't think of any good reason to pay half again as much for three months just so you can get out of a commitment sooner - at least for me, browsing around the site persuaded me almost immediately that there was well over three months' of music there. And I don't like the way their > web site design makes it easy to sign up for a free trial, but hard to > find out the subscription rates without doing so. I'm afraid I don't see what's difficult...if you click on the "free trial" thing, you're taken to a sign-up sheet - and if you want to know what the terms and conditions of signing up are, you click on (that's right) "terms and conditions" - and the costs are right there, about halfway down the page. It took me about ten seconds to find. And of course if you go immediately to an artist or title search w/o clicking on the "free trial" thing, you can do that. I will admit it's a bit annoying that the site doesn't tell you you can do the free trial w/o clicking on the free trial link. > But I admit that I'm being irrational about it. For some reason it > reminds me of record clubs, and I always had an irrational dislike of > those, too. It must be the "obligation into the future" thing. But unlike record clubs, they won't send you Britney Spears every month. I mean, her CDs - if they sent *her*, I know at least a few people would definitely sign up... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:10:02 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) At Wednesday 5/21/2003 10:08 PM -0700, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >The all-region DVD player we have (APEX 600) has a button to switch >between NTSDC and PAL video, which it then translates to NTSC en route to >the TV. In other words, the DVD player does the necessary conversion to >NTSC. As I've mentioned before, not all region free players will do the PAL to NTSC conversion correctly - i.e. the aspect ratio may not be exactly right, or you might get crooked black lines at the top or bottom of a 4:3 picture. In other words, players like the Apex Joe mentions (and which I also have) will certainly play PAL discs, but they may not look exactly right. Certain Malatas (such as the N996 I own) and JVCs with the Mediamatics chip will do the conversion correctly. This Sampo is the cheapest one I've seen that will do it ($130): http://www.hkflix.com/hardware/sampo_612n.asp Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:48:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! On Wed, 21 May 2003, Tim Walters wrote: > But I admit that I'm being irrational about it. For some reason it > reminds me of record clubs, and I always had an irrational dislike of > those, too. The price is so low that even with some mp3s making me wish I had a CD (and your ears are better than mine, I imagine, so that might happen to you more) for me it's more like a replacement for looking in bargain bins - -- a subscription to a constant stream of things I've heard about and might as well listen to once to see if they're good. Though with both Matador and 4AD on board it's becoming more and more of a treat. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:54:39 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) > As I've mentioned before, not all region free players will do the PAL to > NTSC conversion correctly - i.e. the aspect ratio may not be exactly > right, or you might get crooked black lines at the top or bottom of a > 4:3 picture. In other words, players like the Apex Joe mentions (and > which I also have) will certainly play PAL discs, but they may not look > exactly right. Certain Malatas (such as the N996 I own) and JVCs with > the Mediamatics chip will do the conversion correctly. This Sampo is > the cheapest one I've seen that will do it ($130): My techie sources assure me that the cheapo CyberHome gets the aspect ratio right with PAL conversion. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:41:06 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] Mitch Easter news Mitch has a new website, with some news: http://www.fiendishminstrels.com/ New album coming later this year, finally... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:00:21 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! Aaron Mandel writes: | [emusic's] price is so low that even with some mp3s making me wish I | had a CD (and your ears are better than mine, I imagine, so that | might happen to you more) for me it's more like a replacement for | looking in bargain bins -- a subscription to a constant stream of | things I've heard about and might as well listen to once to see if | they're good. Though with both Matador and 4AD on board it's | becoming more and more of a treat. This is pretty much how I consider it (I finally bit the bullet yesterday). Think of it like listening to 20 "Hmm, that might be interesting" records every month for 50c apiece. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! On Thu, 22 May 2003, Dan Schmidt wrote: > Aaron Mandel writes: > > | [emusic's] price is so low that even with some mp3s making me wish I > | had a CD (and your ears are better than mine, I imagine, so that > | might happen to you more) for me it's more like a replacement for > | looking in bargain bins -- a subscription to a constant stream of > | things I've heard about and might as well listen to once to see if > | they're good. Though with both Matador and 4AD on board it's > | becoming more and more of a treat. > > This is pretty much how I consider it (I finally bit the bullet > yesterday). Think of it like listening to 20 "Hmm, that might be > interesting" records every month for 50c apiece. with the move to VBR encoding on virtually everything, abetted by changes in my own finances, it's actually moved from sample-the-music to enjoy-the-music. i can hear the difference, but i can't honestly say it really bugs me for most material. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! dmw wrote: > with the move to VBR encoding on virtually everything, abetted by changes > in my own finances, it's actually moved from sample-the-music to > enjoy-the-music. i can hear the difference, but i can't honestly say it > really bugs me for most material. I don't usually have a big problem with mp3s; I listen to my iTunes rips at work all the time. But TREASURE, on the Emusic site, sounds really bad. However, I've poked around a bit more and everything else I've tried seems fine. So either TREASURE just sounds that bad, and nostalgia is playing tricks on my memory, or it didn't mp3ify very well. And they certainly have plenty of stuff that I want. Maybe I should just get over myself. - -- SLAW * SNAKES & LADDERS Experimental popular children's music for adults http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Slaw ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:05:30 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! At 10:57 AM 5/22/2003 -0700, Tim Walters wrote: >I don't usually have a big problem with mp3s; I listen to my iTunes rips >at work all the time. But TREASURE, on the Emusic site, sounds really bad. > >However, I've poked around a bit more and everything else I've tried seems >fine. So either TREASURE just sounds that bad, and nostalgia is playing >tricks on my memory, or it didn't mp3ify very well. I think it's probably a little of both -- that hissy reverb thing of Robin's simply may not translate well to mp3, and my memory is that TREASURE is not necessarily that good-sounding an album. > >And they certainly have plenty of stuff that I want. Maybe I should just >get over myself. I think ten bucks a month is a small price to pay for the majority of the ESP-Disk catalogue, all of the Atavistic catalogue, and oddities like John Cage's EMPTY WORDS, the second disc of which is basically a small-scale art riot set to tape. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:13:56 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! At 09:07 PM 5/21/2003 -0700, Tim Walters wrote: >Then I checked out TREASURE by the Cocteau Twins, and the crappiness of >the sound brought me back to reality. BLUE BELL KNOLL (the only CT CD I >own) is pretty rank in that department--ultra-fizzy and harsh--but I >remember TREASURE being fine. This has to do with actual CDs rather than an online subscription service, but the entire Cocteau Twins catalog has been remastered, and the reissues hit stores next month. I'm beginning to think there's a direct correlation between these two acts: A. Miles decides to stop waiting for remastered CDs by a particular artist, and goes ahead with purchases of the catalog CDs he had yet buy (ex: GARLANDS and TREASURE, bought in Feb. and March) B. Artist's entire catalog remastered and reissued within six months of A. I think I'll go out and buy CDs of THE TOP and JAPANESE WHISPERS right now. later, Miles p.s.: doesn't work with buying vinyl of things that have never been on CD (i.e., me buying six copies of TRAP DOOR and PROOF THROUGH THE NIGHT won't make a CD version magically appear), nor does it work with artists where I have a complete collection already (ex: Game Theory). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:26:59 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Mitch Easter news Thanks Rog. I didn't know the website was up yet. Great news about the album. I'd heard they were going to be recording this summer, but I didn't know that am album was actually in the works. I guess I've heard a majority of the new songs from their shows over the past year and I must add that it is definitely a departure from the Let's Active sound. In fact Shalini sound more like Let's Active than FM. I'm not exactly sure who I'd compare it to, but it's certainly a more eclectic sound. As a point of reference they have been covering Music Machine's "The Trap" and Scott Walker's "Boy Child" along with the original "Love Slaves to Paradise Lost" which can be found on the Hit the Hay Vol. 5 compilation. "Love Slaves" to date seems to be a good indicator of the direction Mitch is taking. Larry |-----Original Message----- |From: Roger Winston [mailto:rwinston@tde.com] |Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:41 AM |To: the sound of the collective grumbling |Subject: [loud-fans] Mitch Easter news | | |Mitch has a new website, with some news: |http://www.fiendishminstrels.com/ | |New album coming later this year, finally... | |Latre. --Rog | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:43:44 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Mitch Easter news At 03:26 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: >FM. I'm not exactly sure who I'd compare it to, but it's certainly a >more eclectic sound. As a point of reference they have been covering >Music Machine's "The Trap" and Scott Walker's "Boy Child" along with the >original "Love Slaves to Paradise Lost" which can be found on the Hit >the Hay Vol. 5 compilation. "Love Slaves" to date seems to be a good >indicator of the direction Mitch is taking. Holy cow, it's a whole set of references with which I'm not familiar, so now I have *no* idea what to expect! Maybe that's good... I guess I need that comp, huh? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] book crossing for all you book readers out there... this is so cool - for some reason, this really hit home with me. i think this should be the real spirit of literature. http://bookcrossing.com brianna - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:22:19 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Fiction Plane (ns) This CD might not be the best album every recorded, but it just may be the record I've been most enthused about after three listens in a very long time. The CD is "Everything will never be the same." Anyone else heard this one? Left ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:24:55 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Fiction Plane (ns) <> My bad......it's "Everything will never be ok." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:47:59 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] book crossing At 02:14 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >for all you book readers out there... this is so cool - >for some reason, this really hit home with me. i think >this should be the real spirit of literature. I heard about this site/project a few months ago. While it's a laudable idea -- I'm constantly leaving books out on the stoop for the neighbors or whoever to pick through, and my vacation reading often consists of paperbacks I leave in hotel rooms or airplane pockets -- I thought the text of the sticker they sugest putting on the books was rather dippy, and in these days of "Oh, the Secretary of the Treasury caused the stock market to plummet, better throw up an Orange Alert to distract people," I daresay the duct tape and plastic sheeting crowd don't wish to find mysterious objects where they don't belong. S NP: THE ORIGINAL SOUND OF SHEFFIELD, '83-'87 (alternate title: "Cabaret Voltaire started sucking sometime around late '84") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:04:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing At 05:47 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Stewart Mason wrote: >NP: THE ORIGINAL SOUND OF SHEFFIELD, '83-'87 (alternate title: "Cabaret >Voltaire started sucking sometime around late '84") The alternate subject line for this post is "First urge of 2003 to say 'Bite me, Stewart.'" :-) later, Miles, whose three favorite Cabs albums in order are: MICRO-PHONIES ('84) THE CRACKDOWN ('83) THE COVENANT, THE SWORD, AND THE ARM OF THE LORD ('85) p.s.: Stewart, do two of these three make it past your "Suck" point on the timeline, or only one? p.p.s.: the recent reappearance on the CD release schedule of four of the six heretofore "never on CD" Neil Young albums is already drawing lots of comments on other lists to which I belong, so I will say preemptively that I am completely friggin' amazed at how universally panned HAWKS AND DOVES and re*ac*tor seem to be -- I've always loved them both and see them as sort of expanded versions of Side A and Side B (respectively) of RUST NEVER SLEEPS, and of comparable quality. Heck, re*ac*tor is one of my five favorite Neil Young albums ever. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:11:06 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing At 05:04 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >At 05:47 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Stewart Mason wrote: >>NP: THE ORIGINAL SOUND OF SHEFFIELD, '83-'87 (alternate title: "Cabaret >>Voltaire started sucking sometime around late '84") > >The alternate subject line for this post is "First urge of 2003 to say 'Bite me, Stewart.'" :-) > >later, > >Miles, >whose three favorite Cabs albums in order are: >MICRO-PHONIES ('84) >THE CRACKDOWN ('83) >THE COVENANT, THE SWORD, AND THE ARM OF THE LORD ('85) > >p.s.: Stewart, do two of these three make it past your "Suck" point on the timeline, or only one? Only the last, and even it's not as dire as CODE or anything that came after. Listening to this -- and it's only fair to point out that this is a collection of 12" single mixes, many of them by folks other than Kirk and Mallinder -- it just seems clearer than ever to me that CabVolt peaked sometime around RED MECCA. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing i'm so bummed - i thought that was going to be about leaving bottles of wine around for people to find. On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:04:17 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: > > At 05:47 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Stewart Mason wrote: > >NP: THE ORIGINAL SOUND OF SHEFFIELD, '83-'87 > (alternate title: "Cabaret > >Voltaire started sucking sometime around late '84") > > The alternate subject line for this post is "First urge > of 2003 to say 'Bite me, Stewart.'" :-) > > later, > > Miles, > whose three favorite Cabs albums in order are: > MICRO-PHONIES ('84) > THE CRACKDOWN ('83) > THE COVENANT, THE SWORD, AND THE ARM OF THE LORD ('85) > > p.s.: Stewart, do two of these three make it past your > "Suck" point on the timeline, or only one? > > p.p.s.: the recent reappearance on the CD release > schedule of four of the six heretofore "never on CD" > Neil Young albums is already drawing lots of comments > on other lists to which I belong, so I will say > preemptively that I am completely friggin' amazed at > how universally panned HAWKS AND DOVES and re*ac*tor > seem to be -- I've always loved them both and see them > as sort of expanded versions of Side A and Side B > (respectively) of RUST NEVER SLEEPS, and of comparable > quality. Heck, re*ac*tor is one of my five favorite > Neil Young albums ever. - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:29:31 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing Stewart said: > Only the last, and even it's not as dire as CODE or anything that came > after. Listening to this -- and it's only fair to point out that this > is a > collection of 12" single mixes, many of them by folks other than Kirk > and > Mallinder -- it just seems clearer than ever to me that CabVolt peaked > sometime around RED MECCA. I really like the _Microphonies_/_Drinking Gasoline_ period, and their IDM phase (the stuff on Instinct) was decent as well (the track "Resonator", from _Plasticity_, for example, stands proudly next to anything they ever did, IMO) A lot of Kirk's solo stuff is really good, too -- electro DJ's still drop Sweet Exorcist's "Clonk" and "Test One" into sets. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:30:28 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing At 07:29 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Dave Walker wrote: >Stewart said: > >>Only the last, and even it's not as dire as CODE or anything that came >>after. Listening to this -- and it's only fair to point out that this is a >>collection of 12" single mixes, many of them by folks other than Kirk and >>Mallinder -- it just seems clearer than ever to me that CabVolt peaked >>sometime around RED MECCA. > >I really like the _Microphonies_/_Drinking Gasoline_ period, and >their IDM phase (the stuff on Instinct) was decent as well >(the track "Resonator", from _Plasticity_, for example, >stands proudly next to anything they ever did, IMO) > >A lot of Kirk's solo stuff is really good, too -- >electro DJ's still drop Sweet Exorcist's "Clonk" and "Test One" >into sets. > Agreed w/Dave. I really like THE CONVERSATION, though I also feel (with Stewart) that CODE is an abomination of an album. THE COVENANT, THE SWORD... is a great overlooked avant-electro album, I think, and every time I listen to it I enjoy the hell out of it. RED MECCA seems overextended to me (I think VOICE OF AMERICA is much better), but I guess de gustibus non disputandum est. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Psalms_ 27:3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing > p.p.s.: the recent reappearance on the CD release schedule of four of > the six heretofore "never on CD" Neil Young albums is already drawing > lots of comments on other lists to which I belong, so I will say > preemptively that I am completely friggin' amazed at how universally > panned HAWKS AND DOVES and re*ac*tor seem to be -- I've always loved > them both and see them as sort of expanded versions of Side A and Side B > (respectively) of RUST NEVER SLEEPS, and of comparable quality. Heck, > re*ac*tor is one of my five favorite Neil Young albums ever. Hm...Ice magazine's pages make no mention of these pheneomena whatsoever, and at Amazon I'm only picking up on HAWKS AND DOVES, RE*AC*TOR, and (sing hosanna) ON THE BEACH (I guess an ambulance really can only go so fast). What's the fourth? And what are the two we're still waiting on? TRANS is out, if you don't mind, so I'm told, a lame remix of "Sample And Hold" replacing the vinyl version. Have I told all Crazy Horse fans to dig THE COMPLEX SESSIONS yet? Andy "Bottom line: who cares. I'm never going to live like a rock star, so none of it applies to me." - --Ely Zero III on http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/mudshark.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:39:46 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing At Thursday 5/22/2003 04:30 PM -0700, Matthew Weber wrote: >Agreed w/Dave. I really like THE CONVERSATION, though I also feel (with >Stewart) that CODE is an abomination of an album. Isn't CODE the CabVol album that Bill Nelson played on (or produced or something)? Or am I insane? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:41:48 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing At 05:39 PM 5/22/2003 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >At Thursday 5/22/2003 04:30 PM -0700, Matthew Weber wrote: > >>Agreed w/Dave. I really like THE CONVERSATION, though I also feel (with >>Stewart) that CODE is an abomination of an album. > >Isn't CODE the CabVol album that Bill Nelson played on (or produced or >something)? Or am I insane? > You're in full possession of your faculties, Rog. He plays funk guitar on a few tracks on CODE, but it's still a pretty dull album. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Psalms_ 27:3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing Miles Goosens wrote: > Heck, re*ac*tor is one of my > five favorite Neil Young albums ever. It's my #1. I had no idea there were Neil Young fans who disliked it. I do remember that Rolling Stone gave it a good review at the time. - -- SLAW * SNAKES & LADDERS Experimental popular children's music for adults http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Slaw ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:20:09 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Neil Young (was Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing) At 04:40 PM 03-05-22 -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >Hm...Ice magazine's pages make no mention of these pheneomena whatsoever, >and at Amazon I'm only picking up on HAWKS AND DOVES, RE*AC*TOR, and (sing >hosanna) ON THE BEACH (I guess an ambulance really can only go so fast). >What's the fourth? And what are the two we're still waiting on? > Fourth one is American Stars & Bars, essential for the studio version of "Like A Hurricane." That leaves Journey Through The Past and Time Fades Away still missing. Apparently he hates TFA, but some of us think it's essential Neil. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:35:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing Andy H.: >Hm...Ice magazine's pages make no mention of these pheneomena whatsoever, The one I got earlier this week has the full story, though I'd already seen the press notices on several lists. >and at Amazon I'm only picking up on HAWKS AND DOVES, RE*AC*TOR, and (sing >hosanna) ON THE BEACH (I guess an ambulance really can only go so fast). >What's the fourth? And what are the two we're still waiting on? Fourth = AMERICAN STARS 'N' BARS Missing two = TIME FADES AWAY (problems with the master tapes) and JOURNEY THROUGH THE PAST (video sound source, apparently problematic) >TRANS is out, if you don't mind, so I'm told, a lame remix of "Sample And >Hold" replacing the vinyl version. Absolutely true, and has been for a while. But because of said "lame remix," I've held off on buying it. Which version leads off LUCKY THIRTEEN? If it's the right one, I might buy both it and the TRANS CD. later, Miles, who also likes TRANS more than most human beings and highly recommends for TRANS fans the Live in Berlin DVD - great versions, and the bizarre sight of Neil and Nils "playing" vocoder parts while rolling around the stage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:53:02 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing Quoting Matthew Weber : > At 05:39 PM 5/22/2003 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: > >Isn't CODE the CabVol album that Bill Nelson played on (or produced or > >something)? Or am I insane? > > > You're in full possession of your faculties, Rog. Now let's not get carried away, Matt. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:27:09 -0700 From: *THAT* Matt Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing At 10:53 PM -0500 5/22/03, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Quoting Matthew Weber : > > > At 05:39 PM 5/22/2003 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: > > >Isn't CODE the CabVol album that Bill Nelson played on (or produced or > > >something)? Or am I insane? > > > > > You're in full possession of your faculties, Rog. > >Now let's not get carried away, Matt. > >..Jeff > >J e f f r e y N o r m a n >The Architectural Dance Society >www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html Perhaps I should have added "such as they are." Matt dio kalws apefenanto tajaqon, ou pant' efietai. Aristotle (384-322 B.C.), Nicomachean Ethics ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:02:35 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing At Thursday 5/22/2003 09:35 PM -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >Absolutely true, and has been for a while. But because of said "lame >remix," I've held off on buying it. Which version leads off LUCKY >THIRTEEN? If it's the right one, I might buy both it and the TRANS CD. The CD of TRANS that I have is a German or French import that I got in June 93. I Take it this is not the same version Andy was referring to? I don't remember Sample And Hold being any different than the vinyl version, but maybe I'm unable to distinguish lame remixes... >Miles, >who also likes TRANS more than most >human beings and highly recommends >for TRANS fans the Live in Berlin >DVD - great versions, and the bizarre >sight of Neil and Nils "playing" >vocoder parts while rolling around >the stage Miles, as most always, you rock. I like TRANS a lot and even saw Neil live during that tour, totally solo, which was odd with the TRANS material. The BERLIN concert/video is also pretty great. I had a videotape of it and was really happy when it came out on DVD. The title song is one of my all-time favorite Neil songs. I don't think I've ever seen any version of it available on record - just on that one video. Like he composed it on the spot or something. Latre. --Rog (sold my faculties to the highest bidder long ago) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:38:35 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: Neil Young (was Re: [loud-fans] Cabs crossing) > That leaves Journey Through The Past and Time Fades Away still missing. > Apparently he hates TFA, but some of us think it's essential Neil. He hates it, huh? That's my favorite. - Dan ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #147 *******************************