From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #146 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, May 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Re: six feet under [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: six feet under [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] new porn (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Tim Walters ] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Stewart Mason ] NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) [OptionsR] Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) [Dan ] Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) ["Jos] Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! [Tim Walters ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:41:51 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: six feet under Quoting Stewart Mason : > More likely Scoot's fave rave T.S. Eliot -- "He Do the Police In > Different > Voices" was the original title of "The Waste Land." "Scoot"? Is he going through a Dutch phase or something? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:29:26 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) Watched this for the first time in a while last night, and was struck by how well it holds up (except for some cheesiness near the end, which I've decided to consider part of its charm). Unfortunately, though, it looks like my videotape is slowly dying and I'm wondering if anyone knows if this has come out on DVD anywhere, or failing that, if anyone knows a good place to check for Australian DVD's. - --dana >Wow, Interpol provide the backing music while Joey and Rachel (or was it Joey and Monica, or was it Ross and Monica, or was it Will and Grace...)sucked face in last week's Friends, and it doesn't even merit a mention in the newsletter. You guys *are* tough to impress!! sorry about that. I don't watch 'friends' and the episodes we get in the UK are about 4 months behind anyway. Lyle did tell me about this but I spaced on it. are there any black friends yet? Gerard Cosloy ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) - --- Dana Paoli wrote: > Unfortunately, though, it looks like my videotape is slowly dying and I'm wondering if > anyone knows if this has come out on DVD anywhere, or failing that, if anyone knows a > good place to check for Australian DVD's. > > --dana > Ozzie DVD's won't do you much good. They're coded as Region 4, which isn't a problem if you've got a region-free DVD player, as well as being in PAL format as opposed to the North American NTSC format. Otherwise, they'll work just fine :) - - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:51:38 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) > Ozzie DVD's won't do you much good. They're coded as Region 4, which isn't a problem if > you've got a region-free DVD player, as well as being in PAL format as opposed to the > North American NTSC format. For those who feel shut out: I just bought a Cyberhome 500 DVD player for $75. It plays DVDs of all regions, and can convert signals for PAL or NTSC films. Now all I have to do is start watching DVDs. (I needed it for the movie I'm making, which is shot in PAL format.) I hear that computer DVD players can do PAL or NTSC too, though I don't know if they're region-insensitive. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:56:01 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) > For those who feel shut out: I just bought a Cyberhome 500 DVD player > for $75. It plays DVDs of all regions, and can convert signals for PAL > or NTSC films. Now all I have to do is start watching DVDs. (I needed > it for the movie I'm making, which is shot in PAL format.) I meant, "convert signals for PAL or NTSC TVs," which means that all you need is the DVD player. I like DOGS IN SPACE too, and amazon.uk sells a Region 2 DVD of it. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) - --- Dan Sallitt wrote: > For those who feel shut out: I just bought a Cyberhome 500 DVD player > for $75. It plays DVDs of all regions, and can convert signals for PAL > or NTSC films. Now all I have to do is start watching DVDs. (I needed > it for the movie I'm making, which is shot in PAL format.) Too bad it won't play those Russian DVDs in SECAM. I hear they're *very* reasonably priced. - - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) > Ozzie DVD's won't do you much good. They're coded as Region 4, which > isn't a problem if you've got a region-free DVD player, as well as being > in PAL format as opposed to the North American NTSC format. I ran into a college professor last week who's experimenting with some computer program allegedly enabling your mundane (and computer-based I guess) DVD to play different codes, different regions. He took home Ayoma Shinji's EUREKA, a film I try to get people to watch. I won't pretend that I understand this region, code, and NTSC stuff (any suggestions on a web page explaining it in plain English?), but anything which might allow people to see EUREKA is provisionally okay by me. Anyone know anything more about such programs? But the last time I checked, everybody on this list owned at least one *state*-of-the-art home entertainment center. Not sure why Dan's shooting a Yankee film in PAL format (is another "Diary of a Low-Budget Filmmaker in the works?), Andy May 21, 2003 | LOS ANGELES (AP) -- How many roads must a man walk down before Martin Scorsese makes a movie about him? The answer, my friend, is in the tentatively titled "Bob Dylan Anthology Project," a biography about the iconic folk singer directed by the "Gangs of New York" filmmaker. The film, planned for release in 2005, will chronicle Dylan's 1963 breakthrough and the cultural and political influence of his music, Scorsese and his producing partners said Tuesday. "I've admired and enjoyed his many musical transformations," Scorsese said in a statement. "For me, there is no other musical artist who weaves his influences so densely to create something so personal and unique." In addition to playing in some theaters, the movie will also be broadcast on PBS in the United States and the BBC in the United Kingdom. The documentary is in the tradition of "The Last Waltz," Scorsese's 1978 concert film about the Band, which also featured Dylan. The Dylan film is expected to feature live concert performances, studio recording sessions and a rare interview with the singer-songwriter. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has described Dylan, 62, as "the pre-eminent poet/lyricist and songwriter of his time" for composing such songs as "Like a Rolling Stone," "Blowin' in the Wind" and "Mr. Tambourine Man." Dylan also acts and sings in the upcoming fictional drama "Masked and Anonymous," set to debut July 25. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) - --- "G. Andrew Hamlin" wrote: > I ran into a college professor last week who's experimenting with some > computer program allegedly enabling your mundane (and computer-based I > guess) DVD to play different codes, different regions. He took home Ayoma > Shinji's EUREKA, a film I try to get people to watch. I won't pretend > that I understand this region, code, and NTSC stuff (any suggestions on a > web page explaining it in plain English?), but anything which might allow > people to see EUREKA is provisionally okay by me. Anyone know anything > more about such programs? > Just to muddy the water a bit more... FORMATS ====================== PAL stands for Phase Alternation Lines (625 lines) and offers more picture detail and wider luminance (color signal) bandwidth. PAL has been adopted by almost all 50 Hz countries in the world. NTSC stands for National Television Standard Committee which established the American TV broadcast TV standard as a 525 line broadcast. The NTSC system has higher frame rate (60 Hz) which reduces visible flicker and picture noise. SECAM stands for SEquential Couleur Avec Memoire and is used in France and many eastern European countries. The Secam system also has 625 lines and offers good picture detail and stable hues. REGIONS ====================== Because DVD is subject to the same issues of piracy and market sharing that govern the entire video industry, DVD region encoding was introduced to set geopolitical boundaries for compatibility of DVDs and players. For instance, a DVD encoded for Region 1 can only be played on a Region 1 (U.S. and Canada) DVD player. Currently there are six global DVD regions, and DVD manufacturers can encode their product to play in any combination of regions. The vast majority of DVDs are Region 1 or 2 compatible, and many DVDs are "all-region"--suitable for playback on any player, anywhere. - - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:28:53 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: six feet under Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >"Scoot"? Is he going through a Dutch phase or something? > >..Jeff > > Must have been a side effect of asserting that he knows how to pronounce Van Gogh. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] scott in the news?!?!? from anton: "the sacramento bee is running a story on scott" wow - pretty cool! and long overdue, but hey, i guess ya take it when you can get it, huh? sue, do you kow when this will be out, and where we can find it online? brianna - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:09:07 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] space dogs (ns) So, it turns out, after a day of googling, that it was released on DVD sometime recently in the UK. But, if the reviews on amazon.co.uk are to be believed, said DVD is either from the planet pooftah or the planet stupidah. Guess it's time to hit eBay for another tape. Yow, the soundtrack (on CD) is going for over $50. It is "pooftah" right??? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:31:17 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] new porn (ns) The new New Pornographers hit eMusic today. So did Super Furry Animals (yay). So did the Strokes (boo). Aaron was right: I do like Manitoba. Not sure what you call it. Psych-laptop?? I'm sure it has a name, though. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:20:09 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns) > Not sure why Dan's shooting a Yankee film in PAL format As Pete O. pointed out, PAL has more lines and gives a better image than our NTSC format. Lots of DV filmmakers shoot PAL. >(is another "Diary > of a Low-Budget Filmmaker in the works?) No, I felt as if I'd done that already. And it was a major amount of work, so I let the diary go this time. I think people liked the diary better than the movie, though! - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:55:26 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Bill Smith As long as we're giving eMusic tips: best thing I've found there recently is a 1959 post-bop jazz session led by clarinetist Bill Smith called FOLK JAZZ. Yep, it's Smith and a piano-less trio taking the melodies and chords of old folk standards and turning them into these cool little KIND OF BLUE-style modal jazz pieces. Sounds like a daft idea at first, but the results are absolutely ravishing. Well worth checking out. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:29:14 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! Quoting Aaron Mandel : > This seems to be making the rounds... > > http://www.mp3.com/dokaka > > One guy, meticulously multitracking a capella versions of (mostly) prog > and metal songs. > Try "21st Century Schizoid Man" first. My favorite was "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" (part II, if you're wondering): y'know that part that sounds kinda like a chicken? brrr-drr-drr brr-drr-drr b-KAWW! ? The guy pretty much exactly does it like a chicken - cracked me up completely. I think the genius was, you'd think "a cappella - okay, I'll sing all the instrumental parts"...but he also does all the percussion. With Crimson, sounds kinda like Indonesian monkey chanting... Oh - Tim's not joking about the pitch problems: "Larks' Tongues" sounds practically atonal in this incarnation.... Still, pretty impressive in a peculiar way. Jeff, thinking it's too bad he didn't do "The Talking Drum" and segue into "Larks' Tongues" - for that violin bit he coulda just screamed a hundred times... Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:07:14 -0700 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 08:29 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Oh - Tim's not joking about the pitch problems: "Larks' Tongues" sounds > practically atonal in this incarnation.... Check out "Peg" -- the intro sounds like Harry Partch on 'ludes. Quite nice, actually, but probably not what Messrs. Fagen and Becker had in mind. Speaking of Emusic, I had my first Emusic temptation today--I was realizing that I needed to hear some Skip James, and I thought to myself, "I wonder if Emusic has any of his stuff. That would be an interesting test." Sure enough, they had THE COMPLETE EARLY RECORDINGS, and sure enough, the excerpts made me want it pretty bad. Then I checked out TREASURE by the Cocteau Twins, and the crappiness of the sound brought me back to reality. BLUE BELL KNOLL (the only CT CD I own) is pretty rank in that department--ultra-fizzy and harsh--but I remember TREASURE being fine. I suppose I should compare them more closely before I judge, but for now I'm still leery of paying $120 up front for something that will just make me wish I had the CD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:12:11 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! At 09:07 PM 5/21/2003 -0700, Tim Walters wrote: >On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 08:29 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >wrote: > >> Oh - Tim's not joking about the pitch problems: "Larks' Tongues" sounds >> practically atonal in this incarnation.... > >Check out "Peg" -- the intro sounds like Harry Partch on 'ludes. Quite >nice, actually, but probably not what Messrs. Fagen and Becker had in >mind. What struck me about "Peg" is how close he got at times to the sound of the actual bass line of that song. It was one of his better efforts, I thought. >Then I checked out TREASURE by the Cocteau Twins, and the crappiness of >the sound brought me back to reality. BLUE BELL KNOLL (the only CT CD I >own) is pretty rank in that department--ultra-fizzy and harsh--but I >remember TREASURE being fine. I suppose I should compare them more >closely before I judge, but for now I'm still leery of paying $120 up >front for something that will just make me wish I had the CD. Eh? What $120 up front? S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:24:55 EDT From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) In a message dated 05/21/2003 9:52:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time, sallitt@post.harvard.edu writes: > It plays DVDs of all regions, and can convert signals for PAL > or NTSC films. Now all I have to do is start watching DVDs. Wait a minute here...don't you also have to have a TV that can translate PAL singals as well, or does that all get dealt with before the signal reaches the TV? I have a Phillips DVD player that claims to play DVD's of all regions, but doesn't the TV/monitor have something to do with the picture quality, too? If I don't need to get a new TV to watch UK DVD's, I've got some catching up to do, like that Slade movie "Flame" for starters... And Dana, it's "poofter", but since the folks in "Dogs In Space" are Strines (Albini-ese for "Australians"), it's easy to make that mistake. In case you're a collector, the Australian version of the "Dogs" soundtrack is significantly different from the one released in the rest of the world: the Primitive Calculators and Thrush tracks have vocals; there's dialogue from the film linking all the tracks; and, strangely enough, the "Green Dragon" story fades under into the score so you don't hear the end of the tale. We're all Frankies, Mike Bollman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:48:55 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) >>It plays DVDs of all regions, and can convert signals for PAL >>or NTSC TVs. Now all I have to do is start watching DVDs. > > Wait a minute here...don't you also have to have a TV that can translate PAL > singals as well, or does that all get dealt with before the signal reaches > the TV? I have a Phillips DVD player that claims to play DVD's of all > regions, but doesn't the TV/monitor have something to do with the picture > quality, too? If I don't need to get a new TV to watch UK DVD's, I've got > some catching up to do, like that Slade movie "Flame" for starters... I'll let you know for sure when I hook it up, but my tech friends told me in no uncertain terms that it can play PAL DVDs on NTSC TVs. Here's the web page: http://www.cyberhome.com/products.asp?Product=500 It says, "Selectable NTSC or PAL output." It doesn't say that it handles all regions, but there's a setting for that purpose - the word has been out on the net for at least six months. See the Cyberhome message board at www.nerd-out.com for various posts on the subject: http://www.nerd-out.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=34&sid=221278bd4bb93b2038b1d0b8194377de - - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: NTSC,SECAM,PAL,D-E-V-O (was Re: [loud-fans] dogs in space (ns)) On Thu, 22 May 2003 OptionsR@aol.com wrote: > Wait a minute here...don't you also have to have a TV that can translate PAL > singals as well, or does that all get dealt with before the signal reaches > the TV? I have a Phillips DVD player that claims to play DVD's of all > regions, but doesn't the TV/monitor have something to do with the picture > quality, too? If I don't need to get a new TV to watch UK DVD's, I've got > some catching up to do, like that Slade movie "Flame" for starters... The all-region DVD player we have (APEX 600) has a button to switch between NTSDC and PAL video, which it then translates to NTSC en route to the TV. In other words, the DVD player does the necessary conversion to NTSC. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:14:02 -0700 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dokaka! On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 09:12 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > Eh? What $120 up front? I was thinking of the 12 months for $9.99 a month plan, but you're right, there's also $14.99 a month for 3 months--still, rightly or wrongly, a psychological barrier for me. And I don't like the way their web site design makes it easy to sign up for a free trial, but hard to find out the subscription rates without doing so. But I admit that I'm being irrational about it. For some reason it reminds me of record clubs, and I always had an irrational dislike of those, too. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #146 *******************************