From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #141 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, May 17 2003 Volume 03 : Number 141 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Apple has a lot to answer for (ns) [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] MOTU AudioDesk and 896 Experience? (ns) [Cardinal007 Subject: [loud-fans] Apple has a lot to answer for (ns) The AppleMusic.com/iTunes commercial where the guy with the MP3 player and headphones on sings along to My Generation for a full 30 seconds (one minute?) makes me want to never watch television again (which I guess could be construed in some circles as a good thing), so that I never accidentally run into it again. And I've only seen it twice so far. Apple, I'm not even going to consider buying an iPod or signing up for iTunes until you GET THAT DAMN COMMERCIAL OFF THE AIR!! Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. Please go back to dropping silverware on pianos. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:09:05 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Apple has a lot to answer for (ns) >The AppleMusic.com/iTunes commercial where the guy with the MP3 player and >headphones on sings along to My Generation for a full 30 seconds (one >minute?) makes me want to never watch television again (which I guess could >be construed in some circles as a good thing), so that I never accidentally >run into it again. And I've only seen it twice so far. This is why I usually watch TV with the sound off... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:16:02 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Apple has a lot to answer for (ns) Quoting Roger Winston : > The AppleMusic.com/iTunes commercial where the guy with the MP3 player > and > headphones on sings along to My Generation for a full 30 seconds (one > minute?) makes me want to never watch television again (which I guess > could > be construed in some circles as a good thing), so that I never > accidentally > run into it again. I thought those fancy-ass digital-whatsit viewing thingies allowed you to skip commercials. And then there's the old-fashioned Luddite method of pressing MUTE... Now if only they'd come up with a visual MUTE so I don't have to be terrorized by the face of Carrot Top... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ :: Terrorism is the war of the poor. :: War is the terrorism of the rich. :: --Peter Ustinov ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:58:33 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Apple has a lot to answer for (ns) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 5/16/2003 7:16:02 AM wrote: > I thought those fancy-ass digital-whatsit viewing thingies allowed you to > skip commercials. Not if you're watching Live live (as opposed to Delayed live), which I am occasionally "forced" to do. > And then there's the old-fashioned Luddite method of > pressing MUTE... Wouldn't help - the visuals of the commercial disturb me as much as the audio portion. Plus, my mind will now unfortunately automatically fill in the audio for me, if I even catch a glimpse of the guy. > Now if only they'd come up with a visual MUTE so I don't have to be > terrorized by the face of Carrot Top... That's what I need. But how do you know when to un-Mute? Okay, time to go find something else to whine about. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:39:05 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] online console gaming (ns) Does anyone here participate in any PS2 Online or Xbox Live gaming? Reply privately if you don't want everyone knowing your deep dark secret. Thanks! Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Apple has a lot to answer for (ns) On Fri, 16 May 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > The AppleMusic.com/iTunes commercial where the guy with the MP3 player and > headphones on sings along to My Generation for a full 30 seconds (one > minute?) makes me want to never watch television again (which I guess could > be construed in some circles as a good thing), so that I never accidentally > run into it again. And I've only seen it twice so far. Even worse, possibly (as I haven't seen that ad), is the ad for iTunes that has a 12ish boy singing the chorus of "The Real Slim Shady". I wanted to smack him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Honey in the Chemicals, Low, Kim Richey >(Beaver and Krause recorded an > album in the early '70s that has a track featuring a Gerry Mulligan sax solo that's based on a similar principle, but I'm blanking on the title and feeling too lazy to go out to The Hallway Of Vinyl and dig it out.) AllMusic indicates that Mulligan performs on 1971's GANDHARVA (along with Mike Bloomfield and Ronnie Montrose, even), so that's most likely the one. No reviews for those Beaver and Krause sets, yet--I think opportunity knocks for somebody... I remember seeing A GUIDE TO ELECTRONIC MUSIC at the library when I was a kid, but never paid it much attention. My error, I perceive now. Low: Loved the early works, got a little uneasy with the opening up of the sound on SECRET NAME but still loved "Starfire," followed them with some mixed feelings ever since. "Dinosaur Act" from THINGS WE LOST IN THE FIRE, that's another heart-stopper. Don't have the latest one. The CHRISTMAS record--five originals, four classic Christmas numbers--is one of the few Christmas records I can not only stomach but revere. Hopefully it's easier to find than it was in 1999. More glad than ever I don't watch much TV. Though MC 900 Ft. Jesus had this interesting song about watching with the sound off... Andy "It's never too late to become a criminal." - --written in ball-point pen on the cardboard box holding up the monitor at station 4 here at work ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:40:55 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Sirens of Portland (ns) The new Dandy Warhols album is available to stream (legally) at: http://capitolrecords.com/dandywarhols/albumplayer/ Have any of the prog-rock fans here checked out Opeth's "Blackwater Park" on eMusic yet? I think you might like it. Very little death metal. Much prog rock, '70's style. Very nice. If I'm remembering right, track #2 is a good one to sample. I still have several Opeth albums to work through. Also, I never noticed until yesterday that the whole newish John Cunningham album is available at eMusic. For a long time, only one song was there. Fans of Paul McCartney or Fugu, it's where you wanna be. And I may have to eat some crow regarding the new Lilys album, but I'm still processing. Dislike the sound, but the chord changes are fab. People who *don't* dislike the sound may like it a lot. I'm eagerly awaiting Jeff's opinion. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:12:42 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sirens of Portland (ns) On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 06:40 PM, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > Have any of the prog-rock fans here checked out Opeth's "Blackwater > Park" > on eMusic yet? I think you might like it. Very little death metal. > Much prog rock, '70's style. Very nice. If I'm remembering right, > track > #2 is a good one to sample. I still have several Opeth albums to work > through. Unrelated except for the Emusic part... one of Emusic's newer label signings is the Certificate 18 label out of the U.K. For the one or two of you out there who might be interested in drum & bass, pretty much everything I've downloaded on the label has been excellent. You could start with the Hidden Rooms 2 comp and get more stuff from the artists there that strike your fancy, but I'm particularly attached to the Klute, Pilote, and Polar albums. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:08:42 -0400 From: Cardinal007 Subject: [loud-fans] MOTU AudioDesk and 896 Experience? (ns) Do any of the musicians, engineers, or techies on the list have any experience with MOTU's AudioDesk as a Mac-based recording application? If so, can you share any thoughts and experiences? I am inches from taking the plunge on a MOTU 896 as the front-end for a home recording studio [Mac G4 Tower, and 900-mhz iBook for location recording]. It looks and sounds just dreamy, but I'd love to hear practical thoughts from real users. Thanks! ObligLoudSortaContent: The studio will primarily be used [hopefully] to record quirky, intelligent guitar-driven pop music. Probably with a harsher, less-refined edge than most of the music discussed on the list, but suitably close. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 23:40:37 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sirens of Portland (ns) Quoting dana-boy@juno.com: > Have any of the prog-rock fans here checked out Opeth's "Blackwater > Park" > on eMusic yet? I think you might like it. Very little death metal. > Much prog rock, '70's style. Very nice. If I'm remembering right, > track > #2 is a good one to sample. I still have several Opeth albums to work > through. The question here is: like seemingly every other metal band of the last ten years, did they hire Animal from The Muppets to do the vocals? I suppose I should check it out...my ex-student metal-DJ acquaintance probably wouldn't forgive me if I didn't. Also: which kind of '70s prog? Yes? ELP? Crimson? the Canterbury gang? Genesis? etc. This semester I had the main songwriter/singer/guitarist for emo-ish local act Menlo in my class - he bribed me with a CD last week (fortunately, he's a very bright guy who'd get an A even if I weren't - I mean, despite his teacher's imperviousness to such blandishments). Another musical ex-student of mine: Erik Kowalski, the guy behind Casino vs. Japan (I suspect only Dave Walker here might be a fan, but hey - pretty good stuff, sez I). > > Also, I never noticed until yesterday that the whole newish John > Cunningham album is available at eMusic. For a long time, only one song > was there. Fans of Paul McCartney or Fugu, it's where you wanna be. Well, the description sounds intriguing - and although I hadn't listened to Fugu, *that* one sounded intriguing enough to download as well. > And I may have to eat some crow regarding the new Lilys album, but I'm > still processing. Dislike the sound, but the chord changes are fab. > People who *don't* dislike the sound may like it a lot. I'm eagerly > awaiting Jeff's opinion. But wait - I'd actually have to *buy* this one. (Actually, I've purchased five or six CDs in the last month, so I'm still helping non-eMusic labels out...) For some reason, May 20 was in my mind as a release date - but I forget, Dana lives in the land of "release date? we don't need no steenkin' release date!" I'm surprised no one's talking about the new Richard Thompson here (even more surprised no one's doing so over on Fegmaniax). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Californians invented the concept of the life-style. :: This alone warrants their doom. :: --Don DeLillo, _White Noise_ lp: freebie insound.com sampler _Rock Reborn_ - I thought it'd be all neo-garage, but it's more diverse than that: some tracks are a bit math-y, one's a dead ringer for Brainiac... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:14:13 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: The old Kit Bag (was Re: [loud-fans] Sirens of Portland (ns)) Jeffrey Norman wrote: >I'm surprised no one's talking about the new Richard Thompson here (even >more surprised no one's doing so over on Fegmaniax). OK, since you mention it...THE OLD KIT BAG is an excellent record. To me it's not quite up to the standard set by its predecessor, MOCK TUDOR (for my money his finest record of the 90's, and best overall since SHOOT OUT THE LIGHTS), but it's close. I read an interesting observation the other day about it, that KIT BAG' s more in keeping with his other post-Linda stuff than MOCK TUDOR, and the best of that breed. It is a consistently interesting record, if not as dynamic as MOCK TUDOR. If there was a tune on KIT BAG that knocked me out the way "Sights and Sounds of London Town" does, I'd maybe rank them even. I saw him with band last Saturday night (he'd appeared at the same Lawrence, KS venue in January) and he was predictably excellent. I highly recommend going to see the tour, which I think is on the West Coast this weekend and beyond. b.s. n.p. Gillian Welch SOUL JOURNEY ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:54:39 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: The old Kit Bag (was Re: [loud-fans] Sirens of Portland (ns)) >> I'm surprised no one's talking about the new Richard Thompson here (even >> more surprised no one's doing so over on Fegmaniax). > > OK, since you mention it...THE OLD KIT BAG is an excellent record. To me > it's not quite up to the standard set by its predecessor, MOCK TUDOR > (for my money his finest record of the 90's, and best overall since > SHOOT OUT THE LIGHTS), but it's close. That's about how I feel - not as good as MOCK TUDOR, but quite good. I've heard RT so much over the years that I can no longer judge the albums clearly, but KIT BAG is certainly giving me more pleasure than anything else I'm listening to except the excellent new Philip Price record. RT keeps trying to stretch himself, though he doesn't make fundamental changes. There's a cool song ("One Door Opens") that's about 2/3 in Arabic traditional mode, and 1/3 a Donovan song - it could almost have been on FIRST LIGHT or SUNNYVISTA. There are two mostly acoustic emotion-fests, in the recent Thompson style ("A Love You Can't Survive" and "Happy Days and Auld Lang Syne"), which I will probably wear out on quickly. And a few light-hearted rockers ("She Said It Was Destiny" and "Jealous Words") that don't make much of a dent in me. Oh, and a slow Euro-jazz number ("I've Got No Right to Have It All") that isn't up my alley. The rest of the album is clicking nicely with me. "Gethsemane" and "Outside of the Inside" are both in that familiar dark modal vein that Thompson mines so often, but the former has a cool arrangement built around a cycling guitar figure, and the latter is a quiet-then-loud portrait of a dangerous mind, a bit like "Love in a Faithless Country" from ACROSS A CROWDED ROOM. "Pearly Jim" is an angular, sort of forbidding song that eventually kicks into a pleasing, rocking harmony - it could have been on one of the French Frith Kaiser Thompson records, or maybe again on ACROSS A CROWDED ROOM (it's a little like "Fire in the Engine Room"). "Words Unspoken, Sight Unseen" seems slight and mild, but the melody is really beautiful and catchy, and RT reuses the "Bonanza" backbeat from "Don't Renege on Our Love." The expected long atmospheric number, usually not my favorite moment on RT albums, turns out to be really cool: "First Breath," built around a simple slow four-chord progression - but each chord is really juicy. And, finally, the simple straight-ahead rocker turns out to be maybe the best thing on the record: "I'll Tag Along," a goofy story of a pushy party-crasher that lands on one of those cool RT modal guitar riffs at the end of each verse. It's kind of a rewrite of one of the extra tracks on MOCK TUDOR, "Fully Qualified to Be Your Man," but poppier and more commanding. Aren't you glad you asked? I'm not on the RT list anymore, so this is my only outlet. - Dan ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #141 *******************************