From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #131 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, May 7 2003 Volume 03 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] CBC Radio "3" ["Paul King" ] [loud-fans] test [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] The Mercy and the Caution Lights [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] The CD Blowout goes on forever... [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Jim Knipfel, aka Slackjaw ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Jim Knipfel, aka Slackjaw [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] him 'n' her (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] Re: Recent Purchases [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Recent Purchases [Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] CBC Radio "3" I am a bit behind the times about CBC Radio 3. I didn't even know Canada had a "Radio 3" (and I'm living in Canada), but it appears so, as an Internet Radio station. But it appears more like a jukebox of alternative music, like the German Shitkatapult site posted earlier. http://www.cbcradio3.com/issues/2003_05_02/index.cfm At least this web page doesn't have messages like "sucking shit". :-) Paul King========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:58:22 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] test What subject line do you prefer to have assigned to ignorable test posts? (a) test (b) please ignore (c) just testing Please discuss your answer in no less than two paragraphs, each with topic sentence. Students actually replying to this message will receive a zero. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:06:45 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] The Mercy and the Caution Lights [None of the messages I sent to the list since mid-April actually posted. This was the most important one.] About a month ago, Jer Fairall sent me a swap CD with lots of catchy tunes and great flow. I've enjoyed it a lot, and want to note that while I'm not a big fan of every song taken by itself, the disk is somewhat more than the sum of its parts, which I admire very much in a mix disk. Below, I've laid out the organs of this pop beast on the dissecting table. Each gets stars, from ** to ****. No *s! Rainer Maria - Mystery and Misery *** Unabashedly over-the-top in emotion, grand in arrangement, driving and fast; vocals reminiscent of Bettie Serveert. With a title like "Mystery and Misery," there's obviously a fairly deep theme at work, and the band's name (apparently the first two names of the poet Rilke) indicates a certain ambition. I'd say it's a great attempt, even though my jaded perspective finds their earnestness sweet rather than moving. Zwan - Settle Down ** There's nothing wrong with this song, but to my ears it fails to distinguish itself from a fairly broad range of mid-'90s rock in the Smashing Pumpkins vein. It's catchy and performed as if with emotion, but it's too difficult for me to tell what the emotion is supposed to be. Polara - Is This It? **** My favorite song of the disk. Is this a top-40 hit? Because it's got a killer hook, a universal theme and ace production. A great radio tune. Richard Buckner - Loaded @ The Wrong Door *** One of the standout tracks from Buckner's latest, "Impasse." Classic Buckner; if you've heard any of his first three albums, you know to expect his particularly interesting wavering baritone and poetic musings on loss. Atom & His Package - Does Anyone Else In This Room Want To Marry His or Her Own Grandmother? ** A short, jokey ditty with a Casio drumbeat. Statuesque - Something to Declare *** I wish Statuesque had been around in the late 60s and early 70s, when their particular brand of quirkiness would have stood out more in the smaller field of competing bands, and been more influential. This band has interesting things to say, and says them in a very fun way. And (as someone else noted) their website is hilarious. I imagine it as notes on a gatefold LP cover. Per Gessle - Sheena is a Punk Rocker ** The Ramones sung ` la the Boomtown Rats' "I Don't Like Mondays," but by Paul Williams rather than Bob Geldof. Next for the treatment: "The Waist and the Knees." Seriously: why take one of the quintessential songs of celebration and turn it mournful? Martina Sorbara - Claudia ** An earnest singer-songwriter with elements of Amos (piano) and Parton (vocals). Sorry About Dresden - When You Cared ** A bit of a throwback to the early-80s New Wave, complete with Farfisa organ, jerky rhythms and Costelloesque vocals. Not half bad. Gerty - Just One More Time ** Nice synth-pop of the second rank. Dar Williams - The World's Not Falling Apart **** This is the first song I've heard by Dar Williams, whom I've certainly heard a lot about (most recently at a show by Canadian country-rocker Fred Eaglesmith, who joked that he got so many royalties after Dar covered one of his songs that from now on he'd be writing "lesbian song after lesbian song"). It's terrific, perfectly achieving the exhilaration of the best Jane Siberry tunes, for example, with even better singing and that killer hook I'm always looking for. My second favorite tune on the disk. Vitesse - Not Forever *** A great song very reminiscent of Stephin Merritt's most atmospheric pieces. Salteens - Let Go of Your Bad Days *** Sweet, catchy pop with just a tiny hint of bubblegum. The Kings - Liz and Dick ** Perfectly serviceable, straight-ahead pop-rock: if the Salteens remind one of the pop side of the late '60s and Sorry About Dresden of the New Wave early '80s, this is the light side of the mid- to late-70s. Somehow it reminds me of Greg Kihn without actually sounding like Greg Kihn, if that makes any sense. Kathleen Edwards - 12 Bellevue *** Nice! I like the bitter intensity of the vocals backed by the folk-tinged rock of the band, and especially the long instrumental fade. Patty Griffin - Mother of God ** A story-song about a broken family, hitting the same emotional tones as that Billy Bragg song that goes "Sometimes it takes a grown man a long time to learn / Just what it would take a child a night to learn." Jetplane Landing - A Miracle of Science ** Slow, wistful, yet with fairly heavy drums and a singer who sounds as if he's holding back--I'd like to hear what this band sounds like when they rock out. (Nothing about this band in eMusic, by the way--are they signed?) Cyndi Lauper - It's Hard To Be Me ** Tell it, Cyndi! I've always thought of her as the power-pop Poly Styrene. Thank you, Jer! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] test I'd vote against "Please Ignore". People will invariably open it to have a look. It's like trying not to look at a car crash. You just have to. Do I pass? - --- John Cooper wrote: > What subject line do you prefer to have assigned to ignorable test posts? > > (a) test > (b) please ignore > (c) just testing > > Please discuss your answer in no less than two paragraphs, each with topic > sentence. Students actually replying to this message will receive a zero. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:51:49 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] The CD Blowout goes on forever... Okay, I put aside a half hour to type up a list of as many albums as I could. All new, all power-pop oriented, mostly imports, many sealed, all freshly fallen from the trucks of Virgin, HMV, and Tower. (Sorry, Wherehouse fans.) $5 each, inquire off-list for titles... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Jim Knipfel, aka Slackjaw > He writes a column in a local weekly, and lately it's been about his brain tumor and the various tests that he's been getting. Most of his writing, that I've read, deals with his degenerative blindness and other medical problems. That's what I get for not reading the column. THE BUZZING befuddled me but I still pronounce it chockfull of vivid, memorable writing. His two memoirs, SLACKJAW and QUITTING THE NAROBI TRIO, are two of my favorite books of the last decade. > He must live near where I work, 'cause I see him on the street and in the subway all the time lately. I always have an urge to say hello, but I never do since I don't actually know him and, based on his past columns, I always assume that it would scare him. I wouldn't worry too much. I called him up out of the blue at the office of that local weekly--does he still work the phones there?--just to tell him how much I liked his books, and he was quite polite and accomodating. Even when I called back. We talked a lot about Klaus Schulze. I urged him to buy TOTENTAG. And I see here where Klaus is working on his second opera... Andy "The 'him' is the guitar, which is the group. There is another one but I think it is pretty much him." - --a certain label publicist on the White Stripes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:42:28 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] photographs of Kenny G.'s pubic hairs Quoting "Pete O." : > I'd vote against "Please Ignore". People will invariably open it to have > a look. It's > like trying not to look at a car crash. You just have to. I might have suggested "fuck off and die!" except some people would think it's a Black Francis reference and open it up... The real challenge here? Find a topic that Loudfans *aren't* interested in. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:59:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Recent Purchases I'm really enjoying Malkmus' PIG LIB. If you didn't like Pavement, this won't change your mind, but if you did, or did sometimes, it's probably a good bet. A couple of songs ("Ramp of Death", "Animal Midnight") rank up there with my favorite Pavement songs. The 9 minute marathon, "1% of One" keeps my attention the entire time, which is surprising because I think it is fairly bloated. Yet it works for me. There hasn't been much talk of Calexico on list, but FEAST OF WIRE has spent a long time in my recently imported playlist. The album is fairly eclectic, starting off reminiscent of the Jayhawks and then moving into latin jazz territory. I would think they'd have some fans on this list. Yo La Tengo's SUMMER SUN seems to be one step below AND THEN NOTHING, which was one step below I CAN HEAR. That said, there's a couple of really nice songs on here. "Little Eyes" is darn good, but the best song may be their Big Star cover, "Take Care." The almost whale sounding guitars in the background add some nice depth to a great song. Tangential Scott Content: I also picked up a copy of Yuji Oniki's ORANGE, and it's darn good pop. He even sings in Japanese at times, which ought to interest at least one person on this list. Is he playing in the Bay Area any time soon. Disappointments: I've gotten terribly anxious with boredom every time I've listened to Kristin Hersh's GROTTO. (Should have bought THrowing Muses instead). In the voice of David Spade: "The White Stripes' new album, ELEPHANT, was fantastic....when it was called WHITE BLOOD CELLS." Interested in hearing (more) thoughts on: New New Pornographers, Blur, The Exploding Hearts, Manitoba, Deerhoof. Other Randomness: Replay TV kicks ass. If you haven't seen the UK-only Honda Cog commercial, it's definitely worth downloading: http://multimedia.honda-eu.com/accord/ - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:22:28 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Recent Purchases I'm really enjoying Malkmus' PIG LIB. If you didn't like Pavement, this won't change your mind, but if you did, or did sometimes, it's probably a good bet. A couple of songs ("Ramp of Death", "Animal Midnight") rank up there with my favorite Pavement songs. The 9 minute marathon, "1% of One" keeps my attention the entire time, which is surprising because I think it is fairly bloated. Yet it works for me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even know that it's necessary to warn away Pavement haters as the new album, thankfully, sounds very little like anything Pavement did. It keeps reminding me of some prog-jazz-rock album from the early '70's that you might turn up in a thrift store. I'd say it's the best thing he's done since the first few songs on Wowee Zowee. Interested in hearing (more) thoughts on: New New Pornographers, Blur, The Exploding Hearts, Manitoba, Deerhoof. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been having fun reading the varying responses to the new Blur album. For some, it's a disaster (see allmusic). For others, it's great (see Mojo). I vote with great. The review at pitchforkmedia.com seems to get things right. - --dana np: Opeth/"Deliverance" ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jim Knipfel, aka Slackjaw - --- "G. Andrew Hamlin" wrote: > "The 'him' is the guitar, which is the group. There > is another one but I > think it is pretty much him." > > --a certain label publicist on the White Stripes I saw this group last week and I was spellbound by the 'her' in this group. She plays drums so wrong, but it sounds so good with 'him'. Technically, she could be the worst drummer I have ever seen. Absolutely no independence of feet and hands. No fills, no flash, but damn! It sounds so good! Gil The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:09:50 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] him 'n' her (ns) BTW, the White Stripes have a cover of Brendan Benson's "Good To Me" as the b-side for one of their UK singles. Parasol has it. Also, I forgot to mention it at the time, but I hope everyone caught their recent one-week stand on Conan O'Brien. I thought it was well worth being sleep deprived for a week. - --dana On Tue, 6 May 2003 19:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Gil Ray writes: > --- "G. Andrew Hamlin" wrote: > > > "The 'him' is the guitar, which is the group. There > > is another one but I > > think it is pretty much him." > > > > --a certain label publicist on the White Stripes > > I saw this group last week and I was spellbound by > the 'her' in this group. She plays drums so wrong, but > it sounds so good with 'him'. Technically, she could > be the worst drummer I have ever seen. Absolutely no > independence of feet and hands. No fills, no flash, > but damn! It sounds so good! > > Gil > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:48:25 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Recent Purchases Michael Mitton wrote: > Tangential Scott Content: I also picked up a copy of Yuji Oniki's > ORANGE, and it's darn good pop. He even sings in Japanese at times, > which ought to interest at least one person on this list. Is he > playing in the Bay Area any time soon? No. I talked to Yuji after Scott's Rock Soup Cafe show, and he said he's working on new material that doesn't really lend itself to being performed live, especially by one guy (he doesn't have a band anymore), so he doesn't have any plans to play live in the near future. > Interested in hearing (more) thoughts on: New New Pornographers, Blur, > The Exploding Hearts, Manitoba, Deerhoof If the New Pornographers' album is on Matador, shouldn't it be available via em---- eventually? I just tried artist, album, and track searches, and it doesn't seem to be there yet.. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:04:11 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Recent Purchases At 08:48 PM 5/6/2003 -0700, Steve Holtebeck wrote: >If the New Pornographers' album is on Matador, shouldn't it be available >via em---- eventually? I just tried artist, album, and track searches, >and it doesn't seem to be there yet. It probably won't be: Matador only licensed the US release of MASS ROMANTIC from their Canadian label, Mint, and that's probably the case for the new one as well. It's likely that the licensing agreement doesn't include eMusic availability. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Recent Purchases On Wed, 7 May 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > It probably won't be: Matador only licensed the US release of MASS > ROMANTIC from their Canadian label, Mint, and that's probably the case > for the new one as well. It's likely that the licensing agreement > doesn't include eMusic availability. Hm. The new one's actually got a Matador catalog number, unlike Mass Romantic (unless MR was really printed twice?), and most Matador releases are already only available to US eMusic users. Oh, and thirdly, eMusic completely hosed themselves with an "upgrade" last week, so I suspect new releases are coming slowly, if at all, for a while. Which is to say, I expect it to show up on eMusic eventually myself, but I bought a hard copy today anyhow. It's pretty good. I find myself more excited about Cobra Verde finally releasing a record I really like (I snapped it up on release day because it has a version of "Terrorist", which I thought was way better than anything else they'd done when it came out on a vinyl single they split with GBV years ago). a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 02:58:12 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Recent Purchases Aaron Mandel wrote: >I find myself more >excited about Cobra Verde finally releasing a record I really like > Uh-oh. Does this mean if I really liked the previous records, I won't like this one as much? 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