From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #123 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, April 29 2003 Volume 03 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Gig posters galore ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] Wherehouse Update ["Douglas Stanley" ] Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse Update [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Apple Music Service [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] Apple Music Service ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] highlight of today's mailbox [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:06:09 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Gig posters galore Cool site. Always have loved show posters Here's some by Casey Burns who does lots for Cat's Cradle shows, but there's many many more on this site to browse through. You can waste a lot of time here, though I guess waste is depending on your point of reference. http://www.gigposters.com/designers.php?designer=7498 Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:59:14 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: [loud-fans] Caitlin Cary > Oh, FWIW another gal with an alt.country pedigree (and little otherwise > to do with Lucinda Williams) has an excellent new record coming out > tomorrow. Be on the lookout for Caitlin Cary's I'M STAYING OUT, an even > better record than last year's fine full-length debut and one that > likely will be on some year-end list of mine somewhere. I wish I felt that this one was better or even as good as the last. I keep listening to it, and I'm starting to develop a modest appreciation, but I'd still have to call it a big sophomore slump after the brilliant collection of songs on WHILE YOU WEREN'T LOOKING. Not bad, but much more generic. Am I the only one reacting this way? All the press I've seen has been along the lines of "Another fine record," "Confirms the promise of," etc. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:33:41 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Wherehouse Update Well, All the Wherehouses in my neck of the woods are gone. Last weekend all used CDs were 20 cents. This weekend, everything was 85% off. Obviously, anything that was the least bit popular had already been sold. All that was left was basically three types of music: Latino, Xmas, and Loud-fan friendly. Below is a partial list of what I picked up, most of which I haven't listened to yet (so any comments are welcome). Used: Belly - King Posies - FOTB Emm Gryner - Public Scott McCaughey - Chartreuse Opinoin Slobberbone - Crow Pot Pie*** Pavement - Crooked Rain (the deluxe S&E was gone) Kevin salem - Glimmer New: Silos - Laser Beam Campfire Girls Dumptruck - Lemmings + Live Kasey Chambers - Barricades (not Kathleen Edwards like I thought before) Tift Merritt - Bramble Rose This is more music than I'd typically buy in an entire year, so I'm going to be busy. One interesting story - I was in one store (with several CDs in my hand) when a guy walked in an announced "I'll give you 10 cents for every CD in the store". The lone employee called his boss who OK'd the deal (which apparantly included the CDs in my hand). I protested and ended up offering the guy $1 a piece for the ones I had already picked out. He accepted, making 900% on his money and me getting (among other things) a new Silos CD for a buck. Woo-hoo! Doug *** The reason why I haven't listened to much else. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:28:58 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse Update Quoting Douglas Stanley : > to be busy. One interesting story - I was in one store (with several CDs > in > my hand) when a guy walked in an announced "I'll give you 10 cents for > every > CD in the store". The lone employee called his boss who OK'd the deal > (which > apparantly included the CDs in my hand). I protested and ended up > offering > the guy $1 a piece for the ones I had already picked out. He accepted, > making 900% on his money and me getting (among other things) a new Silos > CD for a buck. Woo-hoo! Which, of course, you should have got for a dime - or eleven cents: if the store's taking offers, the CDs in *your* hands aren't the guy's - you shoulda gone to the register, said "I'll offer 11 cents each for these," and they didn't accept, plop a buck on the counter and walk out with the CDs. All I know is, if I have a CD in my hands and someone else wants to purchase it, they're out of luck. ..Jeff, wondering if the guy was JRT - are we going to shortly see a list of used CDs available from him? J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] anybody have opinions on... the new swirlies record? i loved them early on, but thught the last thing i heard was durn near unlistenable. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:42:36 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] Apple Music Service Don't know if y'all have seen this yet, but Apple officially launched its online MP3 music service. $0.99 a track, with what at first glance seems to be a lot less restrictions than other services (excluding the o-most-holy Emusic, of course). Worth a look if you are a Mac OS X person....Windows people are out of luck for another month. its built into Itunes. Looks very major label oriented, which isn't all bad (Beck, U2, Dylan, the Who), but their servers are too bogged down to check real close for interesting artists right now., New ipods look sharp. Wish I had waited a couple months. No, actually, I don't. CP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Apple Music Service On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Chris Prew wrote: > New ipods look sharp. Wish I had waited a couple months. No, > actually, I don't. Auuughhhh! Text notes! Separate buttons! Solitare & Parachute(?)! Oh well. Early adopters always suffer... Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:19:40 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Apple Music Service At 02:42 PM 4/28/2003 -0500, Chris Prew wrote: >Don't know if y'all have seen this yet, but Apple officially launched >its online MP3 music service. $0.99 a track, with what at first glance >seems to be a lot less restrictions than other services (excluding the >o-most-holy Emusic, of course). > >Worth a look if you are a Mac OS X person....Windows people are out of >luck for another month. its built into Itunes. It took me until that last bit to realize that this is Apple *Computers*, not Apple Records putting all of their well-out-of-print catalogue online in downloadable form. Which would be nice. S NP: Vic Conrad and the First Third ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Apple Music Service > Don't know if y'all have seen this yet, but Apple officially launched > its online MP3 music service. $0.99 a track, with what at first glance Actually, they aren't mp3s; they're AAC files. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] style guide question as a title: One Time Fee One-Time Fee One-time Fee i'm voting for the second option. but i can't find it in the Chicago Manual. - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:09:38 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style guide question At 04:07 PM 4/28/2003 -0700, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >as a title: > >One Time Fee >One-Time Fee >One-time Fee > >i'm voting for the second option. but i can't find it >in the Chicago Manual. Option #1 is out; that kind of compound noun used adjectivally requires a hyphen. I'd say Option #2 as well, on aesthetic grounds if nothing else; (I'm assuming you're using this as a title) and #3 looks at first glance as though you forgot to capitalize something, and even on second or third glance looks lopsided. My advice is worth every penny you've paid for it, Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Psalms_ 14:1 and 53:1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:43:47 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style guide question >as a title: > >One Time Fee >One-Time Fee >One-time Fee > >i'm voting for the second option. but i can't find it >in the Chicago Manual. My fiance Amy (who like Dan Sallitt likes still likes WHILE YOU WEREN'T LOOKING better than Caitlin Cary's new, IMO superior record- it's just more consistent and seductive, darn it!) who's got fifteen years an editor, says Option #2, FWIW. She also says that you might be looking in the wrong place in "Chicago" and that you should check at the end of chapter 6. Her thorough knowledge of such things doesn't counterbalance my complete ignorance, unfortunately. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style guide question thank you all. i believe i'm going to go with #2. the table at the end of ch.6 is good, but i couldn't find an entry that used a number as a modifier. i have that weird sort of messed up grammatical background that comes from going to a fucked-up-curriculum christian school for one year - the year you learn the technical parts of grammar in normal school - combined with having a librarian/teacher mother and a scientist father. i'm the one in the office that's anal about it, and the one who gets asked when there are questions. i almost always get it right based solely on instinct, but i honestly can't tell you what an adverb is. brianna, resident One-Trick Pony On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:43:47 -0500, Bill Silvers wrote: > > >as a title: > > > >One Time Fee > >One-Time Fee > >One-time Fee > > > >i'm voting for the second option. but i can't find it > >in the Chicago Manual. > - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:50:58 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style guide question Quoting me@justanotherfuckin.com: > on instinct, but i honestly can't tell you what an > adverb is. Honestly? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:56:52 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] and another one bites the dust... - ----- Forwarded message from "HMV.com" ----- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:08:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "HMV.com" Reply-To: "HMV.com" Subject: An important announcement from HMV.com HMV and Amazon.ca have teamed-up to open a new store: HMV.com. HMV.com offers HMVs selection of DVDs, CDs and Videos, along with the additional features and services of Amazon.ca. You can visit our new store at: http://www.hmv.com. Please read below for answers to your questions about our new site below. For more information please contact us at orders@hmv.ca. How do I remain an HMV customer? To continue shopping at HMV online, you will need to create a new account at the new HMV.com. If you do not have an Amazon.ca account, you will be prompted to create one while making your first purchase on HMV.com. If you already have an Amazon.ca account, you can use this account for future purchases on HMV.com. - ----- End forwarded message ----- ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:55:18 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse Update on 4/28/03 11:33 AM, Douglas Stanley at dstanley@broadcom.com wrote: > Well, > > All the Wherehouses in my neck of the woods are gone. i can report that the outlet about 20 miles from here (it's in Silverdale, Wash.), is still, um, Where it's at for CDs around here without heading across the water to Seattle. a visit there Saturday revealed no signs of the store's imminent demise, and i liberated from the used racks two Bettie Serveert discs. this evening, i tracked down this mid-January report from some online business journal: "Music and video retailer Wherehouse Entertainment Inc. on Tuesday filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, partly blaming illegal downloading of music on the Internet... "Wherehouse, which recently closed 30 stores, says it expects to close 120 poorly performing stores within the next several months, leaving it with about 250 locations..." so i guess we're better-performing in these parts. doug c vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:05:00 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] highlight of today's mailbox I arrived home from work early today - too damned nice weather, too little work - to find my copy of the new Wire CD _Send_ (plus a bonus live CD from last year's Chicago show) in my mailbox. (Okay, technically it was between the two doors, but I digress...) First impression, I was a bit disappointed that most of the tracks reprised from the two _Read & Burn_ EPs were identical or nearly so (extended, different mix of "Nice Streets Above," though). The new songs (4 of 'em) are excellent, though - and actually, the older tracks take on new character through being resequenced as part of an album. In their original context, they were part of a rapid-fire, breathless sequence of six tracks; placed in the longer-form environment of a full-length CD, they actually sound different even when that's not literally the case. Based on my first two listens, then, I'll call it a definite success - although I do still wish more reworking had been done (a la IBTABA). Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:14:49 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style guide question i'm assuming this is a joke. which has been confirmed by m-w.com. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Omnes Cogitate Nimium" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style guide question > Quoting me@justanotherfuckin.com: > > > on instinct, but i honestly can't tell you what an > > adverb is. > > Honestly? > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: Solipsism is its own reward :: > :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #123 *******************************