From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #114 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, April 20 2003 Volume 03 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Dandy Warhols (was: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111, which was really really informative) [Jenny G] [loud-fans] West Coast Public Approval Tour w/Robin Aigner [John Sharples] [loud-fans] For NY area people FW: Tin Huey gig nudge [Carolyn Dorsey <] [loud-fans] Terry Riley [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Saga! [Jack Lippold ] Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] I love the sound of drying paint [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs - Nick Cave's whereabouts [Bill Silvers <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 03:49:30 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: Dandy Warhols (was: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111, which was really really informative) John Cooper wrote: >I've never seen them live, but I'd give it a try. > I never have either, but I'd try them, as well. My best friend saw them on the Bohemia tour and had a great time, and she's not in the snoozefest camp. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:07:41 -0400 From: John Sharples Subject: [loud-fans] West Coast Public Approval Tour w/Robin Aigner My friend Robin Aigner is a terrific singer-songwriter and she's currently touring the West Coast with three other very talented performers. I highly recommend this show, especially if you're into that edgy folk thing. Here's the info...if you make it, please say hi to the lovely Robin and tell her Sharples sent you. ___ Here is the final schedule for the Public Approval Tour featuring Robin Aigner, Jenn Lindsay, Casey Holford and Phoebe Kreutz. Please tell all your West Coast friends, families, ex-lovers and parolees to come check us out in their town, USA. (for more info, you can always go to Jenn's "nights" page on her Web site www.jennlindsay.com) Thanks! Saturday 4/19/03 Rankstar Productions presents a Queer Music Festival (a benefit for Santa Cruz Pride) Veteran's Hall 846 Front Street Santa Cruz, CA Contact rankstarproductions@yahoo.com for more info. 8pm Sunday 4/20/03 HEMLOCK TAVERN 1131 Polk Street @ Post San Francisco, CA 94109 (415) 923-0923 San Francisco CA 8pm Wednesday 4/23/03 2 DOGS COFFEE 1017 Monterrey San Luis Obispo, CA http://www.2dogscoffee.com San Luis Obispo CA 8pm Thursday 4/24/03 HOUSE CONCERT 8017 West 4th St. Los Angeles, CA 90028 $5-$15 sliding scale Los Angeles CA 8-10pm Friday 4/25/03 TWIGG'S COFFEEHOUSE 4590 Park Boulevard San Diego CA 92116 (619)296-0616 www.twiggs.org $10 at the door; contact info@jennlindsay.com for advance tickets! San Diego CA 8pm Saturday 4/26/03 TWIGG'S COFFEEHOUSE 4590 Park Boulevard San Diego CA 92116 (619)296-0616 www.twiggs.org $10 at the door; contact info@jennlindsay.com for advance tickets! www.robinaigner.com www.volksinger.com "Rock stars . . . is there anything they don't know?" --Homer Simpson - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:13:59 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] For NY area people FW: Tin Huey gig nudge reminder that TIN HUEY will be at Maxwell's tonight (Saturday, April 19th) in Hoboken (11th & Washington St.). ps - if you have no idea who Tin Huey is, please go to for the full skinny...and/or read on, courtesy of Allen Bukoff: <> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:47:55 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Terry Riley A few months ago I started listening to composer Terry Riley, who doesn't seem to neatly fit into any kind of category. The effect of his music is very trance like. I first listened to "IN C" performed by Terry Riley-I think he plays and organ along with many other musicians. The composition has many people playing all kinds of instruments, just playing notes in the c range, and the textures that happen from the repetitions are beautiful and hypnotic. He leaves it up to the musicians to add to the cycles that start to happen in their own way. This describes it better than I could http://www.cortical.org/knox.html And this weekend I just got another record by him that features more of a funky psych version of IN C from the early seventies with bass lines, horns, and all kinds of percussive textures, it's just great. All these people playing in a room takes on a wall of sound quality for lack of a better description. So I did a search on this song to find more and found a recording of "IN C" by a Chinese orchestra using traditional chinese instruments that looks incredible. http://www.montevideo.com/releases/13026.htm I've discovered I have the greatest patience for listening to subtle repetitions, I could listen for hours and hours. But I do other things while I listen, I don't know if I could take it sitting in a chair at a symphony hall. ***************************************************** And if any of you haven't heard Chris Butler's The Devil Glitch I do recommend that. It's cool how Chris has moved into some more conceptual territory without losing his sense of pop fun. Maybe I'll see some of you you at his show tonight in Hoboken. ******************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs > Huh? I"ve read plenty of ho-hum reviews of the last several Nick Cave > albums. But I don't live in England, maybe. That's okay, if I recall correctly, Nick doesn't either. Though I'm open to corrections. >> Likewise Beck's last few album releases >> since the ground-breaking Odelay. I mean, do you really reach for Sea >> Change or Midnite Vultures when you need a fix of Beck? > > This isn't a very good example: the three albums are so radically > different from one another, you're obviously going to reach for a > different album depending on the musical mood you're in. That jumped out at me too. Which album do you "really" reach for when you need a fix of Miles Davis, or Talk Talk, or the Beastie Boys, or Neil Young? > I can only say what sometimes happens with me: with rare exceptions, I > won't write a wholly negative review - why publicize something that > sucks, when there are more recordings than anyone can pay attention to? > (The rare exceptions generally have to do with highly lauded releases.) Well put, although I wonder how the paradigm of "I don't get paid, so I'll just review what I feel like reviewing" differs from the paradigm of "I get paid, but I have to review whatever the powers that be put in my hands," regarding the above. We've done the secret origin of "watching paint dry," right? Andy "I recently asked two young musos who Joe Tex was. The Irish guy didn't have a clue, but the African American did--'Bang a Gong,' right? Sheesh." - --Robert Christgau, from his review of THE VERY BEST OF JOE TEX, released in 1996 on Rhino ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:14:25 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > > Huh? I"ve read plenty of ho-hum reviews of the last several Nick Cave > > albums. But I don't live in England, maybe. > > That's okay, if I recall correctly, Nick doesn't either. I meant that the article appeared in a British paper. Cave is Australian, but I don't know where he lives these days. (Nope, I don't have his phone number either.) > We've done the secret origin of "watching paint dry," right? Uh, don't think so. One of my favorite variations thereon was a review of someone's record which was described as being like "listening to paint dry" - - there being at least a modicum of interesting in actually watching paint dry. ..Jeff, who's liked Low live several times J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass lp: Sloan _Between the Bridges_ in the car ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:28:27 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Royalties and stuff (ns) - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't know how many people here would be familiar with the Black Dog, but I found the following page fairly shocking: http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/beatnik/dogfarts.htm I know Ken Downie has a rep for being a pain in the ass to work with, but if this is true it's no wonder he has such an attitude. -d.w. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE+oaNjvAODNwISwkYRAm55AJ9r1FDKdnYuuQ8wamcwojW+XrSMnACcDiss 4DCi/IDy0GcKbP1tj2tqLb4= =rkmV - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:38:49 -0500 From: Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Saga! At 09:58 AM 4/18/03 -0400, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: >What were some of your all's favorite videos when MTV first came out? Though I was rather indifferent to the song I liked the video for "Lies" by the Thompson Twins. And the video for "Dirty Creature" by Split Enz was a surreal and violent piece. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs >> We've done the secret origin of "watching paint dry," right? > > Uh, don't think so. One of my favorite variations thereon was a review of someone's record which was described as being like "listening to paint dry" - there being at least a modicum of interesting in actually watching paint dry. Escribe indicates that I've done this one before, but okay: film critic Richard Jameson wrote, last year, that he traces what *could* be the first use of the phrase to 1975's NIGHT MOVES (directed by Arthur Penn, in what may be his last worthwhile movie to date; written by Alan Sharp). Early in the film Gene Hackman's wife, Susan Clark, tells him she's going to see an Eric Rohmer film (with her lover, though she doesn't tell Gene that part). "Rohmer?" cracks Hackman. "That's like watching paint dry!" Listening to paint dry could be quite interesting, given the right "ears"... > ..Jeff, who's liked Low live several times Liked them live twice, at least. That second time, at Seattle's now-defunct MOE club, was pretty funny: Alan Sparhawk broke a string and exclaimed into the microphone, "First time ever in this band!" Wish I was there when Alan and Mimi's daughter ran onstage and "joined" the band, Andy U-Know watt? I never watched the Osbournes so there might be a whole crowd of you reading this going, whats he on this week, Cope? All I can say is yes (We love you!) the Oz is a clueless knobshiner with killdozer kids, but this Skellig Michael hermit/Viking aint complaining one bit. Ozness aint tarnished his inverted cross in this household because that programme never got watched (excepting of course those shakey gravy traumas over X-Mass!). Sorry to offer that cop-out aside, but fuck you (We love you) if you dont believe me. Besides, Symptom of the Universe is next, so the riff will drown out whatever you yell at me. - --Julian Cope, from his review of the Black Sabbath live bootleg BEHIND THE WALL OF SPOCK, at http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:33:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs Jeffrey sez: > Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : >> > Huh? I"ve read plenty of ho-hum reviews of the last several Nick Cave >> > albums. But I don't live in England, maybe. >> >> That's okay, if I recall correctly, Nick doesn't either. > >I meant that the article appeared in a British paper. Cave is Australian, >but I don't know where he lives these days. (Nope, I don't have his phone >number either.) Oddly, I have the answer even though I am hardly the biggest Cave fan alive and have owned maybe four things tops by him even pre-Great CD Theft. OK, I don't have his phone number, but on Friday he was on NPR as I was driving to work, and he was talking about how he'd lived in London for something like 18 years, and definitely was living there now. SoLondon it is. >> We've done the secret origin of "watching paint dry," right? I don't have an answer, but I would think it would predate the Andy-suggested 1970s. Got no evidence to back it, though. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:40:33 +0100 From: "RichardBlatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs - Nick Cave's whereabouts > Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > > > > Huh? I"ve read plenty of ho-hum reviews of the last several Nick Cave > > > albums. But I don't live in England, maybe. > > > > That's okay, if I recall correctly, Nick doesn't either. > > I meant that the article appeared in a British paper. Cave is Australian, > but I don't know where he lives these days. (Nope, I don't have his phone > number either.) According to the preamble to an interview he did with Word, a new music publication in the UK, he now resides in Brighton, though no phone numbers were listed. He used to live in Sao Paulo for many years, before splitting with the mother of his son around the time of the previously mentioned Boatman's Call album. Richard np Hoodoo Gurus - Mars Needs Guitars (I'd forgotten how good this lot could be before I added some more albums to my mp3 collection, and this is by far their most consistent album imo, although other albums may contain higher peaks) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > --Julian Cope, from his review of the Black Sabbath live bootleg BEHIND > THE WALL OF SPOCK, at > http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/ This CD is a soundboard recording of the full show (on August 6, 1975) from which the '75 live songs on PAST LIVES were taken. It's terrific if you like mid-70s Sabs. It is, unfortunately, a bootleg. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Wish I was there when Alan and Mimi's daughter ran onstage and "joined" > the band, I was there--Bumbershoot 2001. One of the best concerts I've ever seen. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:16:34 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs >>>We've done the secret origin of "watching paint dry," right? >> >>Uh, don't think so. One of my favorite variations thereon was a review > of someone's record which was described as being like "listening to > paint dry" - there being at least a modicum of interesting in actually > watching paint dry. > > Escribe indicates that I've done this one before, but okay: film critic > Richard Jameson wrote, last year, that he traces what *could* be the first > use of the phrase to 1975's NIGHT MOVES (directed by Arthur Penn, in what > may be his last worthwhile movie to date; written by Alan Sharp). Early > in the film Gene Hackman's wife, Susan Clark, tells him she's going to see > an Eric Rohmer film (with her lover, though she doesn't tell Gene that > part). "Rohmer?" cracks Hackman. "That's like watching paint dry!" I think I can take you one step further back. Andrew Sarris reviewed NIGHT MOVES in 1975 and reported that this bit of dialogue came from the novel the movie was based on (which, oddly, isn't credited in the IMDb), but that in the novel Harry Moseby cites Chabrol as the boredom-inducing director. Apparently the filmmakers decided that Rohmer fit the bill better. If I recall correctly, the exact wording of the line in the movie is, "I saw a Rohmer film once. It was like watching paint dry." - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:22:24 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs Michael Mitton wrote: > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > > > >> Wish I was there when Alan and Mimi's daughter ran onstage and "joined" >> the band, >> > > > I was there--Bumbershoot 2001. One of the best concerts I've ever seen. > > --Michael > > I was there, too. It was fun. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 03:42:35 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] new blur single (ns) I've been pretty terrified that the new blur album would be some unholy mixture of Gorillaz with world music. I'm happy to say that the "Out of Time" single at least sounds like blur. Not necessarily great blur, but recognizable. Mojo gives the new album a rave. Allmusic pans it to hell. I'm inclined to think that the truth will lie somewhere in between, but at least it's not going to be a complete disaster. Did everyone see that all the Felt albums are getting reissued with actual cover art? Neat. Nearly had duck tongue stir fry last night, but whimped out at the last second and got the frog and abalone congee. I didn't know that ducks *had* tongues, actually. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:19:48 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] I love the sound of drying paint Y'know, it probably is pointless - but hey, this is Loudfans - but it occurs to me that, uh, why would anyone who knows Low's music expect a live Low show to be...what, superdynamic? Including a laser-light show? Staged on ice with costumes and the London Philharmonic? If you don't like Low's music - specifically, if you think mic'ing moist house paint is likely to be more interesting - why would you see the band live? But if you like the music, it's not as if they're incapable of performing it or something. Actually, one unexpected aspect of the live shows is that the band, Alan Sparhawk in particular, prove to have senses of humor - not something at all apparent (nor should it be) in their music. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:55:01 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs - Nick Cave's whereabouts Richard Blatherwick noted: >np Hoodoo Gurus - Mars Needs Guitars (I'd forgotten how good this lot could >be before I added some more albums to my mp3 collection, and this is by far >their most consistent album imo, although other albums may contain higher >peaks) That's an interesting observation to me, since MARS is my favorite Hoodoos record but most of my pals who are fans think it's got the highs ("Bittersweet" most obviously, but also "In The Wild," "Like Wow, Wipeout" and "Show Me Some Emotion") and STONEAGE ROMEOS is the "consistent" one. Go figure. b.s. p.s. I heard a track off the new(!) Fleshtones record today and thought it kicked some "garage revival" butt. Anybody heard the whole thing? ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #114 *******************************