From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #112 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, April 19 2003 Volume 03 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Saga! [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Saga! [Carolyn Dorsey ] [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 [John ] Re: [loud-fans] John's CD, Swap Reivew [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Saga! [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 [Jenny Grover ] Re: Re: [loud-fans] hey oracle ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] John's CD, Swap Reivew [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Saga! On Thursday, April 17, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Dan Schmidt wrote: > I think MTV showed that video around once an hour in 1982 or so. > > Has anyone made a DVD or three of the most popular videos from the > 80s? There must be millions of 30somethings like me who would get a > huge kick out of watching all of those again. Once. I recently read an account of the early MTV days written by one of the VJs (I think it was Mark Goodman... not sure, though) and they mentioned that they had fewer than 24 hours worth of videos when the network started. When I was in high school, one of my friends taped two of those Saga albums for me (the Napster of the 80s...) -- enjoyable prog-lite, as I recall. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:58:43 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Saga! on 4/18/03 6:31 AM, Dave Walker at dwalker@freeke.org wrote: > > I recently read an account of the early MTV days written by one of the > VJs (I think it was Mark Goodman... not sure, though) and they > mentioned that they had fewer than 24 hours worth of videos when > the network started. What were some of your all's favorite videos when MTV first came out? Gosh it's hard to remember the early days. So many of the videos were so simple and clever. All the different genres were just played one after the other. No heavy market analysis in the early days of MTV I would think. Then after a year or so I lost interest in it. MTV still followed much of the AM top 40 format but many of the videos were English?? I thought Toni Basil's Mickey was cute, Michael Jackson's weirdness was just starting to get to me with some of the Thriller videos, Buggle's Video killed the Radio Star was funny, I liked Rock the Casbah video, that dumb Adam Ant video, Men at Work. Some were really artfully done, and I'd never really seen anything like it. I remember how they'd stick in some of the heavy metal concert videos which were pretty boring, but I would sit through them to see what little gem might show up next, the same way I had waited through top 40 songs twenty years earlier to hear a favorite. An interesting interview with the ad guy George Lois, who helped put MTV in business, the same guy who did the "I want my Maypo" ad campaign did the "I want my MTV". Another fmu archive. It's the second one down. http://wfmu.org/playlists/SE Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:06:53 +0100 From: John Subject: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 03:00:07 -0400 (EDT), loud-fans-digest wrote: > >loud-fans-digest Friday, April 18 2003 Volume 03 : >Number 111 - ---------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 01:35:23 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com >Subject: [loud-fans] John's CD, Swap Reivew > >jeff had suggested that we just list the tracks and maybe a very >short commentary with some. And that's what I'm doing: > 3 Dandy Wahols Bohemian Like >You-is the rest of the album this great? Loved this one. Not a clue. This was on a comp that my local Virgin was knocking out for #5. The Hives track was on the same comp. >4 Supergrass Grace, I wish I had liked this album, bought it after >hearing this song. Still liked the song. I'm with you on this. Best track on the LP >5 Desmond Decker and the Aces Isrealites, early reggie, and not bad. The 1st reggae track I was aware of. Also it amuses me to sing "me ears are alight" instead of the correct lyrics a la a tv TDK ad shown here a few years ago. 8 Wedding Present >This Boy Can Wait-this rocks! What album is this from This version is off the Tommy best of, but the sort of era we're talking about is the debut LP George Best , which I can't put hands on at the mo, so I can't confirm that this track is actually on it. You'll probably get on with GB if you like this track. 17 Robyn >Hitchcock Sometimes I Wish I was a Pretty Girl....so i could Omph >myself in the showER. Very cool! What album is this from. I usually >can take or leave Robyn, but this I'll take. Its from "I Often Dream Of Trains", my 1st Hitchcock LP. I can't remember who turned me onto RH, but I do remember putting this on for the 1st time, and falling around laughing. 22 Dukes Of >Stratosphere XTC I can also take or leave, but this I'll take after >hearing the spoken word thing after the song was over. This is Vanishing Girl from Psonic Psunspot. > >Thanks John for the CD, loved the artwork on the cover. >Andrea > You've made my daughters' day about the artwork :) John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:05:01 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Saga! In a message dated 4/17/03 7:23:15 PM, dfan@harmonixmusic.com writes: << Has anyone made a DVD or three of the most popular videos from the 80s? There must be millions of 30somethings like me who would get a huge kick out of watching all of those again. Once. >> There are two DVD's out called (I'm fairly sure) "I Want My DVD!," as released by Music Video Distributors. The packaging is shoddy enough to make me first think they were bootlegs, but each is a nice collection of the major-label early MTV hits circa 1981. There's a Saga LP amongst the albums on the wall of the '80s record-store set where the VH-1 Classics hosts sit, so I guess they had a bigger impact on MTV than I remember. The band's also in the midst of a major reissue campaign. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:33:19 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John's CD, Swap Reivew > 8 Wedding Present >> This Boy Can Wait-this rocks! What album is this from > > This version is off the Tommy best of, but the sort of era we're > talking about is the debut LP George Best , which I can't put hands > on at the mo, so I can't confirm that this track is actually on it. > You'll probably get on with GB if you like this track. George Best is on Emusic (but that track isn't on it), but it's unfortunately one of the worst-encoded albums I've ever downloaded from the service, which is a shame, because it's a fantastic album. I broke down and bought the actual disc. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:01:40 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John's CD, Swap Reivew 3 Dandy Wahols Bohemian Like You-is the rest of the album this great? Loved this one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the album is pretty good, but not all as poppy as "Bohemian Like You": the Dandy Warhols like to pretend that they're Spacemen 3/Ride from time to time. All three DW's albums are worth picking up, though, with the second one "The Dandy Warhols Come Down" probably being the weakest (mostly done in by topical lyrics and too much drone/too little melody). Their first, self titled, album has their one moment of pure timeless genius, "The Dandy Warhols TV Theme Song" which is along the lines of the Banana Splits theme but, dare I say it, better. Also included is a clever fake Velvet Underground track in a tricky time signature called "(Tony, This Song is Called) Lou Weed" and the "Heroin" rip-off "Genius" where the band correctly analyzes itself ("Darling, you give me a rope I'll hang myself, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out, don't have to be fucking brilliant to see, I'm not as smart as I seem to be..."). 8 Wedding Present This Boy Can Wait-this rocks! What album is this from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a ton of their stuff on eMusic. Pretty much all of their early stuff rocks and all of their albums have at least a few good songs. You can't really go too wrong with them. The track that sums them up best is probably the 3-chords-and-a-cloud-of-smoke "Kennedy" which is available in several places (though not, apparently, on eMusic). 17 Robyn Hitchcock Sometimes I Wish I was a Pretty Girl....so i could Omph myself in the showER. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried to convince myself that he's saying "loofa." - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, John wrote: > 3 Dandy Wahols Bohemian Like > >You-is the rest of the album this great? Loved this one. Yes, it is. They're also kinda fun live, although a bit droney here and there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Downing Subject: [loud-fans] Cleaners From Venus I don't know how many Martin Newell fans are on the list, but I figured there had to be a few. Jarmusic is set to re-release The Cleaners' "Going to England"--with bonus tracks and liner notes from Newell--and I was wondering if anyone was familiar with the original effort. Allmusic.com, which certainly isn't a bastion of anti-Newellism, really slagged the album (see below). Does anyone concur or dissent? Jeff AMG REVIEW: A major disappointment, even though this contains some of Newell's strongest songwriting. Many of these songs were first released on the superb Living with Victoria Grey cassette; subjected to antiseptic production in studios with bigger budgets, the impact of the songs is neutered. There are few other clearer examples of the heart of a group's vision being torn out by over-professionalism. The material's heard to much better effect on the Living with Victoria Grey tape, which will unfortunately be hard to locate (though hardly any more so than this import LP).  Richie Unterberger The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:44:01 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 In a message dated 4/18/03 11:03:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, john@bartlett132.screaming.net writes: > You've made my daughters' day about the artwork :) > Cool. And thanks for clearing things up about the CD. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:17:06 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Saga! JRT456@aol.com wrote: >There are two DVD's out called (I'm fairly sure) "I Want My DVD!," as >released by Music Video Distributors. The packaging is shoddy enough to make >me first think they were bootlegs, but each is a nice collection of the >major-label early MTV hits circa 1981. > > I looked into those at one point, but the reviews were very negative concerning the quality. People said the songs cut off intros, outros, and even more, and that the video quality itself is very poor, like someone took an old, not well done VHS and transferred it. There was not a single review I read that was favorable, so buyer beware! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:23:24 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 John wrote: > 3 Dandy Wahols Bohemian Like > > >>You-is the rest of the album this great? Loved this one. >> >> > >Not a clue. This was on a comp that my local Virgin was knocking out >for #5. > Yes! A very good album, IMO. Some slow dreamy stuff, some bouncier stuff, some funny lyrics, and some that yearn. Both Dandy's albums, "Come Down" and "Thirteen Tales from Urban Bohemia" are fun (they let their roots hang out, but if you don't mind "Bohemian" sounding a lot like "Brown Sugar" then you won't mind that), clever, and good driving/daydreaming stuff. eMusic has "Dandys Rule OK", which is live tracks not on the other albums, and a couple of singles. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:25:52 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John's CD, Swap Reivew Dana Paoli wrote: >Their first, self titled, album has their one moment of pure timeless genius, "The Dandy Warhols TV Theme Song" which is along the lines of the Banana Splits theme but, dare I say it, better. Also included is a clever fake Velvet Underground track in a tricky time signature called "(Tony, This Song is Called) Lou Weed" and the "Heroin" rip-off "Genius" where the band correctly analyzes itself ("Darling, you give me a rope I'll hang myself, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out, don't have to be fucking brilliant to see, I'm not as smart as I seem to be..."). > > Is this "Dandys Rule OK" or a studio release of these songs? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cleaners From Venus > I don't know how many Martin Newell fans are on the list, but I figured > there had to be a few. Jarmusic is set to re-release The Cleaners' > "Going to England"--with bonus tracks and liner notes from Newell--and I > was wondering if anyone was familiar with the original effort. Don't know much about Cleaners From Venus, but I wanted to reiterate that LOST IN MUSIC, a musical biography by Venus keyboardist-turned-journalist Giles Smith, is one of the finest books about rock music I've ever turned up, on my you-must-read list with HIGH FIDELITY, GLIMPSES, CHEESE CHRONICLES, and of course, PSYCHOTIC REACTIONS AND CARBURETOR DUNG, and MYSTERY TRAIN, and LIPSTICK TRACES. How odd...Giles Smith and Tommy "CHEESE CHRONICLES" Womack live on opposite sides of the Atlantic, and may not be aware of each other, but they both played in bands that had to finish tours without the band's lead singer. > Allmusic.com, which certainly isn't a bastion of anti-Newellism, really > slagged the album (see below). Does anyone concur or > dissent? Again, having never heard the music, it's worth noting that Richie Unterbeger wrote all of the Cleaners reviews up at AllMusic, and he's got certain strong opinions. You don't always see one reviewer take one act start-to-finish at AllMusic, but when you do, patterns of course reveal themselves. From the biased point of view of an AllMusic contributor, I have to say I'm not aware of a collective "AllMusic" voice, though I'm open to other people's perceptions. Newell would be well-advised, I think, to make the cassette-only releases re-available on CD, so people could make up their own mind. Making great music only available on tape seems in this era like the highway to the dusty box under the computer table. Though certainly that strategy seemed feasible in earlier times. I'll always have heart spots for MATCHBOOK by Matchbook (no relation to Matchbox 20) and WALTZING WITH THE DOGS by EDO. Regarding LOST IN MUSIC, Unterberger writes: "This is one of the few well-written autobiographies of a rock musician that went nowhere, commercially speaking"--I'm not so sure about that, and--"If Smith does not seem fully aware of the inherent contradictions in grasping for a shot at stardom in an uncompromisingly independent rock band, that's part of what makes the book stand out from innumerable other rock memoirs." In Smith's defense, should he need one, I'll point out that an era which threw the Sex Pistols and Clash up the charts and around the globe, things must have looked different. And with strange eons glenn may tell us what he thought of MIDNIGHT IN THE GARDEN OF EVEL KNIEVEL, Andy "After Frost At Midnight" "Heard only in the trances of the blast" Coleridge Moon rise, and no one wakened to notice how Savage or hard the trances can sound from here Where light picks out the deeper patches Darkened by wind as if wind were knowledge. Scraps rustle, stuck to a frozen canal where in Summer, or later, there would be fragrances Moved upward, felt by us as living, Mingled with flecks of the chimney vapor. Easy to think the cosmos grows poisonous Or worse, while we improve: individuals Marked out, despite our forlorn virtue Eagerly wishing for nothing over. - --Mary Kinzie, from slate.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:01:08 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 Quoting John : > > 17 Robyn > >Hitchcock Sometimes I Wish I was a Pretty Girl....so i could Omph > >myself in the showER. Very cool! What album is this from. I usually > >can take or leave Robyn, but this I'll take. > > Its from "I Often Dream Of Trains", my 1st Hitchcock LP. I can't > remember who turned me onto RH, but I do remember putting this on for > the 1st time, and falling around laughing. While I love that album to death, be warned (if you're looking at it to begin exploring Hitchcock's work) that it's only one aspect of his music (the mostly solo, acoustic side) and that some issues plop in five or six contemporary, non-alubm tracks in the *middle*, which for me completely ruins the flow and mood of the original release. Still, that said, it's a good record to begin with: it does quite well the usual Hitchcock balancing act of being humorous in a bizarre way and simultaneously quite emotionally affective: I think it's one of the loneliest albums ever made. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::you can't imagine how hard it is to mail-order fifty red Maglites ::when you're a duck with no numeric street address :: --glenn mcdonald np: Sahara Hotnights _C'mon Let's Pretend_ (I think I like this - reissue of earlier stuff - better than _Jennie Bomb_ from last year: someone had asked me at one point what I thought of these folks...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Saga! >> I recently read an account of the early MTV days written by one of the >> VJs (I think it was Mark Goodman... not sure, though) and they >> mentioned that they had fewer than 24 hours worth of videos when the >> network started. It's possible. Remember when they had neither enough videos nor enough commericals to fill out an hour, and had to air five-minute slices of NASA footage? > What were some of your all's favorite videos when MTV first came out? > Gosh it's hard to remember the early days. So many of the videos were > so simple and clever. All the different genres were just played one > after the other. No heavy market analysis in the early days of MTV I > would think. Then after a year or so I lost interest in it. Talking Heads, "Once In A Lifetime." Still probably my favorite video of all time. Phil Collins, "In The Air Tonight," which I first thought was called "Coming In The Air" until my brother left me a note saying he'd seen it without me and I had the title wrong. "Video Killed The Radio Star," a fine video and a fine song, though I didn't learn the song had a coda until circa 1998. Greg Kihn singing "The Break-Up Song," that from an MTV concert (they quickly figured out, I'm supposing, that filming shows and airing segments went a long way towards filling those gaps). J. Geils Band's "Love Stinks" (first video I ever saw, but that was on Nickelodeon's "America Goes Bananas," or was that "America Goes Bananaz"?), and other Geils videos such as "Come Back," "Freeze Frame," and "Centerfold." The Stones fucking everything up and not caring, all the way through "Start Me Up" and "Hang Fire." That's a short list. I was at the Pop Conference at EMP last weekend, and at breakfast, somebody said wouldn't it be great to have tapes of those early MTV days. Somebody else said, "Yeah, I've got some tapes I made from around '85." But we agreed it'd be nice to have tapes from two or three years earlier. Anybody else remember Saga's "Wind Him Up"? Andy Mike Hawash was on his way home from his job at Intel in Portland, Ore., last month when FBI agents surrounded him in the company parking lot and took him into custody. At the same moment, agents armed with assault rifles were storming through Hawash's home, terrifying his wife and three small children waiting for their father to come home. The agents took Hawash to a federal prison outside of Portland, where he has been held in solitary confinement for nearly a month. Hawash is a 38-year-old immigrant -- born on the West Bank and raised in Kuwait -- who has been a U.S. citizen for 15 years. He has not been charged with any crime, and there has not been any suggestion that he committed one. The Justice Department says Hawash is a witness, but it won't say to what. It won't say what information it wants from him, it won't say what agents were hoping to find when they searched his house, it won't say why he needs to be in custody, and it won't say how long it plans to keep him there. These aren't the only things the Bush administration won't say. It won't say why it's holding individual detainees at Guantanamo Bay; it won't disclose the factual basis for its prosecution of Zacarias Moussaoui; and it won't say how many immigrants it has detained or deported in INS proceedings. It won't say how many of us are having our telephones tapped, our e-mail messages monitored or our library checkout records examined by federal agents. The administration's defenders say such secrecy is an unavoidable cost of the war on terror, but it's an orientation that predated Sept. 11 and that extends beyond the terror threat. The White House won't reveal who Vice President Dick Cheney consulted in concocting the administration's energy policy; it won't disclose what Miguel Estrada wrote while working for the solicitor general; it won't even release documents related to the pardons that former President Bill Clinton granted during his last days in office. It won't disclose any of these things because it doesn't have to. In the war on terror -- and outside of it -- the Bush administration is finding increasing latitude to operate with secrecy as the norm, and accountability the exception. Congress has handed the administration broad new powers without requiring it to account for their use, while courts have repeatedly granted the government the right to operate outside the public view and -- at times -- without any possibility of judicial review. - --Tim Grieve, from http://salon.com/news/feature/2003/04/18/patriot_act/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] hey oracle >>Never saw that, but didja notice that Miles didn't mention BONNY & >> CLYDE, or Letterman? >>Or THE ADVENTURE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES' SMARTER BROTHER... > > What did you mean by Letterman, since you didn't mean Dave C'mon now people, I know we have some "The Electric Company" fans out there! Or should I just give the immortal shout-out "HEY YOU GUYYYYYYYYS!!!" (Miles apparently missed that show. Oh well.) (In fairness, I only learned this year, I think it was, that Gene Wilder and Joan Rivers did "Letterman" voices,) (Andy) WARREN: Why thank Pat Boone? Did his music change your life? How Pat Boone Saved My House (and, oh, yeah, my movie). By Ed Solomon We were planning to shoot Levity in April when our lead, Billy Bob Thornton, called to say he was only available in January and February. Which was fine, except for one thing: this was mid-November, and we were missing some essential elementsnamely locations, sets, and a crew. Oh, and one other minor thing: financing. So I started pre-production the old fashioned wayon credit. We did a schedule and budget which dictated that the absolute earliest we could begin shooting in Montreal was mid-January, which would have us finished by March 9th. But Billy Bob had to leave March 1st. Period. He had a family commitment he intended to honor, and I admire that greatly. I, however, forged ahead, hoping one of two things would happen: either Billy Bob's schedule would shift, or he would see how hard we were working and give us an extra week. By the beginning of January, I had phoned Billy Bob every day to see if his schedule had indeed changed. And, of course, it hadn't. And the funding, which was dependent on Billy Bob's participation, still hadn't closed. And I was in so far over my head financially that our house was now officially collateral. And I was desperate. So I called Billy Bob with my final plea: what was it, I asked, that was so important that he couldn't leave later? He was going on a trip to Namibia with his family, it was a vacation he desperately wanted to take, and going alone was not nearly the same thing. "Well" I stammered, "how about if I just get someone really really nice to fly with you instead?" "Like who?" he said, "Like Pat Boone?" "Yeah - what if I get Pat Boone to fly with you to Africa?" He paused, and then chuckled. "Okay, fine. If you get Pat Boone to fly to Namibia with me, I'll work till the 9th." "You promise?" "Sure." Now I had never met Pat Boone. Nor had Billy Bob, for that matter. And to the best of my knowledge Billy's not a particularly religious guy. Nor am I. And I'm certain that when Billy Bob suggested that Pat was the deal-breaker he never actually expected me to call him. But, as I said, I was desperate. "Pat Boone Enterprises," said the cheery voice on the phone the next day. "Can I speak with Mr. Boone, please?" "May I ask what this is regarding?" "Well, it's a kind of, uh request." "Yes?" "Well it's I should probably tell him myself." "Mr. Boone is having a root canal. He won't be available till next week. Is this an emergency?" "Well, to the rest of the world, no. But to me, well..." I gave her my Montreal phone number, assuming all was lost, then hung up and set about figuring out how to explain to my six-year-old that his college fund had been squandered on a film that almost was. At 1:45 a.m., the hotel phone jarred me awake. "So what's this crazy request I'm about to get?" There was a pause, followed by: "Hi, I'm Pat Boone." "THE Pat Boone?" "Well certainly a Pat Boone. So what's this about Billy Bob Thornton and some crazy request?" I gulped, sat up, and told him the story. The financiers, the March 1st thing, the years of putting this film together. Pat couldn't have been nicer. In fact, he was so nice, it actually seemed like someone doing an impression of Pat Boone. The upshot is, at the end of the conversation, he thought for a moment, then said: "You know, if it means something to Billy Bob, and if it will help you keep your movie together sure, I'll fly with him to Namibia." To say I was flabbergasted would be an understatement. "I do you want me to put you up there for a while? I mean, maybe there's a spa or something you can stay at" "No, I'll just turn around and fly back." After thanking him for what I'm sure was about a half hour, I hung up and called Billy Bob. "You're joking, right?" "Nope. March 9th. Pat Boone. Namibia." Now, I still don't know why Pat Boone was so important to Billy Bob; whether it was a life-long fantasy, or an off-the-cuff whim - if even that. All I know is the next day, in the huge production meeting, just as I was explaining to everyone that we were, indeed, going till the 9th, my assistant slinked into the room with a sheepish look on her face and my cell phone in her hand. "It's Pat Boone's office," she whispered. I stepped outside with horror. I knew what was about to happen: it was his secretary, probably calling me to say something like "Uh, Mr. Boone was on Demerol when he spoke to you yesterday" But she was calling to know if he was flying to Montreal on the 9th, or Montreal on the 8th, and then Africa on the 9th (he had a busy concert schedule, and they needed to slot it in). I told her they left on the 9th for Namibia, and I thanked them for what I imagine was another half hour, and I did one of those silent screams of joy that you only see in the movies. By the way, as things happen, Billy Bob's family schedule did end up changing, and he did end up being able to go with his family on their trip. So Pat didn't actually have to fly. So, in fact, I still have yet to meet Pat Boone, though I did thank him at the end of our film. And Pat, if you're out there, I promise never to do this again. Although, Kevin Spacey did call the other day. He's going on a trekking trip in Chang Mai and was curious if you were doing anything. I told him I didn't know, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. - --Ed Solomon, writer-director of LEVITY, from an interview at www.thewarrenreport.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:01:28 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John's CD, Swap Reivew >Their first, self titled, album > Is this "Dandys Rule OK" or a studio release of these songs? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dandys Rule OK. Sorry. At this point it looks like it's officially no longer self titled. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:08:37 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 eMusic has "Dandys Rule OK", which is live tracks not on the other albums, and a couple of singles. >>>>>>>>>>>> This is what I get for reading my email out of order. Ok, I'm confused. What exactly is the thing on eMusic? Dandys Rule OK was printed on the back of the CD booklet of the Dandy Warhols' first album which came out in '95 on Tim Kerr Records. When it first came out, there was some question as to what the name of the album was, but it now seems to have settled on "Dandys Rule OK" There aren't any live tracks on it, though, and it's not a singles comp. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs >> "We wanted to do a long thing based on Thomas Disch's book CAMP CONCENTRATION. We had started that in New York and even recorded songs for it there for a 2nd album. Then one day, the tapes were stolen out of our car. We still had the lyrics and some of the material and so we put it into two songs." >> >> --Neil Hagarty, ex-Royal Trux, from the promotional material to Royal Trux's HAND OF GLORY > > Great book, terrible band, what to do, what to do... I know--can someone burn it for me? Well I'd like to, but at this point I don't own HAND OF GLORY, and having not read CAMP CONCENTRATION either, I especially can't say where the stuff would be on the record. Hagarty isn't clear on that point. I'd be interesting in reading the book, even if ON WINGS OF SONG made me glad I didn't own a shotgun. For the record, THANK YOU was my Number Two Album of 1995, and ACCELERATOR was four or five from my 1997 list. I don't know their early work, though. >> His lifelong interest in Edison's life and work have led to an as yet unpublished novel, "The Edison Paradigm," about the great inventor's life after death. > > cf. Tim Powers, EXPIRATION DATE. Oh dear, to have one's idea stolen from beneath one! Actually, I'm reminded of Spider Robinson's speculations on Nikola Tesla's adventures in the afterlife. Or in a more roundabout way, Christopher Priest's novel THE PRESTIGE. Anyone else reading the new Varley? Andy "What strikes me about pop criticism of late - and this afflicts the broadsheets as well - is the tyranny of received opinion. I have yet to meet anyone, obsessive fan or otherwise, who thinks the last two Nick Cave albums come close to 1997's The Boatman's Call in terms of emotional depth and songwriting skill, but both releases were greeted with an across-the-board acclaim that bordered on instilled reverence, and an attendant lack of critical rigour. Likewise Beck's last few album releases since the ground-breaking Odelay. I mean, do you really reach for Sea Change or Midnite Vultures when you need a fix of Beck? What gives here? Maybe writers are too hidebound by the notion of providing their readers with glorified consumer guides rather informed criticism. Maybe the sheer doggedness of the reviewer's task dulls the senses, precludes reflection and encourages the quick response. Are there so many mediocre albums coming out that, were reviewers to be honest, their negativity would send readers scurrying to the news section in search of some light relief? I think, as a record buyer, I honestly would prefer that." - --Sean O'Hagan, from http://tinyurl.com/9tw9 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:28:29 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs Nice to see original content on tinyurl.com! That site's expanding all the time. > From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" > > --Sean O'Hagan, from http://tinyurl.com/9tw9 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:24:11 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A brace of sigs Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > "What strikes me about pop criticism of late - and this afflicts the > broadsheets as well - is the tyranny of received opinion. I have yet to > meet anyone, obsessive fan or otherwise, who thinks the last two Nick > Cave > albums come close to 1997's The Boatman's Call in terms of emotional > depth > and songwriting skill, but both releases were greeted with an > across-the-board acclaim that bordered on instilled reverence, and an > attendant lack of critical rigour. Huh? I"ve read plenty of ho-hum reviews of the last several Nick Cave albums. But I don't live in England, maybe. > Likewise Beck's last few album releases > since the ground-breaking Odelay. I mean, do you really reach for Sea > Change or Midnite Vultures when you need a fix of Beck? This isn't a very good example: the three albums are so radically different from one another, you're obviously going to reach for a different album depending on the musical mood you're in. > What gives here? Maybe writers are too hidebound by the notion of > providing their readers with glorified consumer guides rather informed > criticism. Maybe the sheer doggedness of the reviewer's task dulls the > senses, precludes reflection and encourages the quick response. I can only say what sometimes happens with me: with rare exceptions, I won't write a wholly negative review - why publicize something that sucks, when there are more recordings than anyone can pay attention to? (The rare exceptions generally have to do with highly lauded releases.) However, the range of "good" is pretty broad...and sometimes, the album just hasn't settled into its ultimate position when I write the review. I can read reviews I wrote years ago, listen to the album, and think, "well, I can see why I might have liked this more then, or thought I'd keep liking it as much...but now I think it's only okay." (Of course, the reverse can be true as well: albums that grow on me over time.) The real "problem," I think, is the huge number of releases, which both leads to and flows out of the fact that there's no longer a critical consensus about a stylistic center. In, say, 1974, while there were several strands of rock, there seemed to be general agreement about what was good. Punk was one of those things that threw that consensus completely out the window, both in terms of its current music and a resulting tendency to reevaluate older music (raising the standing of what were now seen as its predecessors and lowering that of whatever was seen as antithetical to it). That also makes it harder to evaluate an album...sicne the first several questions are: what the hell is it trying to do? As a listener, you can throw that question out the window and simply ask, do I like it - but I'm not sure that's a good idea as a critic. (That reference again:) > --Sean O'Hagan, from http://tinyurl.com/9tw9 Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:44:35 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V3 #111 Dana Paoli wrote: >This is what I get for reading my email out of order. Ok, I'm confused. What exactly is the thing on eMusic? Dandys Rule OK was printed on the back of the CD booklet of the Dandy Warhols' first album which came out in '95 on Tim Kerr Records. When it first came out, there was some question as to what the name of the album was, but it now seems to have settled on "Dandys Rule OK" There aren't any live tracks on it, though, and it's not a singles comp. > > I guess it's a fake live album, at least at the outset. I mean, there's an intro with people talking in the background, lots of clapping that overruns the first song, and the songs after that run one into another. I've only listened to it once all the way through so far, so I guess I was fooled (I didn't spot the set-up). The singles I mentioned are separate listings on eMusic, not part of Dandy's Rule OK. There's a 3-song Christmas single (Little Drummer Boy/Dick/It Doesn't Take a Genius) and a song called "Ride", which may or may not be the same version as on Dandy's Rule OK, since I haven't compared them yet. The tracklist for Dandy's Rule OK from eMusic is: 1- Introduction by Young Tom 2- The Dandy Warhols' T.V. Theme Song 3- Ride 4- Best Friend 5- Not Your Bottle 6- (Tony, This Song is Called) Lou Weed 7- Nothin' To Do 8- The Coffee and Tea Wrecks 9- Genius 10- Dick 11- Just Try 12- Nothing (Lifestyle of a Tortured Artist For Sale) 13- Grunge Betty 14- Prelude- It's a Fast-Driving Rave-Up With the Dandy Warhols Sixteen Minutes 15- It's a Fast-Driving Rave-Up With the Dandy Warhols Sixteen Minutes 16- Finale- It's a Fast-Driving Rave-Up With the Dandy Warhols Sixteen Minutes So, is this the same tracklist, Dana? Hope this clears up any confusion. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:52:20 +0100 From: John Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cleaners From Venus On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT), Jeff Downing wrote: >I don't know how many Martin Newell fans are on the list, but I >figured there had to be a few. Jarmusic is set to re-release The >Cleaners' "Going to England"--with bonus tracks and liner notes from >Newell-- On the subject of Newell, for those this side of the Atlantic, he's appearing at the Colchester Arts Centre on 14th June. It's apparently an all-day thing , with performances , tea and biccies and general merriment. More info here http://www.ents24.com/web/event.php3?eventid=s552575 Cheers, John ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #112 *******************************