From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #108 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse [Miles Goosens ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) [Carolyn Dorsey ] Octopus balls??? (was:RE: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (n s)) [Ov] Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse [Dan Sallitt ] [loud-fans] Now with Scott Content [Michael Mitton ] Now with Stephen Merritt content (was Re: [loud-fans] Now with Scott Content [Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) At 02:48 AM 4/14/2003 +0000, Dana Paoli wrote: >I'm not exactly sure why I care, but I noticed the other day while out >buying the "Kiki's Delivery Service" and "Spirited Away" DVDs that there's a >new Swirlies ep out. So in what alternate universe are these already released in the U.S., and apparently several days ago? Ordinary folks such as myself will be buying them tomorrow, along with CASTLE IN THE SKY. Purchase of all three new Miyazaki DVDs at your neighborhood Best Buy or Media Play (and maybe other places too, those these were the only ones in our Sunday circulars) will net you a free PRINCESS MONONOKE DVD, btw. >I'm still reserving judgement, but as of now I like the new Yo La Tengo >album much more than the (IMHO) way overrated "And Then Nothing..." and more >than the (IMHO) overrated "I Can Hear..." Since I have more than enough new-to-me music to catch up on for the next 10 days or so, I'm waiting until weekend after next to pick it up (triple Replay points at Media Play). I don't know if I'm looking forward to it -- I CAN HEAR THE HEART BEATING AS ONE is probably my favorite YLT album, whereas AND THEN NOTHING..., though intricate, intimate, and superbly done, was a little too sedate to suit me (though likely too lively to qualify as a Hamlin Midtempoitis Pinnacle(TM)), and most of the reviews have it closer to the latter than the former. >--dana, wondering if Heather Phares is technically the most influental music >critic in America Never heard of 'em. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:42:36 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) So in what alternate universe are these already released in the U.S., and apparently several days ago? Ordinary folks such as myself will be buying them tomorrow, along with CASTLE IN THE SKY. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry guys. I forget sometimes that some of y'all live in the sticks :) I didn't realize I was buying these before the release date...I just walked into Mondo Kim's on St. Marks on Friday and there they were. There was even a coupon for $4.00 off. And, even better, the takoyaki place up the block on 9th Street now has a little punch card, like coffee places have, where your 9th takoyaki is free. Whooo!!! Heather Phares: seems to write every other review on allmusic.com. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:00:01 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Wherehouse Does anyone remember the record store The Wherehouse? There's still a couple of them left here in Orange County, CA, but quickly disappearing. There are about three stores near me that are going out of business. This past weekend, all CDs were reduced to 50% off. This coming weekend is the last one that they'll be open. Who knows how much things will be going for. I saw a couple things that piqued my interest and thought I'd fish for opinions: Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted reissue w/extra disc. I always thought Pavement would be right up my alley, but, like GBV, hasn't ever clicked. Dumptruck - Lemmings (?) w/extra live disc. I had at one point both "Positively.." and "D is for Dumptruck". I liked them well enough but I fear they'd sound rather dated now. Has anyone heard their more recent stuff? Kathleen Edwards - I don't remember the title, but it too came attached to an extra disc of some sort. I've heard good things about her, but haven't actually heard her. Matthew Sweet - Altered Beast. I don't want to restart the whole MS discussion, but I loved Girlfriend and parts of 100% Fun. All of the above titles are listed at $17.99 before any discounts, except for MS which is used at $4.99. Are there any moral or ethical issues with buying new CDs at a significant discount that I should be aware of? Doesn't the artist get paid based on units sold, regardless of the sale price of the unit? Doug S. P.S. - Hasn't anyone else seen the Saturn car commercial that uses Brendan Benson's "Tiny Spark"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:03:31 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) Dana Paoli on 4/14/2003 10:42:36 AM wrote: > Sorry guys. I forget sometimes that some of y'all live in the sticks :) > I didn't realize I was buying these before the release date... Stores routinely break street dates for DVDs (even out here in the sticks). I don't think it's illegal for you to buy them when they do that, but you might want to check. :) I ordered my Miyazaki DVDs over the web (BestPrices.com). According to the delivery confirmation tracking, I should be getting them today. Often when I preorder DVDs over the web, I get them before the street date, so obviously most retailers get them in pretty early and sit on them or not. > I just walked into Mondo Kim's on St. Marks on Friday and there they were. > There was even a coupon for $4.00 off. And, even better, the takoyaki place > up the block on 9th Street now has a little punch card, like coffee places > have, where your 9th takoyaki is free. Whooo!!! What's takoyaki? (Remember: sticks.) Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Douglas Stanley wrote: > Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted reissue w/extra disc. I always thought > Pavement would be right up my alley, but, like GBV, hasn't ever clicked. Well, it's a great record, and for $9 it's worth giving yourself another chance at it. That said, the expanded version contains stuff I wouldn't stick in front of someone that was still iffy on early Pavement -- it's not filler, it's just second-rate. On the other hand, the live show on disc 2 is pretty hot and might help if you found S&E inaccessible for its stiffness. Hard to say. I thought I didn't like Joni Mitchell from sidelong exposure and Misses (which I bought because it was cheap and I had kind of liked "A Case Of You"), but when I gave Blue a shot I became a total convert. Sometimes the only way to get where a band is coming from is to hear that one record everyone loves and to hear it in your own home. But on the other hand, it's not like the crowd is always right, or that there's even some objective standard by which a record should be designated a masterpiece. I say 'buy it'. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:46:06 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse At 10:00 AM 4/14/2003 -0700, Douglas Stanley wrote: >Does anyone remember the record store The Wherehouse? There's still a couple >of them left here in Orange County, CA, but quickly disappearing. There are >about three stores near me that are going out of business. This past >weekend, all CDs were reduced to 50% off. This coming weekend is the last >one that they'll be open. Who knows how much things will be going for. In our part of the sticks -- and incidentally it's a part where you can't get new releases early, I think in large part because Nashville has so many recording industry types ready to narc on stores that dare flaunt RIAA conventions -- we had Wherehouses briefly, when they bought out the local Blockbuster Music stores. But then the Wherehouses got sold to Turtles about two years back, and this January the local Turtles(es) abruptly closed, marking the second time in twelve years that Turtles has exited the Nashville market. Anyway, no sale for us -- one day the stores were open, the next they were empty. >Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted reissue w/extra disc. I always thought >Pavement would be right up my alley, but, like GBV, hasn't ever clicked. Holy cow, there's two of us who don't like either band. >Kathleen Edwards - I don't remember the title, but it too came attached to >an extra disc of some sort. I've heard good things about her, but haven't >actually heard her. I finally got this about a month ago. What's with all the *very* Lucinda-sounding women around these days? It's like Lucinda accidentally sat on her quaaludes, which somehow tranformed into eggs, and Kathleen Edwards and Tift Merritt hatched out of 'em. I actually prefer FAILER to BRAMBLE ROSE, but Edwards ups the already-considerable ante on Lucinda Jr.-isms, precisely imitating Lucinda's phrasing and half-enunciated vowel sounds. It's also got more references to drinking and drugs than any two AC/DC albums combined, like her lyrical inspiration is transcripts of Ryan Adams' between-songs banter. I'm not sure these are complaints exactly, and Edwards' tales of despair and self-sabotage show considerable promise, but I think potential purchasers should know these things going in. >Matthew Sweet - Altered Beast. I don't want to restart the whole MS >discussion, but I loved Girlfriend and parts of 100% Fun. This is my very favorite Matthew Sweet album. Strangely, while I always say GIRLFRIEND was too long, ALTERED BEAST is about the same length but I never grow impatient with it. Incredible guitar work, and while the writing isn't as concise as it was on most of GIRLFRIEND's tunes, the songs are structured to let that incredible guitar work carry a lot of the emotional helt. I would also only buy it in Dino Green. The other colors just seem wrong to me. :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:03:28 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) At 04:42 PM 4/14/2003 +0000, Dana Paoli wrote: >Heather Phares: seems to write every other review on allmusic.com. Ah. Going by her name, I thought she might be Travelocity's mascot, which had me wondering why she'd be reviewing records. low low low, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:00:42 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse > Kathleen Edwards FAILER is the album and it's one of my very favorites of the year so far. I wrote about it for Tone and Groove (www.toneandgroove.com -- search the archives) but the review was kind of hastily written in order to get it in on time and while I talked a bit about the strength of her music, I see now that I said very little about what a great lyricist she is. Miles is right, there is at least one drink or drug reference per song, but she's a great storyteller, creating vivid characters and situations where Lucinda Williams (and don't get me wrong, I like Lucinda) is much more broad and (on ESSENCE especially) repetitive. Jer np: Super Genius, s/t Easter Cards free at Care2.com: http://www.Care2.com/send/cateaster1.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:13:14 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (ns) Dana wrote: > And, even better, the takoyaki place up the block on 9th Street now has a > little punch card, like coffee places have, where your 9th takoyaki is free. > Whooo!!! I have to tell this, speaking of free things, I am so happy right now. Found, in someone's garbage, a beautiful sewing machine in a wooden furniture stand, an early sixties model, in perfect condition that sews beautifully. This neighborhood where I moved to has the best stuff that people just throw away! There just isn't room in my house for all the good things I see. And speaking of sixties, has anyone heard the Associations anthology? I think that is next on my list of things to get. http://www.rhino.com/features/liners/78303lin.html I would like to know what takoyaki is, as well. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:32:57 -0500 From: "CJ" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse Re: Kathleen Edwards, Lucinda Williams FAILER has been going nearly non-stop at this house for a few weeks; my roommate and I can't seem to get enough of it. (And big thanks to those who kept mentioning it here.) We saw her last Wednesday night and it was all over for us. We love her. Bonus: cover of AC/DC "Moneytalks." However, I just finished listening to WORLD WITHOUT TEARS (new Lucinda) and I'm not sure that I'll be able to get through it again. I loved CAR WHEELS... and didn't buy ESSENCE - the "waiting here for more/by your door, in my car/at this bar" lyrics didn't do it for me. I'll probably give WORLD... another shot. It might just be the mood I'm in, but I *didn't like* many of the songs. Usually, when listening to a record, I can get by with just letting some songs go, but I actually wanted to skip several tracks. Not a good sign for its future in my CD player. And incidentally, the review at allmusic.com might be the longest album review I've read there. Be good, CJ "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' And I tell you: Hate your enemies and bomb the hell out of those who might think about persecuting you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven." - Jesus Matthew 5:43-45a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:34:37 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@emc.com Subject: Octopus balls??? (was:RE: [loud-fans] Swirlies, Black Keys, Yo (n s)) > From: Carolyn Dorsey [mailto:dorseycc@earthlink.net] I would like to know what takoyaki is, as well. http://www.bento.com/tr-tako.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:47:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse > > Kathleen Edwards > > FAILER is the album and it's one of my very > about what a great lyricist she is. Miles is For a good discussion of the lyrics, try: http://furia.com/twas/twas0423.html I haven't bought much new stuff so far this year, but FAILER is still coming out on top for me. Am I the only one who sees the name of this record store and registers it as "Whorehouse"? - --Michael NP Tullycraft BEAT SURF SUN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:56:26 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] failer & FAILER At 02:00 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, jer fairall wrote: >> Kathleen Edwards >but she's a great >storyteller, creating vivid characters and >situations where Lucinda Williams (and don't >get me wrong, I like Lucinda) is much more >broad and (on ESSENCE especially) repetitive. I still like ESSENCE better than most other people seemed to like it, and still don't get why Lucinda going for more abstraction and groove is such a bad thing -- the much-reviled "Sad Girls" is my favorite thing on the record. I think ESSENCE would have come out stronger if it hadn't been put in the hands of Charlie Sexton, who is far less able than Lucinda's '97-'99 guitar army of John Jackson, Kenny Vaughn, and Jim Lauderdale. I heard combinations of those latter players perform a lot of the ESSENCE material in '99, and they brought a lot more heart, character, energy, and subtlety to those songs. I mean, it's hardly a surprise that Lucinda didn't keep a band from one album/tour to the next given Lucinda's notoriously corrosive way with personal relationships, but going from those guys to Charlie Sexton was a major downgrade, and I think keeping them for ESSENCE (Lauderdale's on it, but only on backing vocals) might have made a huge difference with the people who were so disappointed by the album. I can't say anything about the new Lucinda yet, since like with YLT, I'm waiting until weekend after next to pick it up. As for FAILER, I think it's a great buy at its price point (almost every major retailer has it new for between $6.99 and $9.99), and it's got lots of promise and a handful of songs that are worth that price of admission ("Hockey Skates" is the one I like best so far) but I'm not flipped out over it either. The raves make her sound accomplished and amazing, but what I hear is someone finding her voice, rather than someone who has found it. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:55:30 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse > However, I just finished listening to WORLD WITHOUT TEARS (new Lucinda) and > I'm not sure that I'll be able to get through it again. I loved CAR > WHEELS... and didn't buy ESSENCE - the "waiting here for more/by your door, > in my car/at this bar" lyrics didn't do it for me. I'll probably give > WORLD... another shot. It might just be the mood I'm in, but I *didn't like* > many of the songs. Usually, when listening to a record, I can get by with > just letting some songs go, but I actually wanted to skip several tracks. Interesting. I'm not sure how much I like it, but it's hard for me not to be impressed by it. Certainly not as melodic as CAR WHEELS all the way through, but it's more ambitious, more arty, more varied, more raw (if you can believe that) - I think of it as her PLASTIC ONO BAND/SISTER LOVERS/TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT album, almost painful in its nakedness. It's as if she's been reading her reviews, but maybe in a good way. I didn't think she had any poetry in her quite as far-out as the title song - she's starting to reveal how her dark side is more her fetish and less a melancholy country flavoring. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Now with Scott Content I made it to Scott's show in San Francisco this past weekend, and it was pretty damn exciting. Someone (steve?) already gave a good write-up of the LA show, and much was the same here. As others have said, the 12-string acoustic version of Throwing the Election was amazing, and definitely the highlight of the show for me. He also did "Here it is Tomorrow" and "Way Too Helpful", where he even went after the high notes, most of the time successfully. Anyway, with the prospect of an album coming out on Mann's label, I've been excited for him and for what the exposure might do for him. After the show, I became excited for me, and for the music I'll get to hear. In an unusual twist, the main act ended up playing before the secondary act, The Future Bible Heros. I was pretty confused by their set, and I think I now understand some of the complaints about Merritt voiced here before. I had never heard FBH at all, or seen Merritt live in any incarnation, but I was unsure whether this was supposed to be a musical act or a comedy act. While some of their songs I agree were supposed to be amusing, many of them I would have taken to be serious. Yet the audience never seemed to stop laughing, as though the songs that I would have thought were about loss and hopelessness were actually ironic and funny. ("It's funny because I don't know them!") Nor could I tell whether the band was encouraging people to laugh at the serious stuff or not. A couple of times, they seemed confused at why the audience was laughing. Yet, Merritt's delivery *was* hard to take seriously, especially with the sun glasses. Anyway, "Papa was a Rodeo" is one of my favorite songs ever, but I think if I heard him do that live with a similar vibe running between the audience and the band, it would completely ruin the songs for me. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:33:38 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] fleet (ns) At 09:21 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, glenn mcdonald wrote: >I find Coupling pretty amusing, too. And if you're ordering DVDs from >the UK (to play in your multi-region PAL/NTSC DVD player, which of >*course* you have), why not pick up the first seasons of _The Office_ >and _People Like Us_, which are like Friends without the friends but >with a mean-spirited sense of fake-documentary humor. Haven't seen PEOPLE LIKE US, but THE OFFICE has to be the most blackhearted comedy I've seen in some time, even topping CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM and (ahem) EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND in terms of sheer evil, and adding a glaze of despair on top of that. The season finale was absolutely brutal, though the moment from the season that sticks most clearly in my mind came earlier, having to do with throwing a shoe over a pub as a test of intelligence. THE OFFICE is exactly my sort of show, but if you don't want something else vicious and depressing in your life, you probably ought to stay clear of it. I will say that unlike SEINFELD, some of the characters (Tim, Dawn, maybe even Gareth) are actually human and somewhat likable. These particular characters succumb not so much to pettiness and vindictiveness, but to a more benign and mutually reinforcing pair of killers: resignation and complacency. David Brent isn't forcing anyone to stay in that office, y'know. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:40:41 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Now with Stephen Merritt content (was Re: [loud-fans] Now with Scott Content Michael Mitton wrote: >Anyway, "Papa was a Rodeo" is one of my favorite songs ever, but I think >if I heard him do that live with a similar vibe running between the >audience and the band, it would completely ruin the songs for me. Then do check out Kelly Hogan's terrific cover of it on her terrific solo record from 2000, BENEATH THE COUNTRY UNDERDOG. that is, if you haven't already, b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] There, house. There, castle. > I haven't bought much new stuff so far this year, but FAILER is still coming out on top for me. FAILER has possibilities, indeed. My favorite records of the year so far, though, remain AIRS ABOVE YOUR STATION by Kinski, AIRS OF THE EAR by Richard Youngs, BIG BEAUTIFUL SKY by Venus Hum (two parts Sugarcubes minus Einar to one part Erasure--from Nashville no less), and CRAZY: > Am I the only one who sees the name of this record store and registers it as "Whorehouse"? Happened to me all the time when the one on Roosevelt was open. Does Dana take habu saki with his takoyaki? Andy His personal zoo has lions, cheetahs and a bear. His storehouse has $1 million in fine wines, liquor and heroin. His house has Cuban cigars, cases of champagne and downloaded pictures of prostitutes. While most Iraqis suffered under the U.N. sanctions that drove their country into poverty, Saddam Hussein's eldest son Odai lived a life of fast cars, expensive liquor and easy women, a tour through his bombed house showed Monday. The walls of a gym were plastered with photographs of women downloaded from the Internet -- "the biggest collection of naked women I'd ever seen," said Army Capt. Ed Ballanco, of Montville, N.J. "It looked like something at the Playboy Mansion." Among the photos were those of Jenna and Barbara Bush, President Bush's 21-year-old daughters, "dressed up very nice in evening clothes," Ballanco said, adding that soldiers took them "to protect the president." - --from an Associated Press aricle by Niko Price ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:50:42 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse In a message dated 4/14/2003 2:01:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, cryptosicko@care2.com writes: > FAILER is the album and it's one of my very > favorites of the year so far. I wrote about it > for Tone and Groove (www.toneandgroove.com -- > search the archives) but the review was kind of > hastily written in order to get it in on time > and while I talked a bit about the strength of > her music, I see now that I said very little > about what a great lyricist she is. Miles is > right, there is at least one drink or drug > reference per song, but she's a great > storyteller, creating vivid characters and > situations where Lucinda Williams (and don't > get me wrong, I like Lucinda) is much more > broad and (on ESSENCE especially) repetitive. > I agree with this too. Fialer is becoming a fave of mine as well. I do hear Lucinda on here, but I kind of hear Sarah harmer as well. And Neil Young, especially on One More Song The Radio Won't Like, about the music biz, so she said in an interview. As for lyrics and again Lucinda, check out Maria from Failer, Lucindia wouldn't write a song that seems to be about a lesbian relationship. Very interesting song. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:31:26 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse, FAILER, Lucinda and her clones, etc. I've just about completely lost track of all the threads, so my two cents, tersely: FAILER is a good record, but a lot more interesting for me lyrically than musically so far (and I'm certainly in the heart of what I'd perceive as her target market). It won't be in my year-end top 20, but OTOH I recommend the record. I haven't heard WORLD WITHOUT TEARS yet, though I have downloaded it. Does anybody want to buy a copy? I thought ESSENCE was just about completely awful, though I'll grant that may have been because it suffered so much in comparison with CAR WHEELS. But let's face it, it really doesn't look like she's going to match the brilliance of her self-titled record anytime soon, if ever, does it? Even CAR WHEELS had its "Joy" to bring it down a notch. It is interesting to read the discerpancy between the word of mouth of the record buying audience and the critics of the merit of the last couple of Ms. Williams projects. Aside from Miles, I don't know anyone who cares much at all for ESSENCE, and so far WWT is getting pretty mixed notices from fans. I didn't read any negative, or even lukewarm review of either record in the mainstream press. It's pretty impossible not to compare Ms. Edwards to Ms. Williams on the vocal similarities alone, though I'm not convinced they're especially similar writers. I really don't see what Tift Merritt has to do with Lucinda at all aside from gender, audience and their record label. Bill Friskics-Warren made the argument in the New York Times a week ago Sunday and I didn't buy it then, either (at: http://tinyurl.com/9ish if you're interested and registered). But YMMV. Oh, FWIW another gal with an alt.country pedigree (and little otherwise to do with Lucinda Williams) has an excellent new record coming out tomorrow. Be on the lookout for Caitlin Cary's I'M STAYING OUT, an even better record than last year's fine full-length debut and one that likely will be on some year-end list of mine somewhere. blabbed out, b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:18 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse, FAILER, Lucinda and her clones, etc. At 04:31 PM 4/14/2003 -0500, Bill Silvers wrote: >I thought ESSENCE was just about completely awful, though I'll grant that >may have been because it suffered so much in comparison with CAR WHEELS. >But let's face it, it really doesn't look like she's going to match the >brilliance of her self-titled record >anytime soon, if ever, does it? Even CAR WHEELS had its "Joy" to bring it >down a notch. "Joy" brings CAR WHEELS down? We couldn't be more opposed on that one -- "Joy" is one of the things that makes CAR WHEELS work for me. You still need the gazetteer (CAR WHEELS should have been packaged with a gazetteer of the American South), because it's as full of place names as the rest of the record, but unleashing that squalling, mean blues number (I mean, heaven help the poor bastard who's in possession of her joy) broke up for me what otherwise might have been singer-songwriter overload. This does make your dislike of ESSENCE far more explicable. >It's pretty impossible not to compare Ms. Edwards to Ms. Williams on the >vocal similarities alone, though I'm not convinced they're especially >similar writers. I really don't see what Tift Merritt has to do with >Lucinda at all aside from gender, audience and their record label. Bill >Friskics-Warren made the argument in the New York Times a week ago Sunday >and I didn't buy it then, either (at: http://tinyurl.com/9ish if you're >interested and registered). Though BF-W has lived/may still live here and writes for the SCENE on a regular basis, I've never met him or read this piece -- and I still can't read it without paying, since it apparently just passed the seven-day freebie limit. But really, you don't hear the Lucinda in Tift's voice? It's like what Lucinda's voice theoretically sounded like a few million cigarettes and bourbon shots ago, IMO -- cleaner and higher pitched, but like with Edwards, showing an very obvious Lucinda influence in phrasing and enunciation. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:21:05 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] walking in the shadow... (ns) I probably shouldn't try to pick up "rare" CDs by bands I don't know well, 'cause 9 times out of 10 I screw it up. Anyway, found a copy of the Guadalcanal Diary CD "Walking..." in pretty good shape today. If anyone wants it for my cost ($7.99 + shipping) feel free to email. - --dana np: Beachbuggy "Sport Fury" -- Mark Smith joins the Breeders. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:38:56 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] walking in the shadow... (ns) In a message dated 4/14/03 4:22:24 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << I probably shouldn't try to pick up "rare" CDs by bands I don't know well, 'cause 9 times out of 10 I screw it up. Anyway, found a copy of the Guadalcanal Diary CD "Walking..." in pretty good shape today. If anyone wants it for my cost ($7.99 + shipping) feel free to email. >> Or save your money and screw Dana over, since the Collectables label will be releasing a double-CD of "Walking In The Shadow" and "Jamboree" on May 6th. Fans of John Wesley Harding will be able to pick up a twofer of "Here Comes The Groom" and "The Name Above The Title." Dana, of course, will be able to pick those up on April 29th. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:00:08 -0400 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] walking in the shadow... (ns) I guess that's 10 out of 10. Maybe I'll learn my lesson this time. : ) - --dana On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:38:56 EDT JRT456@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 4/14/03 4:22:24 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: > > << I probably shouldn't try to pick up "rare" CDs by bands I don't > know > well, 'cause 9 times out of 10 I screw it up. Anyway, found a copy > of > the Guadalcanal Diary CD "Walking..." in pretty good shape today. > If > anyone wants it for my cost ($7.99 + shipping) feel free to email. > >> > > Or save your money and screw Dana over, since the Collectables label > will be > releasing a double-CD of "Walking In The Shadow" and "Jamboree" on > May 6th. > Fans of John Wesley Harding will be able to pick up a twofer of > "Here Comes > The Groom" and "The Name Above The Title." Dana, of course, will be > able to > pick those up on April 29th. > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:41:59 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: Polyphonic Live Webcast Tonight! 4/14/03 Begin forwarded message: > From: The Polyphonic Spree > Date: Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:48:05 PM US/Central > Subject: Polyphonic Live Webcast Tonight! 4/14/03 > > A smile will gain you ten more years of life. > > Just a quick note to let you know The Polyphonic Spree will be web > cast live tonight from the Fox Theater on the Digital club network. > (See link below) No word on an exact time, but the DCN website should > hopefully say as the day progresses. Currently it still says TBA. So > get your friends, your enemies, your life size Pink Panther Doll that > you have been sleeping with every night since you were 5 and watch the > Spree live from the comfort of your own cottage. http://www.dcn.com/contest/schedule.jsp Looks like the show will be at 1AM Eastern Time. - - Steve __________ I for one, am convinced: I am switching my laptop to Mac OS X. And best of all, you don't have to be ashamed to go to a Linux guru meeting with Mac OS X, because it's just a UNIX with a very nice GUI." - Moshe Bar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:30:53 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wherehouse, FAILER, Lucinda and her clones, etc. Quoting Miles Goosens : > At 04:31 PM 4/14/2003 -0500, Bill Silvers wrote: Even CAR WHEELS had its "Joy" to bring > it > >down a notch. > > "Joy" brings CAR WHEELS down? We couldn't be more opposed on that one -- > "Joy" is one of the things that makes CAR WHEELS work for me. You still > need the gazetteer (CAR WHEELS should have been packaged with a gazetteer > of the American South), because it's as full of place names as the rest > of the record, but unleashing that squalling, mean blues number (I mean, > heaven help the poor bastard who's in possession of her joy) broke up for > me what otherwise might have been singer-songwriter overload. This does > make your dislike of ESSENCE far more explicable. I haven't heard either of the last two Williams records - but I'm with Bill on "Joy." Our local college radio played it endlessly (which means once) and then kept playing it...I'm just not into songs that sound like endless jamming on the same chord made up on the spot...esp. when the vocal line repeats the same phrase about forty times. (No doubt, someone will come up with a counterexample of a song I positively love that meets that description...) Note that first hearing "Right in Time" on the same station caused me to drive aimless around until that track was back-announced, so it's not that I don't love the rest of the record. The couple tracks I heard from _Essence_ made it sound rather more "Joy"-like than I think I would have liked - and a friend of mine who's a major Lucinda fan concurred, saying it was her least favorite Williams album... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #108 *******************************