From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #95 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, April 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] what the? ["....signed md" ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [George Mastalir ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review ["jer fairall" ] [loud-fans] CD for sale ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] CD for sale ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] CD for sale [dmw ] RE: [loud-fans] what the? ["Micah Bedwell" ] RE: [loud-fans] what the? ["Micah Bedwell" ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] wfmstew (ns) [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] Richard Buckner's The Hill [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Bob Lloyd ] Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:30:20 +0100 From: "....signed md" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] what the? I know why I'm on this list [and I do wonder sometimes] when I read mails like this. I laughed. md. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: Omnes Cogitate Nimium Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: [loud-fans] what the? > In the last few months, my spam has taken on a decidedly odd flavor. Along > with the pseudo-Latin and faux-German people have mentioned, there's lots of > just plain gibberish, as in the following phrase subject-lining a recent > spam: "you gotta see this botswgqruuixb." Presumably, *this* botswgqruuixb > is way better than any other botswgqruuixb I've ever seen before. > > So what's up with that? > > Swlabr. > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" > :: --William Gass > [TABLE NOT SHOWN] > > Note: If you would would like to be removed from our > list, please click here. We honor all > removes immediately. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > "July, July!" -- The Decemberists > > Very nice sorta Elephant 6ish (Olivias, not Apples) piece of indie pop. > Anybody know anything about these guys? They're good, and since the album's on Hush, you can get it from eMusic if you're a subscriber. Their press kit said they really wanted to be The Waterboys, which is what they sounded like to me, but everyone else says they rip off Neutral Milk Hotel. "July, July" is the most upbeat song. > "Game Shows Touch Our Lives" -- Mountain Goats > > I had heard that the Goats' new album was a big departure, but I hadn't > expected him to both lose the tape hiss *and* suddenly decide to make the > lyrics relatively coherent. I'm not sure which MG songs you're thinking of as incoherent. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 08:16:42 -0800 From: George Mastalir Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review On 3/31/03 10:32 PM, "Stewart Mason" wrote: > "Reaching One" -- Wendy and Lisa > > Nice bit of Adult Album Alternative-style psych-pop. I'm going to go out > on a limb and guess that this was produced by Mitchell Froom and/or Tchad > Blake, and was recorded since Wendy and Lisa have been working with Neil > Finn. It's got their sound. The first of the Emusic downloads on your mix. AAA yes, but this song took on a whole new meaning when I found out it was about the death of Wendy Melvoin's brother, and not about some dickhead ex-boyfriend. > "July, July!" -- The Decemberists > > Very nice sorta Elephant 6ish (Olivias, not Apples) piece of indie pop. > Anybody know anything about these guys? Their only album, _Castaways and Cutouts_ is about to be re-released on Kill Rock Stars. I don't hear E6 as much as I hear Red House Painters and The Band. This is indeed the "rocker" of the album, but my favorite track is the leadoff cut, the simmering "Leslie Anne Levine". > > "Optimism" -- Life > > I have a single from about 1985 or so by a UK group called Life entitled > "Tell Me" that's a really swell bit of Factory Records pop. Other than the > fact that this song has a male singer along with a female one and is a > little more doomy than breezy, I'm pretty sure this is the same group. > This sure sounds like a Bemusic production, anyway. Quite like it. Same band, and as far as I can tell they only had two singles. Good luck finding more information on them. It's almost like they never existed. > > "Read It In Books (original single)" -- Echo and the Bunnymen > > Did the Big Three ever release anything? This debut single, a > McCullough/Cope co-write, has always been my favorite Bunnymen song. So much better than the album version, which drags _Crocodiles_ almost to a halt. > > "In Her Diary" -- The Go-Betweens > > A Robert song from the new album, which I haven't bothered to buy (or > download from emusic) yet. Typically excellent, mostly acoustic tune. I suggest downloading _Bright Yellow, Bright Orange_, not purchasing. Robert Forster is in great form, but the Grant McClennan songs seem forced. > > "This Is Where I Belong" -- Frank Black > > Frank Black does one of my favorite Kinks songs and manages not to fuck it > up. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm not a Frank Black fan either, but he rocks this song to the hills. > "Misery By Design" -- The Reputation > > I didn't much like Sarge, and I don't much like the Reputation, which > sounds a little too indie-rock-by-numbers for my tastes. > I know what you mean by "indie-rock-by-the-numbers", but the album rocks, then rocks some more and I love it when Ms. Elmore gets down and dirty, not unlike PJ Harvey on her first couple of albums. This album has been my commute album of choice for the last month. Anyone see them live on this last tour? > "Metal Detector" -- Gelbison > > GELB-ison? Jel-BI-son? Whatever. The verses are bass-heavy and > predominantly electronic, and they're interrepted by shards of extreme > guitar feedback. Yet the whole thing is oddly catchy and poppy. I really > like this! > Pronounced GELB-ison. This cut is from their new album _1704_, hand delivered to me by an ex-pat who saw them open for Wilco in Sydney. If you liked YHF, you would probably like this album as well. > "San Francisco" -- Serita Borgeas > > Combination of a found-sound tourist narration with a jazzy instrumental > backing that sounds quite a bit like the late local boy Vince Guaraldi -- > cute idea, quite well executed. Where's this from? The coolest found music web site going is the 365 Days Project" . Every day they seem to post something weirder and stranger than the day before. This is a track from an album called _San Francisco with Serita_ > > "Tell Me Something Good" -- The Negro Problem > > Yep, Stew and the gang doing a live rendition of the old Rufus and Chaka > Khan hit, done in the style of...I dunno, sounds like mid-'70s Michael > Nesmith to me. From _Blackboot_. Stew calls this his "country cover" because of the slide guitar. He somehow manages to strip every ounce of funk from what I consider a definitive funk song, though I'm not sure this is intentional. > > Bonus track #1 > > Some old-Hollywood instrumental fanfare with a vague science-fictiony feel. > I'm gonna guess Elmer Bernstein. Music from the Star Trek series, downloaded from Emusic. > > Bonus track #2 > > Somebody doing "Don't Know Why" who's neither Jesse Harris nor Norah Jones. > Love the violin solo. It actually is Jesse Harris! I threw this on to show the difference between a songwriter (Jesse) and a singer (Norah). I'm glad they found each other, it saved us from another year of James Taylor taking home best new album. - --Lurker George ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:30:44 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review > "Reaching One" -- Wendy and Lisa Isn't this from when they were the Girl Bros? A very minor point, I know, but it may help when looking for the album (which I highly recommend, btw). > "Misery By Design" -- The Reputation > > Anyone see them live on this last tour? Their hitting London, ONT at the beginning of May. I'm excited. Jer np: The Postal Service, GIVE UP (w/ big thanks to aaron for the reccomenation) U.S. National forest protections at risk! Send your objections by April 6: http://www.care2.com/go/z/4835 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:45:27 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] CD for sale The new April Myth album, FIST OF DEATH, is really, really good. It's got kind of a lo-fi Jpop death metal southern rock vibe that is totally unique yet so familiar. Everyone should hear this album. So I'll be happy to burn a CD-R copy of it for anyone who wants one, for only $6 a pop. It goes for $14.99 at most stores, so this is a real bargain. It was released on a major label, so I have no moral qualms about screwing them. Act now! Let me know if you want a copy. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:51:16 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD for sale On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:45:27 -0700, Roger Winston wrote: >The new April Myth album, FIST OF DEATH, is really, really good. It's got kind of a lo-fi Jpop death metal southern rock vibe that is totally unique yet so familiar. Everyone should hear this album. So I'll be happy to burn a CD-R copy of it for anyone who wants one, for only $6 a pop. It goes for $14.99 at most stores, so this is a real bargain. It was released on a major label, so I have no moral qualms about screwing them. > >Act now! Let me know if you want a copy. Could you send me 100 please? I'm thinking of selling them from my website. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:55:42 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD for sale $6? That would be like buying music. You pay me $10 and I'll take one. 4/1/2003 12:45 PM, you wrote: > for only $6 a pop. It goes for $14.99 at most stores, so this is a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:24:30 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review At 08:16 AM 4/1/2003 -0800, George Mastalir wrote: >> "San Francisco" -- Serita Borgeas >> >> Combination of a found-sound tourist narration with a jazzy instrumental >> backing that sounds quite a bit like the late local boy Vince Guaraldi -- >> cute idea, quite well executed. Where's this from? > >The coolest found music web site going is the 365 Days Project" >. Every day they seem to post >something weirder and stranger than the day before. This is a track from an >album called _San Francisco with Serita_ Are you sure that's where you got it? Because I've been downloading the tracks from this site religiously all year, but there's nothing like that in the archives. >> Bonus track #2 >> >> Somebody doing "Don't Know Why" who's neither Jesse Harris nor Norah Jones. >> Love the violin solo. > >It actually is Jesse Harris! I threw this on to show the difference between >a songwriter (Jesse) and a singer (Norah). I'm glad they found each other, >it saved us from another year of James Taylor taking home best new album. Huh. I actually own Jesse Harris' first album, and this version sounds nothing like I remember. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:33:04 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review At 09:33 AM 4/1/2003 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >> "Game Shows Touch Our Lives" -- Mountain Goats >> >> I had heard that the Goats' new album was a big departure, but I hadn't >> expected him to both lose the tape hiss *and* suddenly decide to make the >> lyrics relatively coherent. > >I'm not sure which MG songs you're thinking of as incoherent. "Incoherent" was a bad choice of words. I was thinking of the fact that this song (and apparently the album as a whole) tells a straightforward, easily understood story, as opposed to many of his earlier songs, which tend to be so steeped in mythic archetypes and historical references that it's hard to get a sense of them being "about" anything. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:37 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > "Incoherent" was a bad choice of words. I was thinking of the fact that > this song (and apparently the album as a whole) tells a straightforward, > easily understood story, as opposed to many of his earlier songs, which > tend to be so steeped in mythic archetypes and historical references > that it's hard to get a sense of them being "about" anything. That's about what I thought you meant, but I'm still confused. Tallahassee is (I'm told) entirely about the "Alpha" couple, who Darnielle's been telling stories about for years. So that's not a change, aside from him doing a whole album of them. All Hail West Texas had more of the self-contained stories by far. It's true that he used to write open-ended scenes more often, with mythic images (like "That's not the sun up in the sky, it's a human heart") but, I dunno, it sounds like metaphor to me. Maybe I'm mistaking the subtext in your comment; you made it sound like Darnielle had renounced something. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:14:19 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review At 02:02 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > >> "Incoherent" was a bad choice of words. I was thinking of the fact that >> this song (and apparently the album as a whole) tells a straightforward, >> easily understood story, as opposed to many of his earlier songs, which >> tend to be so steeped in mythic archetypes and historical references >> that it's hard to get a sense of them being "about" anything. > >That's about what I thought you meant, but I'm still confused. Tallahassee >is (I'm told) entirely about the "Alpha" couple, who Darnielle's been >telling stories about for years. So that's not a change, aside from him >doing a whole album of them. All Hail West Texas had more of the >self-contained stories by far. Ah. See, the most recent Mountain Goats album I've heard is FULL FORCE GALESBURG, which now that I think of it must be at least five years old. I got well into his early records, but then I lost touch with what he's been doing since then. (Probably because as much as I like those early Mountain Goats records, they *are* a little on the samey side, and I probably assumed that I'd heard as much as I really needed to.) I hadn't realized that I'd been away for so long, or that he'd been shifting away from his early lyrical style, since the bits and pieces I'd heard on the radio from more recent albums ("The Best Ever Death Metal Band In Denton" is a popular favorite on WMBR) sounded pretty much like the earlier stuff musically. This was the first time I'd gotten an opportunity to examine one of his songs in depth for some time. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:34 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD for sale On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > The new April Myth album, FIST OF DEATH, is really, really good. It's got kind of a lo-fi Jpop death metal southern rock vibe that is totally unique yet so familiar. Everyone should hear this album. So I'll be happy to burn a CD-R copy of it for anyone who wants one, for only $6 a pop. It goes for $14.99 at most stores, so this is a real bargain. It was released on a major label, so I have no moral qualms about screwing them. Rog, can you clear something up for me? What I really want is just their cover of Foreigner's "Fool for You Anyway." I know it's on the single/ep for "Bludgeoning the Smack Horse," and supposedly it's on the Japanese release. But someone on the DC punk message board said that it's a hidden track on the US release as well.... if it is, sign me up! - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:56:57 -0800 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] what the? Their is great articles on Paul Graham's site on spam, spamming techniques, and what is being attempted to thwart spamming. http://www.paulgraham.com/articles.html Regards, Micah - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of me@justanotherfuckin.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:38 PM To: johnslists@mcswartz.org Cc: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] what the? > Spammers are scum and sleeze, but they are not > stupid. At > least not all of them. well, they're innovative, anyhow. the newest rampant piece-of-shit spammer trick (it's been used occasionally for a while, but now it's getting popular) is to put a bogus Reply-To address, gleaned from a WHOIS engine, in the spam. guess where the bounced messages go? some innocent bystander gets their mail shut down because they have 3000 bounced pieces of spam in their account all of a sudden. then there was the idiot party promoter who i shut down for spamming. i turned them back on, giving them the benefit of the doubt, since the complaint looked like it came from a rival. then they sent the same type of spam to ME by way of my company's support e-mail address. uh-duh. brianna - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:07:04 -0800 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] what the? I'm a dofus. That should have read: "There are some..." Micah - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Micah Bedwell Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:57 PM To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: RE: [loud-fans] what the? Their is great articles on Paul Graham's site on spam, spamming techniques, and what is being attempted to thwart spamming. http://www.paulgraham.com/articles.html Regards, Micah - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of me@justanotherfuckin.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:38 PM To: johnslists@mcswartz.org Cc: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] what the? > Spammers are scum and sleeze, but they are not > stupid. At > least not all of them. well, they're innovative, anyhow. the newest rampant piece-of-shit spammer trick (it's been used occasionally for a while, but now it's getting popular) is to put a bogus Reply-To address, gleaned from a WHOIS engine, in the spam. guess where the bounced messages go? some innocent bystander gets their mail shut down because they have 3000 bounced pieces of spam in their account all of a sudden. then there was the idiot party promoter who i shut down for spamming. i turned them back on, giving them the benefit of the doubt, since the complaint looked like it came from a rival. then they sent the same type of spam to ME by way of my company's support e-mail address. uh-duh. brianna - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > I hadn't realized that I'd been away for so long, or that he'd been > shifting away from his early lyrical style, since the bits and pieces > I'd heard on the radio from more recent albums ("The Best Ever Death > Metal Band In Denton" is a popular favorite on WMBR) sounded pretty much > like the earlier stuff musically. Hm. That's what I think of as self-contained, so if "Best Ever" doesn't do it for you lyrically, we're just on different trains. But yeah, you missed a few albums. Darnielle took most of those intervening years off himself, though; in 1999 he started to fill the space series of compilations that picked up all his old tapes and vinyl singles, much of which is *less* samey than the albums that came later. It's still super lo-fi, of course, but it's much easier to listen to Bitter Melon Farm all the way through than Sweden, in my opinion. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:12:26 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review At 04:10 PM 4/1/2003 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > >> I hadn't realized that I'd been away for so long, or that he'd been >> shifting away from his early lyrical style, since the bits and pieces >> I'd heard on the radio from more recent albums ("The Best Ever Death >> Metal Band In Denton" is a popular favorite on WMBR) sounded pretty much >> like the earlier stuff musically. > >Hm. That's what I think of as self-contained, so if "Best Ever" doesn't do >it for you lyrically, we're just on different trains. Well, like I said, I've only ever heard it on the radio, and I only ever listen to the radio in the car, so I've never really picked up on the lyrics. It's hard to pay John's lyrics the attention they deserve when you're busy dodging potholes on Mem Drive, such as the one now dubbed The Stereophonic Jesus Hole, since the first time we saw ourselves barreling down on top of it, Charity and I both said "GEE-zus!" in the exact same tone at the exact same time. We're now taking bets on who will record a song called "Stereophonic Jesus Hole" first, Steve Albini or Bob Pollard. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:39:40 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] wfmstew (ns) I assume the show will be archived, as most WFMU things are these days: Stew Wednesday, April 2nd, 3pm - 6pm on Trash, Twang and Thunder with Meredith Ochs He's from L.A. but don't hold that against him. Negro Problem frontman and brilliant songwriter Stew returns to visit with Meredith en route to his big Lincoln Center gig. He'll play, they'll chat, hilarity will ensue. Also, I believe that there's a PBS special on Joni Mitchell this wednesday. I am so in love with my Starbucks espresso maker, it's not even funny. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:51:22 -0500 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Richard Buckner's The Hill Has anyone heard this? I bought it the other day on a lark without knowing anything about it. It came out in 2000. The lyrics on this are from Edgar Lee Master's Spoon River Anthology, written in 1915. It's a series of poems of about 100 that read as epitaphs from an imaginary Illinois town called Spoon River. The poems tell stories of suicides, abortion, adultery, murder, but some are happy. I did a search on Edgar Masters, it's so perfect that Richard Buckner would choose these as lyrics. I picture iron fences, gravestones, and overgrown weeds. They're all here. http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/masters/sr/index.html Some the songs on this are very evocative, and they all sort of blend into each other. The music isn't trying to sound old timey at all. There's alot of electric guitar, fuzziness, loudness. (Some of these Buckner chose for the record, I added some others.) Julia Miller We quarreled that morning, For he was sixty-five, and I was thirty, And I was nervous and heavy with the child Whose birth I dreaded. I thought over the last letter written me By that estranged young soul Whose betrayal of me I had concealed By marrying the old man. Then I took morphine and sat down to read. Across the blackness that came over my eyes I see the flickering light of these words even now: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day thou shalt Be with me in paradise." Oscar Hummel I staggered on through darkness, There was a hazy sky, a few stars Which I followed as best I could. It was nine o'clock, I was trying to get home. But somehow I was lost, Though really keeping the road. Then I reeled through a gate and into a yard, And called at the top of my voice: "Oh, Fiddler! Oh, Mr. Jones!" (I thought it was his house and he would show me the way home.) But who should step out but A. D. Blood, In his night shirt, waving a stick of wood, And roaring about the cursed saloons, And the criminals they made? "You drunken Oscar Hummel", he said, As I stood there weaving to and fro, Taking the blows from the stick in his hand Till I dropped down dead at his feet. Amanda Barker Henry got me with child, Knowing that I could not bring forth life Without losing my own. In my youth therefore I entered the portals of dust. Traveler, it is believed in the village where I lived That Henry loved me with a husband's love, But I proclaim from the dust That he slew me to gratify his hatred. Cassius Hueffer They have chiseled on my stone the words: "His life was gentle, and the elements so mixed in him That nature might stand up and say to all the world, This was a man." Those who knew me smile As they read this empty rhetoric. My epitaph should have been: "Life was not gentle to him, And the elements so mixed in him That he made warfare on life, In the which he was slain." While I lived I could not cope with slanderous tongues, Now that I am dead I must submit to an epitaph Graven by a fool! Lucinda Matlock I went to the dances at Chandlerville, And played snap-out at Winchester. One time we changed partners, Driving home in the moonlight of middle June, And then I found Davis. We were married and lived together for seventy years, Enjoying, working, raising the twelve children, Eight of whom we lost Ere I had reached the age of sixty. I spun, I wove, I kept the house, I nursed the sick, I made the garden, and for holiday Rambled over the fields where sang the larks, And by Spoon River gathering many a shell, And many a flower and medicinal weed -- Shouting to the wooded hills, singing to the green valleys. At ninety-six I had lived enough, that is all, And passed to a sweet repose. What is this I hear of sorrow and weariness, Anger, discontent and drooping hopes? Degenerate sons and daughters, Life is too strong for you -- It takes life to love Life. Harry Wilmans I was just turned twenty-one, And Henry Phipps, the Sunday-school superintendent, Made a speech in Bindle's Opera House. "The honor of the flag must be upheld," he said, "Whether it be assailed by a barbarous tribe of Tagalogs Or the greatest power in Europe." And we cheered and cheered the speech and the flag he waved As he spoke. And I went to the war in spite of my father, And followed the flag till I saw it raised By our camp in a rice field near Manila, And all of us cheered and cheered it. But there were flies and poisonous things; And there was the deadly water, And the cruel heat, And the sickening, putrid food; And the smell of the trench just back of the tents Where the soldiers went to empty themselves; And there were the whores who followed us, full of syphilis; And beastly acts between ourselves or alone, With bullying, hatred, degradation among us, And days of loathing and nights of fear To the hour of the charge through the steaming swamp, Following the flag, Till I fell with a scream, shot through the guts. Now there's a flag over me in Spoon River! A flag! A flag! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:35:50 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Richard Buckner's The Hill i just checked out the site - http://www.richardbuckner.com - it has a number of samples up, and they sound like complete songs, or nearly. good stuff. thanks for mentioning this! brianna - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Dorsey" To: "Loudfans" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Richard Buckner's The Hill > Has anyone heard this? > > I bought it the other day on a lark without knowing anything about it. > It came out in 2000. > > The lyrics on this are from Edgar Lee Master's Spoon River Anthology, > written in 1915. It's a series of poems of about 100 that read as epitaphs > from an imaginary Illinois town called Spoon River. The poems tell stories > of suicides, abortion, adultery, murder, but some are happy. I did a > search on Edgar Masters, it's so perfect that Richard Buckner would choose > these as lyrics. I picture iron fences, gravestones, and overgrown weeds. > > They're all here. > > http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/masters/sr/index.html > > Some the songs on this are very evocative, and they all sort of blend into > each other. The music isn't trying to sound old timey at all. There's alot > of electric guitar, fuzziness, loudness. > > > > > (Some of these Buckner chose for the record, I added some others.) > > > > Julia Miller > > > We quarreled that morning, > For he was sixty-five, and I was thirty, > And I was nervous and heavy with the child > Whose birth I dreaded. > I thought over the last letter written me > By that estranged young soul > Whose betrayal of me I had concealed > By marrying the old man. > Then I took morphine and sat down to read. > Across the blackness that came over my eyes > I see the flickering light of these words even now: > "And Jesus said unto him, Verily > I say unto thee, To-day thou shalt > Be with me in paradise." > > > Oscar Hummel > > I staggered on through darkness, > There was a hazy sky, a few stars > Which I followed as best I could. > It was nine o'clock, I was trying to get home. > But somehow I was lost, > Though really keeping the road. > Then I reeled through a gate and into a yard, > And called at the top of my voice: > "Oh, Fiddler! Oh, Mr. Jones!" > (I thought it was his house and he would show me the way home.) > But who should step out but A. D. Blood, > In his night shirt, waving a stick of wood, > And roaring about the cursed saloons, > And the criminals they made? > "You drunken Oscar Hummel", he said, > As I stood there weaving to and fro, > Taking the blows from the stick in his hand > Till I dropped down dead at his feet. > > > > > Amanda Barker > > > Henry got me with child, > Knowing that I could not bring forth life > Without losing my own. > In my youth therefore I entered the portals of dust. > Traveler, it is believed in the village where I lived > That Henry loved me with a husband's love, > But I proclaim from the dust > That he slew me to gratify his hatred. > > > > > Cassius Hueffer > > > They have chiseled on my stone the words: > "His life was gentle, and the elements so mixed in him > That nature might stand up and say to all the world, > This was a man." > Those who knew me smile > As they read this empty rhetoric. > > My epitaph should have been: > "Life was not gentle to him, > And the elements so mixed in him > That he made warfare on life, > In the which he was slain." > While I lived I could not cope with slanderous tongues, > Now that I am dead I must submit to an epitaph > Graven by a fool! > > > > > Lucinda Matlock > > I went to the dances at Chandlerville, > And played snap-out at Winchester. > One time we changed partners, > Driving home in the moonlight of middle June, > And then I found Davis. > We were married and lived together for seventy years, > Enjoying, working, raising the twelve children, > Eight of whom we lost > Ere I had reached the age of sixty. > I spun, I wove, I kept the house, I nursed the sick, > I made the garden, and for holiday > Rambled over the fields where sang the larks, > And by Spoon River gathering many a shell, > And many a flower and medicinal weed -- > Shouting to the wooded hills, singing to the green valleys. > At ninety-six I had lived enough, that is all, > And passed to a sweet repose. > What is this I hear of sorrow and weariness, > Anger, discontent and drooping hopes? > Degenerate sons and daughters, > Life is too strong for you -- > It takes life to love Life. > > > > > > Harry Wilmans > > > I was just turned twenty-one, > And Henry Phipps, the Sunday-school superintendent, > Made a speech in Bindle's Opera House. > "The honor of the flag must be upheld," he said, > "Whether it be assailed by a barbarous tribe of Tagalogs > Or the greatest power in Europe." > And we cheered and cheered the speech and the flag he waved > As he spoke. > And I went to the war in spite of my father, > And followed the flag till I saw it raised > By our camp in a rice field near Manila, > And all of us cheered and cheered it. > But there were flies and poisonous things; > And there was the deadly water, > And the cruel heat, > And the sickening, putrid food; > And the smell of the trench just back of the tents > Where the soldiers went to empty themselves; > And there were the whores who followed us, full of syphilis; > And beastly acts between ourselves or alone, > With bullying, hatred, degradation among us, > And days of loathing and nights of fear > To the hour of the charge through the steaming swamp, > Following the flag, > Till I fell with a scream, shot through the guts. > Now there's a flag over me in Spoon River! > A flag! A flag! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:19:35 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Richard Buckner's The Hill > Has anyone heard this? I thought it was an interesting idea, especially since I'd read THE SPOON RIVER ANTHOLOGY for school, but it's actually my least favorite of the Buckner albums I have. I think it's because I just like him so much as a lyricist that I prefer his songs to have his words. Last year's IMPASSE gets my vote for his masterpiece but I also really like DEVOTION + DOUBT (1997) and SINCE (1998). Jer np: Roxette, DON'T BORE US...GET TO THE CHORUS (finally decided I needed to have this) U.S. National forest protections at risk! Send your objections by April 6: http://www.care2.com/go/z/4835 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:36:42 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review Stewart Mason wrote: It's hard to pay John's lyrics the attention they deserve when >you're busy dodging potholes on Mem Drive, such as the one now dubbed The >Stereophonic Jesus Hole, since the first time we saw ourselves barreling >down on top of it, Charity and I both said "GEE-zus!" in the exact same >tone at the exact same time. > >We're now taking bets on who will record a song called "Stereophonic Jesus >Hole" first, Steve Albini or Bob Pollard. > > Around here we've had the Stereophonic Dude Wave and the Stereophonic Shit Tornado, both compliments of the weather channel. The first was inspired by video footage and a high surf warning in HI, though we were not there. The other was in response to their question during a tornado special, "What would you say if you saw a tornado like this heading straight toward you?" Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:52:03 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Jenny Grover wrote: > The other was in response to their question during a tornado special, > "What would you say if you saw a tornado like this heading straight > toward you?" I was discussing catapults with my friends a few weeks ago. I forget why. The point is, someone remembered that armies laying siege to a city apparently used to throw decaying horse corpses into the city to try and infect the citizens with diseases. And I just really want to know: what do you yell if you look up and a horse is falling on you? Is it the same sort of scream as if something comprehensible is happening, or what? a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:14:07 -0800 From: Bob Lloyd Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review At Tuesday 4/1/2003 07:52 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: >I was discussing catapults with my friends a few weeks ago. I forget why. >The point is, someone remembered that armies laying siege to a city >apparently used to throw decaying horse corpses into the city to try and >infect the citizens with diseases. And I just really want to know: what do >you yell if you look up and a horse is falling on you? Is it the same sort >of scream as if something comprehensible is happening, or what? I don't remember exactly, but it may have been "Run away! Run away!" when it was a cow catapulted out of a French castle in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:38:30 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review Aaron Mandel wrote: >I was discussing catapults with my friends a few weeks ago. I forget why. >The point is, someone remembered that armies laying siege to a city >apparently used to throw decaying horse corpses into the city to try and >infect the citizens with diseases. And I just really want to know: what do >you yell if you look up and a horse is falling on you? Is it the same sort >of scream as if something comprehensible is happening, or what? > >a > > Apparently the Chinese pursued the biological weapon idea by literally lobbing shit bombs into beseiged cities, containers of shit and gunpowder with fuses, which were lit and the bombs lobbed in, I believe by catapult. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:44:54 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future > I finally got around to picking of the Devendra Banhart CD, and boy is > it creepy!! To me it sounds like Mark Bolan as the leader of some sort > of wicked elf cult. Marc Bolan *wasn't* the leader of some sort of wicked elf cult? Kakawarazu koitsu ooserareru!...kono aru kaimu!...jideiku nitaisuru gorija! Andy As [Stanley] Tucci's sometime rival, Delroy Lindo stops the show as the wild-eyed visionary who created unobtainium, which turns mineral into liquid in milliseconds and thereby makes it feasible to rocket hundreds of miles through solid rock and drop nukes into the earth's core. Pinocchio-nosed DJ Qualls is a teenage hacker brought in to keep Kaus, Reynolds, and other bloggers from getting wind of the planet's imminent demise. Bruce Greenwood is the square-jawed shuttle commander, and Hilary Swank is another astrbasg6fsdwtu. Let's try that again: Hilary Swank is another astrobdhefydfqfleurrrr. I can't seem to type the last word. I can suspend my disbelief about the unobtainium, the ship shaped like a giant drill, the part about "jump-starting the planet" with a nukebut not the part about Hilary Swank as an abanabastraut. Swank might have been so touching in Boys Don't Cry (1999) because she was playing the part of an overactor instead of merely overacting. - --David Edelstein, from his review of THE CORE at http://slate.msn.com/id/2080781/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:27:00 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD swap review - --- Jenny Grover wrote: > Apparently the Chinese pursued the biological weapon > idea by literally > lobbing shit bombs into beseiged cities, containers > of shit and > gunpowder with fuses, which were lit and the bombs > lobbed in, I believe > by catapult. So I guess those would be weapons of ASS destruction?! (God I'm so sorry...) 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