From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #94 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, April 1 2003 Volume 03 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] predicting the future [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Re: Scott show [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future [Dana Paoli ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show [Cardinal007 ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] what the? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] what the? ["John Swartzentruber" ] [loud-fans] re: CD swap review [michael@zwirn.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:51:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] predicting the future I really wish someone other than _The Onion_ was this good at predicting the future: http://www.theonion.com/onion3701/bush_nightmare.html - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:13:08 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show > Hopefully someone besides me can provide a detailed > set list list (Steve?!), but I'm here to tell you that > I don't think I have ever heard Scott's voice sound > finer than it did last night. He did a version of > Throwing The Election that destroyed me. In a good > way. Here's the setlist: Inverness The Last of the Famous International Playboys (Morrissey) No One's Watching My Limo Ride Walk Away Renee (Left Banke) Last Honest Face Some Grand Visions of Motives and Irony Don't Respond, She Can Tell Cortex The Killer Regenisraen encores: We Love You, Carol and Alison Way Too Helpful Drive In Saturday (David Bowie) Throwing The Election Great show, - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:35:28 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I really wish someone other than _The Onion_ was this good at predicting > the future: http://www.theonion.com/onion3701/bush_nightmare.html And then there's http://www.theonion.com/onion3911/us_forms_own_un.html http://msnbc.com/news/892816.asp?cp1=1 Okay, the US is only trying to form its own UNMOVIC, not a whole UN (as the Onion said), but seriously -- telling UNMOVIC to get lost, then recruiting some of their inspectors? That's sacrificing a ton of goodwill for limited benefit. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:54:54 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > Hopefully someone besides me can provide a detailed > > set list list (Steve?!), but I'm here to tell you that > > I don't think I have ever heard Scott's voice sound > > finer than it did last night. He did a version of > > Throwing The Election that destroyed me. In a good > > way. > > Here's the setlist: > Inverness > The Last of the Famous International Playboys (Morrissey) > No One's Watching My Limo Ride > Walk Away Renee (Left Banke) Has he done this cover before? I don't remember seeing it on setlists - not that I'm some expert on them. Also - any word on progress of the Miller/Mann thing? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:50:45 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Walk Away Renee (Left Banke) > Has he done this cover before? I don't remember seeing it on setlists - > not that I'm some expert on them. Scott played it last week in L.A., and that's the first time I remember him doing it, and I tend to remember things like that. Apparently he got the idea to cover "Walk Away Renee" because someone requested it a while back on Ask Scott. > Also - any word on progress of the Miller/Mann thing? I don't know. Aimee was at that Highland Grounds show, so I think they're still making progress on it. Scott also mentioned something at that show about the possibility of a reissued/remastered LOLITA NATION coming out soon, a rumor further fueled by today's installment of "Ask Scott".. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:40:48 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future Let's celebrate the end of "peace" as maintained by inept and cowardly international policy, and "prosperity" as created by government books cooked on the level of Enron (inspired by Ron Brown's interest in both, most likely). Some of us prefer leadership. Still, at least quoting the Onion is a step-up in believability from quoting the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. If anybody needs to free up shelf space, the UK "Chrysalis Years" Ramones collection is a 3-CD collection in a double jewel box, with the complete contents of five great, if underheard, Ramones albums. (UK "Chrysalis Years"=our Radioactive years.) The booklet also kindly notes that no extra tracks were available for future reissues of those same albums...which is certainly believable, given band relations during those years. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:50:39 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future >Some of us prefer leadership. Leadership????? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:25:45 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future I saw this and thought it was terribly fitting! http://laugh.or.die.net/terror/gulf_wars_poster.jpg Phil F. NP: Heart on VH1 Classic Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:25:10 GMT From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future If anybody needs to free up shelf space, the UK "Chrysalis Years" Ramones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if anyone wants to start filling up that freed up shelf space, may I suggest the latest in a seemingly endless line of Spacemen 3 product, "Forged Prescriptions" which gathers together on two CDs a bunch of alternate versions, demos, etc. from the "Perfect Prescription" era. Amazingly enough, these leftover leftovers are pretty great and worth having. I finally got around to picking of the Devendra Banhart CD, and boy is it creepy!! To me it sounds like Mark Bolan as the leader of some sort of wicked elf cult. I like it, but I wouldn't listen to it in an empty house. The guy at the record store recommended the recent Japanese reissue of the Comus album if I craved more creepiness. Not sure that I do, but I wonder if anyone here has strong feelings about it. And, I *finally* found a used copy of the new Thou album "Elvis or Betty Boop" which is good, though not as good as "Put Us In Tune." Unfortunately, I don't think that there's any way to buy this new unless you live in Belgium, but one never knows. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:29:48 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future At 07:25 PM 3/31/03 +0000, Dana Paoli wrote: >I finally got around to picking of the Devendra Banhart CD, and boy is it >creepy!! To me it sounds like Mark Bolan as the leader of some sort of >wicked elf cult. I like it, but I wouldn't listen to it in an empty >house. The guy at the record store recommended the recent Japanese >reissue of the Comus album if I craved more creepiness. Not sure that I >do, but I wonder if anyone here has strong feelings about it. I strongly recommend Comus' album FIRST UTTERANCE. Creepy, indeed, but really really good. Avoid their later stuff, though. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Job_, chapter 40, verse 4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:29:54 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future >The guy at the record store recommended the recent Japanese reissue of the >Comus album if I craved more creepiness. Not sure that I do, but I wonder >if anyone here has strong feelings about it. > Um...I do, I think. I bought this album about six or seven years ago and thought it was certainly creepy beyoned belief, but also kind of pretentious and boring (the songs are LONG.) I've been meaning to give it another chance, though, since a lot of people whose taste I repsect have raved about it. It certainly does a great job of creating a mood. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:40:48 -0800 From: Bob Lloyd Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show Here are some brief impressions of the show on Saturday: Rock Soup was an intimate and easygoing place to have dinner and listen to music, with the dinner tables five feet from the microphone, and people sitting (and eating dinner) around the back of the piano. The crowd was just about the right size, with a little overflow by the door and out onto the sidewalk. Fair number of tiny kids (and their equipment), including Scott's six-month-old baby girl, Valerie. Scott introduced his set with something like, "I'm one of the Scott Millers. Thanks for coming out to kids-get-in-for-half-price night." Only downside may have been that it was probably a fire hazard (though no pyrotechnics) and it could be a little hard to hear the musicians at times. John Moremen led off, followed by Alison, then Scott. It was nice to hear the familiar songs in the pared-down arrangements and with the emphasis on the vocals--bodes well for the Miller/Mann project. For me, things really got going with "Last Honest Face," which came across beautifully, even with just the acoustic guitar. Then Alison joined Scott, playing piano and singing backing parts, and things got even better. It was, in a sense, a Loud Family show, in that Gil and Kenny were in the audience, as was Joe Becker (that I recognized, at least--Dawn Richardson may have been waiting on tables back toward the kitchen ;-). A highlight of "Don't Respond" came as the marble drop approached in the middle of the song. Joe Becker could be seen preparing just the right coins and gauging the proper height from which to drop them into the glass tip jar on the piano, but at the crucial moment Steve Holtebeck made it even more dramatic by dropping his dinner knife on the piano, to universal appreciation. Scott quipped after the song that these were "trained professionals," and that kids should not run out and try dropping knives on their pianos at home. I'm sure others would have different highlights, but the one that really got me was Scott and Alison's duet on "Cortex the Killer," which was just lovely and made me appreciate the song even more than I had from the album. (And having Neil Young guesting on the long guitar breaks was a real treat as well. ;-) As you can see from the encore set, Scott's performance was much appreciated. He obliged Sue by doing "Way Too Helpful," even though he had to twist his face beyond recognition and stretch all the way to tiptoe to reach some of the notes (as on "ailerons"). It was a treat to hear "Drive In Saturday," and it nicely complemented Alison's excellent version of "Oh! You Pretty Things" earlier. As Gil said, finishing with "Throwing the Election" was perfect, with everyone, at least in their heads, joining in on the "doo doo doos" at the end. (Not to mention Gil rushing up to play the guitar strings with his knife and fork while Scott fingered the chords!) By the way, I think we have to read "Walk Away Renee" as Scott's (perhaps gauche) tribute to Rene Girard, don't you? ;-) As Steve said, great show. Good to know moms and dads can still get out and do this kind of thing occasionally. Bob At Monday 3/31/2003 08:13 AM, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > Hopefully someone besides me can provide a detailed > > set list list (Steve?!), but I'm here to tell you that > > I don't think I have ever heard Scott's voice sound > > finer than it did last night. He did a version of > > Throwing The Election that destroyed me. In a good > > way. > >Here's the setlist: >Inverness >The Last of the Famous International Playboys (Morrissey) >No One's Watching My Limo Ride >Walk Away Renee (Left Banke) >Last Honest Face >Some Grand Visions of Motives and Irony >Don't Respond, She Can Tell >Cortex The Killer >Regenisraen > >encores: >We Love You, Carol and Alison >Way Too Helpful >Drive In Saturday (David Bowie) >Throwing The Election > >Great show, >-Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:57:12 -0500 From: Cardinal007 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Lloyd Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:40 pm Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show > Here are some brief impressions of the show on Saturday: > > > John Moremen led off, followed by Alison, then Scott. Does anyone know if "John Moremon" originally hails from Washington, D.C., with a history playing with the Dispensers [earliest 80s] and with Hyaa! [later 80s, with Alice Despard]? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:12:31 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Scott show At 02:57 PM 3/31/2003 -0500, Cardinal007 wrote: >> John Moremen led off, followed by Alison, then Scott. > > >Does anyone know if "John Moremon" originally hails from Washington, >D.C., with a history playing with the Dispensers [earliest 80s] and >with Hyaa! [later 80s, with Alice Despard]? Same guy. John Moremen has lived in the Bay Area for at least the last decade or so, and has played with Alison Faith Levy and the Orange Peels alongside an on-again off-again solo career. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:01:53 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] what the? In the last few months, my spam has taken on a decidedly odd flavor. Along with the pseudo-Latin and faux-German people have mentioned, there's lots of just plain gibberish, as in the following phrase subject-lining a recent spam: "you gotta see this botswgqruuixb." Presumably, *this* botswgqruuixb is way better than any other botswgqruuixb I've ever seen before. So what's up with that? Swlabr. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass [TABLE NOT SHOWN] Note: If you would would like to be removed from our list, please click here. We honor all removes immediately. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:22:36 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] what the? On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:01:53 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >spam: "you gotta see this botswgqruuixb." Presumably, *this* botswgqruuixb >is way better than any other botswgqruuixb I've ever seen before. Is it a coincidence that jenor@uwm.edu has the same number of characters as botswgqruuixb? I think not. It is so that if you report spam or reply, or whatever, even if your email address is stripped out, they can determine who the message was sent to. Spammers are scum and sleeze, but they are not stupid. At least not all of them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] what the? > Spammers are scum and sleeze, but they are not > stupid. At > least not all of them. well, they're innovative, anyhow. the newest rampant piece-of-shit spammer trick (it's been used occasionally for a while, but now it's getting popular) is to put a bogus Reply-To address, gleaned from a WHOIS engine, in the spam. guess where the bounced messages go? some innocent bystander gets their mail shut down because they have 3000 bounced pieces of spam in their account all of a sudden. then there was the idiot party promoter who i shut down for spamming. i turned them back on, giving them the benefit of the doubt, since the complaint looked like it came from a rival. then they sent the same type of spam to ME by way of my company's support e-mail address. uh-duh. brianna - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:37:21 -0400 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] predicting the future At 11:25 AM 03-03-31 -0800, Phil Fleming wrote: >I saw this and thought it was terribly fitting! > >http://laugh.or.die.net/terror/gulf_wars_poster.jpg > That is brilliant! I gotta print one of those out for my wall. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 01:32:50 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] CD swap review Hey, I got a disc! Cool! And therefore, my brief notes on what George Mastalir was kind enough to send to me: "Night Owl" -- Dan Zanes and Aimee Mann I always hated the Del Fuegos, personally. This sounds like it must be from one of Dan's recent albums of children's music, and it's a nice little song. It reminds me a little of Van Dyke Parks, actually. However, Aimee Mann's vocals sound really out of place: she really only has one vocal style, that kinda doomy'n'depressive thing she does so well, and as much as I like it, it doesn't really work for a kiddie song. Dan's vocals are all playful and light, and Aimee's vocals would probably make a particularly sensitive child start crying for its mommy. "Reaching One" -- Wendy and Lisa Nice bit of Adult Album Alternative-style psych-pop. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this was produced by Mitchell Froom and/or Tchad Blake, and was recorded since Wendy and Lisa have been working with Neil Finn. It's got their sound. "Somebody Else's Parking Lot in Sebastopol" -- The Extra Glenns There's a Mountain Goats song later on the disc, but if it wasn't for the non-lo-fi production, I would say on a blind listen that this was the Mountain Goats. The singer sounds just like the Mountain Goats guy, and has a similarly propulsive acoustic guitar style and taste for minimal arrangements -- even the song title sounds like it could be a Mountain Goats song, although he'd probably call it "Going To Sebastopol." Annnnnd...a look at AMG reveals that -- surprise! -- it *is* the Mountain Goats guy, working with Franklin Bruno. Go figure! "July, July!" -- The Decemberists Very nice sorta Elephant 6ish (Olivias, not Apples) piece of indie pop. Anybody know anything about these guys? "Way Out" -- The Way Outs A bit from one of my favorite episodes of The Flintstones, followed by a few seconds of what sounds like some Hanna-Barbera incidental music. Cool! "Optimism" -- Life I have a single from about 1985 or so by a UK group called Life entitled "Tell Me" that's a really swell bit of Factory Records pop. Other than the fact that this song has a male singer along with a female one and is a little more doomy than breezy, I'm pretty sure this is the same group. This sure sounds like a Bemusic production, anyway. Quite like it. "Read It In Books (original single)" -- Echo and the Bunnymen Did the Big Three ever release anything? This debut single, a McCullough/Cope co-write, has always been my favorite Bunnymen song. "In Her Diary" -- The Go-Betweens A Robert song from the new album, which I haven't bothered to buy (or download from emusic) yet. Typically excellent, mostly acoustic tune. "Bob Dylan's 49th Beard" -- Wilco Great title, kind of an unfinished throwaway of a song, but pleasant. The wibbly bits at the start and finish suggest it's an outtake from the YHF sessions. "This Is Where I Belong" -- Frank Black Frank Black does one of my favorite Kinks songs and manages not to fuck it up. I'm pleasantly surprised. "No Telling" -- Linda Thompson One of my favorite songs from last year's FASHIONABLY LATE, one of the most pleasant surprises of last year. Surprising enough that it came out at all, but it's also surprising that it's a uniformly strong collection. Her voice is a bit rough on some notes, but it's not like Marianne Faithfull-shot, which some purists have suggested it is. "Misery By Design" -- The Reputation I didn't much like Sarge, and I don't much like the Reputation, which sounds a little too indie-rock-by-numbers for my tastes. "Metal Detector" -- Gelbison GELB-ison? Jel-BI-son? Whatever. The verses are bass-heavy and predominantly electronic, and they're interrepted by shards of extreme guitar feedback. Yet the whole thing is oddly catchy and poppy. I really like this! "San Francisco" -- Serita Borgeas Combination of a found-sound tourist narration with a jazzy instrumental backing that sounds quite a bit like the late local boy Vince Guaraldi -- cute idea, quite well executed. Where's this from? "Game Shows Touch Our Lives" -- Mountain Goats I had heard that the Goats' new album was a big departure, but I hadn't expected him to both lose the tape hiss *and* suddenly decide to make the lyrics relatively coherent. Otherwise, sounds like the Mountain Goats, which I think is a good thing. "Drinker's Peace" --Guided By Voices Excellent thematic and musical link to the song before -- both songs are from concept albums about alcoholism. I had forgotten just how *lousy* Guided By Voices sounded in their early days, in the lo-fi sense. "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight" -- Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart One of my favorite songs when I was a kid, courtesy of my older sisters' singles collection. "Little Sunshine" -- Al Jolson George mentioned that he sings this to his kids as a lullaby. Seems appropriate to me. "When I First Met Your Ma" -- Paul Kelly I went through a huge Paul Kelly phase around the time of GOSSIP and UNDER THE SUN, but when SO MUCH WATER SO CLOSE TO HOME was such a disappointment, I've been skeptical of all his albums since. He seems to me like the Graham Parker of Australia now -- perfectly acceptable, often really good, but I get the feeling his heart's not so much into it now. "Since Yesterday" -- Strawberry Switchblade Geez, I bet I haven't heard this song in 17 years. Didn't these women use to dress in matching dresses and hair ribbons or something? This song is less annoying than I remember, and actually kind of charming. Anyway, see you in 2020. "Sublimation Hour" -- Destroyer I'm getting a very strong Queen-meets-Bowie vibe off this song, in the same way that the New Pornographers remind me of 70s rock. And once again, AMG shows me that I'm right on target: Destroyer is the guy from the New Pornographers who isn't either Neko Case or the guy from Zumpano. Huh! "Bad News" -- Eels Very simple, haunting Eels tune. Sounds like an outtake from the ELECTRO-SHOCK BLUES sessions. "Tell Me Something Good" -- The Negro Problem Yep, Stew and the gang doing a live rendition of the old Rufus and Chaka Khan hit, done in the style of...I dunno, sounds like mid-'70s Michael Nesmith to me. Bonus track #1 Some old-Hollywood instrumental fanfare with a vague science-fictiony feel. I'm gonna guess Elmer Bernstein. Bonus track #2 Somebody doing "Don't Know Why" who's neither Jesse Harris nor Norah Jones. Love the violin solo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: [loud-fans] re: CD swap review On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 10:32 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > "July, July!" -- The Decemberists > Very nice sorta Elephant 6ish (Olivias, not Apples) piece of indie pop. > Anybody know anything about these guys? Good, Portland-based band. Increasingly popular local band. I have seen them opening for someone, I can't recall whom. >"No Telling" -- Linda Thompson > One of my favorite songs from last year's FASHIONABLY LATE, one of the most pleasant > surprises of last year. Surprising enough that it came out at > all, but it's also surprising that it's a uniformly strong collection. Her > voice is a bit rough on some notes, but it's not like Marianne > Faithfull-shot, which some purists have suggested it is. Someone else is getting this one on a mix CD right about now .... > "When I First Met Your Ma" -- Paul Kelly I went through a huge Paul Kelly phase around the time of GOSSIP and UNDER THE SUN, but when SO MUCH WATER SO CLOSE TO HOME was such a disappointment, I've been skeptical of all his albums since. He seems to me like the Graham Parker of Australia now -- perfectly acceptable, often really good, but I get the feeling his heart's not so much into it now. And she's also getting Paul Kelly .... "Everything's Turning to White," to be precise. Michael J. Zwirn http://www.zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #94 ******************************