From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #90 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, March 28 2003 Volume 03 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Goin' to California [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Goin' to California ["Pete O." ] [loud-fans] cd blanks? [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? [John F Butland ] [loud-fans] Sunset Blvd. again (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? ["me" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:30:14 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Goin' to California The bad news is that as of Saturday, I'll be leaving Julianne and Michael Z. as the only loud-fans in Portland. The good news is that as of Sunday, I'll be joining the loud-fans in the Bay Area. The really bad news is that Scott plays in the Bay Area on Saturday, and I think I'll be spending that night in Weed, CA. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:40:29 -0800 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Goin' to California > The bad news is that as of Saturday, I'll be leaving Julianne and Michael > Z. as the only loud-fans in Portland. However - I will note that Oregon remains remarkably pleasant in spite of the high unemployment, rising petty crime rates, state budget crisis, downtown-snarling anti-war protesters, and cultural civil war between liberal Willamette Valley residents and conservative rest-of-Staters. Portland's been named the best biking city in North America and most un-wired city in the nation for wireless internet access! We have a decent live band scene! We like good microbrews and strong black coffee! We have streetcars, light rail and bike lanes, and the traffic's not bad even if you have to drive. In other words, please move here and entertain us! I promise that I won't beg again. n.p. Emily Bezar - ------ Michael Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com http://zwirn.com (t) 503-232-8919 (c) 503-887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Goin' to California - --- Michael Mitton wrote: > and I think I'll be spending that night in Weed, CA. > Dude, I've done that so many times I've lost count. Pass the Cheetos. - - Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] cd blanks? so, thinking that the label 'For Music' was purely marketing, and having been told that a number of times, i bought some TDK disks (don't have the package handy, but they were in a red half box, 10 for about $7, in slim cases). i made my mix cd, popped it in for a quick track check, made myself a copy, and sent off Jeff's mix cd. today, i brought my copy in to work and i'm sitting here listening to a 70-minute string of pop-tick-POP-tick-tick-pop. if it were regualrly timed, it'd sound like a record player. that might be charming. this, however, is random, and highly annoying. SO. what kind of media do you know-it-alls recommend? brianna - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.scenario.com/people/hello/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:39:19 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? Quoting me@justanotherfuckin.com: > so, thinking that the label 'For Music' was purely > marketing, and having been told that a number of times, > i bought some TDK disks (don't have the package handy, > but they were in a red half box, 10 for about $7, in > slim cases). i made my mix cd, popped it in for a > quick track check, made myself a copy, and sent off > Jeff's mix cd. > > today, i brought my copy in to work and i'm sitting > here listening to a 70-minute string of > pop-tick-POP-tick-tick-pop. if it were regualrly > timed, it'd sound like a record player. that might be > charming. this, however, is random, and highly > annoying. Hmm...my copy hasn't arrived yet, but when it does, and it sounds like this, I'll just pretend your mix is entirely _Music for Xerox Machines_ or whatever that title was... As to your problem: what are you using to burn the CDs? Because "for music" CDs certainly ought to work to record music...either on a computer or a free-standing, home-stereo -based unit. I have a spindle of "Music CD-R"s in front of me that work just fine. (The non-music ones are marginally cheaper - - except when they're not.) Sounds more like a glitch in your burning program - or perhaps your copy is messed up, and mine isn't. I'll let you know after it arrives. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Britta Phillips & Dean Wareham _L'Avventura_ advance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:51:02 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > free-standing, home-stereo -based unit. I have a spindle of "Music CD-R"s in > front of me that work just fine. (The non-music ones are marginally cheaper > - except when they're not.) It was my understanding that the only difference between the music ones and the data ones was that with the music ones, some money gets kicked back to the RIAA. I don't know where I got that understanding. I've never noticed any difference between the two types. I think the problem Brianna cites is more likely to be the CD burner than the disc itself. Or, the CD when it's reading the CD. I know that when you get the occasional pop, it's usually from ripping the CD. If your software for ripping the CD has a "Secure" mode, you can get rid of nearly all the occasional pops. (If it doesn't have a secure mode, check out "Exact Audio Copy" or "Media Jukebox") - --Michael np Supergrass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:07:15 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? np: Britta Phillips & Dean Wareham _L'Avventura_ advance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How dare you get that before me!! Is it any good? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:11:25 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? >so, thinking that the label 'For Music' was purely >marketing, and having been told that a number of times, >i bought some TDK disks (don't have the package handy, >but they were in a red half box, 10 for about $7, in >slim cases). i made my mix cd, popped it in for a >quick track check, made myself a copy, and sent off >Jeff's mix cd. > >today, i brought my copy in to work and i'm sitting >here listening to a 70-minute string of >pop-tick-POP-tick-tick-pop. if it were regualrly >timed, it'd sound like a record player. that might be >charming. this, however, is random, and highly >annoying. > >SO. what kind of media do you know-it-alls recommend? > >brianna The "For Music" label does matter- it's required for use in stand-alone CD burners. See: http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq01.html#S1-13 If you're using a computer to burn CD-R's with, the media brand shouldn't make any difference (for the short run, at least- there are lots and lots of opinions about what the discs with the best longevity are- see http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7-4-1). You can find as many different answers as to what brands are "bad" as people who've had problems with that brand in their individual CD burner. How your piece of hardware does with an individual brand is more important than the brand in general. That said, I had nothing but trouble with the cheap-o "Spin-X" brand blanks I got stupid cheap at Office Max, but I've done OK with just about every other brand under the sun. I do put more "important" stuff on what I think are better media, like Kodak Gold or Mitsui, and I steer toward Imation for bulk buys, but somebody else might just think those brands are crap. Better luck on your next burn. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:14:10 -0400 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? At 04:06 PM 03-03-27 -0800, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >so, thinking that the label 'For Music' was purely >marketing, and having been told that a number of times, >i bought some TDK disks (don't have the package handy, >but they were in a red half box, 10 for about $7, in >slim cases). i made my mix cd, popped it in for a >quick track check, made myself a copy, and sent off >Jeff's mix cd. > >today, i brought my copy in to work and i'm sitting >here listening to a 70-minute string of >pop-tick-POP-tick-tick-pop. if it were regualrly >timed, it'd sound like a record player. that might be >charming. this, however, is random, and highly >annoying. > My understanding is that if you're burning on a PC or Mac, in other words not a standalone burner, then you don't need "music" CDs. I use TDKs that I buy at Costco for $70 (Can) for a spindle of 100 and rarely have problems. I'll also take this opportunity to plug Exact Audio Copy as burning software. (Dunno if there's a Mac version or if you need a Mac version.) It's freeware and is great. It rips great and burns great - those that know more than I do swear by it, especially if you rip in accuracy mode. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:13:42 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Sunset Blvd. again (ns) I seem to keep buying copies of Kim Fowley's masterpiece. This time it was part of a three record set, and I wanted the other two. If anyone would like a copy of one of the greatest albums of the '70's, feel free to email me off list. I'm not kidding about the "greatest" thing. Also, Juno seems to have been eating my messages since yesterday. As far as I can tell, the one about the Sugarplastic 7x7x7 thing didn't make it through. 1000 apologies if it did/does. Anyone interested in the band would do well to go to pitchforkmedia.com and follow the links for the news item from a few days ago. I'd subscribe in a second if they'd promise to never release it on CD, but having been burned by Safe Home, I'm going to have to think about it and by that time, it'll probably be too late. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:33:46 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? > today, i brought my copy in to work and i'm sitting > here listening to a 70-minute string of > pop-tick-POP-tick-tick-pop. if it were regualrly > timed, it'd sound like a record player. that might be > charming. this, however, is random, and highly > annoying. not only could this be the result of a dodgy read from the source cd, this sometimes happens if the computer is too busy when burning (most especially if the ripped files are highly fragmented, or something else is making the computer's hard disk work hard.) for best results, defragment and save the disc as a CD image file and burn from that. a given piece of CDR media in my experience ususally works or makes a coaster -- pops in a disc that has a valid table of contents sounds like either faulty data read, or a lot of error bits on the write, and not so much like a problem with the media. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:39:58 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? At 04:06 PM 3/27/2003 -0800, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >SO. what kind of media do you know-it-alls recommend? I agree that that was probably a bad burn and not the media's fault, but personally, I have had very few problems with Memorex 80-minute blanks, and they're cheap: I just tonight bought a spindle of 50 for $17.79 at Target. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:08:29 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? well, in the department of more information: TDK Data CD-R For Computer Burning 80 minute, 700MB up to 48x compatible for computer burning, huh? now that gives me an idea.... thanks for all the advice - i've used the memorex ones, too, with good luck. i'll have to get to target. brianna - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Mason" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd blanks? > At 04:06 PM 3/27/2003 -0800, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: > >SO. what kind of media do you know-it-alls recommend? > > I agree that that was probably a bad burn and not the media's fault, but > personally, I have had very few problems with Memorex 80-minute blanks, and > they're cheap: I just tonight bought a spindle of 50 for $17.79 at Target. > > S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #90 ******************************