From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #80 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, March 19 2003 Volume 03 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] wahoo ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] wahoo [Chris Murtland ] Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread [Tiger Reel ] Re: [loud-fans] Carolyn Dorsey's swap CD ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] score! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] score! [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] score! [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread [Carolyn Dorsey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:17:13 -0800 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] wahoo i'm 30. well, okay, so technically it's not for another 23.5 hours, but in the last hour of March 18th, 1973, i was born. thought i'd let everyone know. ...and so begin the crisis... brianna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:50:27 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] wahoo Congrats. I really never thought that people born after me would ever turn 30... I counted down the 1000 days that led up to me crossing to the Other Side, as if it were the end of the world. The Crossing wasn't really the end of the world, I guess, although there is no doubt that this IS the Other Side. I haven't made the exact calculation, but it's somewhere in the range of 2645 days until I hit 40 (I suppose perfectly folding laundry will then replace playing the guitar, assuming I can cheat Mr. D. that long). I can no longer keep track of all the grey hairs, but I have to count something. Counting cigarettes is too bleak. At least one is past their self-discovery phase by their thirties. I am now discovering numbers. So, be cheerful! You have about 3650! No thinking it's time to start things over, Adult Murt (Vague Shadow of Young Murt) 3/18/2003 3:17 AM, you wrote: > i'm 30. well, okay, so technically it's not for another 23.5 hours, but in > the last hour of March 18th, 1973, i was born. > thought i'd let everyone know. > ...and so begin the crisis... > brianna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tiger Reel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread as bill maher put it: "the 2000 election may not have been stolen, but it definately fell off a truck." - --- Gil Ray wrote: > --- JRT456@aol.com wrote: > But speaking of goofy rumors, > > are there really any > > grown-ups who still believe that roadblocks kept > > minority voters away from > > the Florida polling places in the last > Presidential > > election? > > Are there any grown-ups out there that truly believe > Jeb Bush did nothing to help his bro steal the > election? > > Gil > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:42:11 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread In a message dated 3/17/03 10:23:55 PM, ggilray@yahoo.com writes: << Are there any grown-ups out there that truly believe Jeb Bush did nothing to help his bro steal the election? >> Please provide an example from the many investigations made by both the government and the press. In a message dated 3/17/03 10:39:57 PM, jenor@uwm.edu writes: << http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/main.htm >> No, that doesn't seem to be it. I won't pretend to have read the whole thing, but an overview seems to be the accepted conclusion about the Florida election: There was a lot of incompetence, but it was mostly caused by the Democratic machine that runs the regional polls. (And the years since have only further proven the ineptitude of the Democratic officials.) Nobody doubts that the bureaucrats screwed up the purging of dead voters, felons, and more. There's simply no evidence of there being any racial targeting. Even when, say, important paperwork arrived inexcusably late in a historically black community, it was a bungle on the local Democratic level. The fact remains that the election had 900,000 black Floridians voting in a historic turnout. In fact, that's 400,000 more than voted in the Presidential election of 1996. I'd like to think that both Democrats and Republicans could do a better job of conspiring to keep any specific race from the polls. Anyone care to make a case for those fictional roadblocks? I know it's hard to believe, but Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can't always be trusted. Hey, did everybody know those New Math albums were reissued on a single CD back in 1999? They're a lot less embarrassing to enjoy than you'd think. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:51:24 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] The U.S. Commission On Civil Rights It's kind of sad to point this out, but I should add that it's not very persuading to present any idea of "evidence" as assembled by a U.S. Commission On Civil Rights that's headed by Mary Frances Berry. That's kind of like proudly flourishing a report on the benefits of Jim Crow as written by the Klu Klux Klan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:27:52 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The U.S. Commission On Civil Rights On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 07:51 AM, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > It's kind of sad to point this out, but I should add that it's not very > persuading to present any idea of "evidence" as assembled by a U.S. > Commission On Civil Rights that's headed by Mary Frances Berry. That's > kind > of like proudly flourishing a report on the benefits of Jim Crow as > written > by the Klu Klux Klan. OK, I know you're trolling, but the only real anti-Berry sentiment I turned up in the first few pages of a Google search were a few people complaining about her role in the whole Pacifica radio debacle, and I've never read anything close to an unbiased take on that whole mess, so... Or is there some _real_ reason to invoke loaded words like "Ku Klux Klan" and "Jim Crow", other than some perverse desire to "Godwin by proxy" this thread? -d.w. lessee, Hitler, Stalin, Mac vs. PC, Emacs vs. vi... did I miss anything? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:51:21 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The U.S. Commission On Civil Rights In a message dated 3/18/03 6:28:31 AM, dwalker@freeke.org writes: << OK, I know you're trolling, but the only real anti-Berry sentiment I turned up in the first few pages of a Google search were a few people complaining about her role in the whole Pacifica radio debacle, and I've never read anything close to an unbiased take on that whole mess, so... >> The Pacifica tale is certainly a good example of Berry's knack for corruption. However, I dispute that it's trolling to simply cite that even a racist hack like Berry could only come up with a report that sidestepped the Democrat's ineptitude at running the Florida polls. To learn more about Berry's role in Pacifica and the Civil Rights Commission, try this interesting article from those right-wing fanatics at Salon: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/12/berry/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:49:52 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] 'Irreversible' (spoiler) - No Annoying Polltics (NAP) Saw Irreversible last night I had read the reviews which warned of extreme violence, but was not prepared_ Really well-made, 'good' film_ but not for everybody_ like, I want to yell "Don't go see that movie!!!" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A man's face is repeatedly, noisily smashed in with a fire extinguisher, and there is an extended brutal rape/beating; all done in long takes, on screen_ Hard to watch, couldn't look away_ RT ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!" http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war17.html http://www.angrylambie.com Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:36:02 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Game Theory Tour photos from Gui (NAP) Gil, Gui and myself wearing tour moustaches! GT bass-player Gui Gassuan put seven GT tour pix on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gametheoryphotos/ They are under Photo, not in a folder RT ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!" http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war17.html http://www.angrylambie.com Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan Karen Eng written up in the SF Chronicle On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > > Peko Peko, a 'zine about food created by long-time > > loud-fan Karen Eng, written up in the SF Chronicle > > Karen, Karen, wherefore art thou, Karen? Presumably she is Karen because her parents named her that. "Wherefore" doesn't mean "where"; it means "why". (That last comma isn't there in the original; if my Project Gutenberg text can be trusted, it's O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo? Deny thy father and refuse thy name! Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love, And I'll no longer be a Capulet. In other words, "Why are you called Romeo? If your name was different, we could get married." I don't know if 'Romeo' is a particularly Montaguesque first name or what.) I remember seeing an excellent article by her in Bitch Magazine and noting her email address was aerodeliria@juno.com (or yahoo or something), but I don't remember seeing her post on the list. Is my memory lacking? aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:27:31 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan Karen Eng written up in the SF Chronicle At 03:20 PM 3/18/03 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >I remember seeing an excellent article by her in Bitch Magazine and noting >her email address was aerodeliria@juno.com (or yahoo or something), but I >don't remember seeing her post on the list. Is my memory lacking? I have never seen a post from her on the list, either. Maybe she lurks/lurked? A few months ago, though, she came into the library for some reference help while I was on the desk. I'd met her at a Scott solo show a couple years ago, but didn't recognize her at first. It was sort of a funny random loud-fans moment... Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Job_, chapter 38, verse 31 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan Karen Eng written up in the SF Chronicle > Presumably she is Karen because her parents named her that. "Wherefore" > doesn't mean "where"; it means "why". In the immortal words of Carl, yeah, sorry about that. My bad. Next you'll tell me Low played a whole set in the style of the Misfits, Andy Suitcase surprise: Rebuke written on inspection notice By Susan Gilmore Seattle Times staff reporter Seth Goldberg says that when he opened his suitcase in San Diego after a flight from Seattle this month, the two "No Iraq War" signs he'd picked up at the Pike Place Market were still nestled among his clothes. But there was a third sign, he said, that shocked him. Tucked in his luggage was a card from the Transportation Security Administration notifying him that his bags had been opened and inspected at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. Handwritten on the side of the card was a note, "Don't appreciate your anti-American attitude!" "I found it chilling and a little Orwellian to have received this message," said Goldberg, 41, a New Jersey resident who was in Seattle visiting longtime friend Davis Oldham, a University of Washington instructor. Goldberg says that when he took his suitcase off the airplane in San Diego, the zipper pulls were sealed with nylon straps, which indicated TSA had inspected the luggage. It would be hard, he said, for anyone else to have gotten inside his bags. TSA officials say they are looking into the incident. "We do not condone our employees making any kind of political comments or personal comments to any travelers," TSA spokeswoman Heather Rosenker told Reuters. "That is not acceptable." Goldberg, who is restoring a historic home in New Jersey, said he picked up the "No Iraq War" signs because he hadn't seen them in New Jersey and wanted to put them up at his house. "In New Jersey there's very little in the way of protest and when I got to Seattle I was amazed how many anti-war signs were up in front of houses," he said. "I'm not a political activist but was distressed by the way the country was rolling off to war." Goldberg said he checked two bags at Sea-Tac on March 2 and traveled to San Diego on Alaska Airlines. The TSA station was adjacent to the Alaska check-in counter. Nico Melendez, western regional spokesman for the TSA, said the note in Goldberg's luggage will be investigated, but he said there's no proof that a TSA employee wrote it. "It's a leap to say it was a TSA screener," Melendez said. But Goldberg said, "It seems a little far-fetched to think people are running around the airport writing messages on TSA literature and slipping them into people's bags." He says TSA should take responsibility and refocus its training "so TSA employees around the country are not trampling people's civil rights, not intimidating or harassing travelers. That's an important issue." Oldham, the UW instructor, said he was so upset by the incident he wrote members of Congress. U.S. Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., has asked TSA for a response. "The Senator certainly agrees with you that it is completely inappropriate for a public employee to write their opinion of your or your friend's political opinion," said Jay Pearson, aide to Cantwell, in a letter to Oldham. He said he expects it may take a month or more to hear back from the TSA. "I just thought it was outrageous," Oldham said. "It's one of many things happening recently where the government is outstepping its bounds in the midst of paranoia." - --from the Seattle Times of March 15, 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:14:51 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] Carolyn Dorsey's swap CD Carolyn sent me a neat CD as part of the January swap, exactly the kind of thing I like to get--lots of music across all kinds of genres, and lots to chew on. 1. DUKES OF STRATOSPHERE - Shiny Cage I've always been more fond of XTC's tongue-in-cheek side project the Dukes of Stratosphere than I am of XTC itself, because the things I like most about XTC--a playful mood, catchy melodies, and creative arrangements--are more likely to turn up in a random Dukes tune than in a random XTC song. 2. LUKE VIBERT & B.J. COLE - Party Animal With a hot live sound and party murmur in the background, this 60s-style light rock instrumental (think Ventures/Raybeats with a jazz drummer and a Hawaiian guitar) buzzes along very nicely. 3. MUSLIMGAUZE - Murmur You Support the Arabs Unfortunately, digital clipping renders this track unlistenable--it's much louder than the tracks around it and it washes out in speaker-tearing distortion. 4. BETH CUSTER - To Sleep, Perchance, to Dream A slow, slightly sad instrumental with a woodwind lead--maybe bass clarinet? (Is there such a thing?) This might be the music that plays after the detective hero has gotten beaten up and lost his girl. 5. MOONDOG - Here's to John Wesley Hardin Not my favorite track on the disk. :) A mechanical, metronome beat, some two-finger piano playing, and an aggressively tuneless refrain sung by a bland multitracked male chorus. 6. JIM WHITE - Still Waters On the other hand, this is the track that will probably lead me to a purchase. Backed by some great finger-picked guitar and mandolin (which swing along with deceptive peacefulness) White muses in his soft voice about the menace hidden not too far beneath the surface of his quiet personality. "Don't you know there's projects for the dead in Hell / and projects for the living? / And I must confess sometimes I get confused by that distinction." He's mining Nick Cave territory here, but doing it so softly you have to listen carefully to notice. I like that. 7. STEVEN R. SMITH - Loomings Another reflective instrumental, slow, atmospheric, and based around a single repetitive riff; yet interesting for all that. I can't decide whether it sounds mysteriously Asian or spaghetti Western. 8. MARGARET TAN LENG - Satie Blues From her album "The Art of the Toy Piano." Much more Satie than blues here--Leng sounds as if she's actually channeling him. There's nothing ridiculous about her use of the toy piano here; it makes me wonder if there were more possibilities than we knew in the dental-floss guitar my friends and I made in college. 9. PROCOL HARUM - Salty Dog It's hard for me to get mad at 60s and early 70s bands for being self-consciously portentous, abusing string arrangements, and singing lyrics that sail off the edge of the world and fall into nonsense. They were trying to chart new waters, after all. 10. TIM BUCKLEY - I Can't See You I've never actually heard Tim Buckley's voice before, and it turns out it sounds so much like that of the guy who sang "C'mon people now, smile on your brother" that I have a hard time getting past it. He also declaims his lyrics with the high seriousness and righteous fervor of a Joan Baez, which loses me completely. 11. APHRODITE'S CHILD - The Four Horsemen Oh, this is just great! First, to a background of tinkling bells, a canary-voiced tenor chants Biblical prophecy about the seals of the end of the world being opened; then the rock band kicks in with a chorus that recalls the very best of John Entwistle (as a songwriter, I mean), until you listen to the words about, well, all the pretty horses: The leading horse is white The second horse is red The the third one is-a black The last one is-a green And that's it! It goes back and forth between the bells and the rock a couple of times, and then a guitar solo worthy of Eric Clapton('s less talented cousin) takes over for about four minutes while the band kind of quacks in the background, as if with duck calls. I LOVE THIS SONG! This is authentic 70s rock, by the way. AllMusic says that this was the most popular Greek band of the era; Vangelis was the keyboard player. 12. P.G. SIX - Go Your Way In Seattle's Fremont neighborhood, a hammer-dulcimer store called Dusty Strings has a speaker by the door that broadcasts exactly this kind of folksy stuff onto the sidewalk outside, evoking faeries and meadow flowers and gentle red-haired men in tam-o'-shanters, or whatever the Irish version of tam-o'-shanters are. Which is all perfectly fine, and I'm being terribly unfair. 13. BROTHER JT3 - Say No More I'm not sure how to classify this (which after my "review" of track 12, is probably a relief). The arrangement is piano, bass, congas and high hats, and the piano and vocals are miked close. The tune is simple and catchy, but the singer sounds uncertain. Is it jazz? Is it rock (Joe Jackson / Ben Folds)? Whatever it is, it's interesting, but lacks a certain fire. 14. SPARKLEHORSE - Piano Fire I'm already a big fan of Sparklehorse, so this track from "it's a wonderful life" is a welcome friend in strange territory. Mysterious, personal, catchy, distorted, unique. 15. THE CLEAN - Fish Another vintage-sounding instrumental, ominous, tough and (yes) clean. Two guitars, bass and drum; maybe 100 beats a minute; is this part of a '60s spy movie soundtrack or just the B-side to a single I've never heard? 16. CIRCLE - hissi = festum This modern instrumental baffled me from its title on, so I looked it up in AllMusic. Turns out it's free jazz, a musical foreign language I doubt I shall ever master. It doesn't register either positively or negatively. 17. THE BEATLES - And Your Bird Can Sing This is the Anthology version, featuring vocals broken up by giggles and playful laughter in every verse. Is Paul actually carrying that complicated bass line at the same time he's singing and laughing? It might be, because this track certainly has the propulsion and energy of a live performance. The creative energy and joyous camaraderie of the Beatles at this stage of their career (1966) is thrilling. A great selection. Thank you very much, Carolyn! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Carolyn Dorsey's swap CD > 4. BETH CUSTER - To Sleep, Perchance, to Dream > > A slow, slightly sad instrumental with a woodwind lead--maybe bass > clarinet? (Is there such a thing?) Sure there's a bass clarinet--what do you think Captain Beefheart and his cousin The Mascara Snake play on TROUT MASK REPLICA? I think the Mascara Snake's ultimate problem was that he couldn't just-barely-play anything else. Contra and sub-contrabass too, come to think of it... > 8. MARGARET TAN LENG - Satie Blues > >>From her album "The Art of the Toy Piano." Much more Satie than blues > here--Leng sounds as if she's actually channeling him. There's nothing > ridiculous about her use of the toy piano here; it makes me wonder if > there were more possibilities than we knew in the dental-floss guitar my > friends and I made in college. I'm most fond of the 8-track tape a couple of folks unspooled, then strung between a window on the fifth floor of one dorm, and two windows on the eighth floor of another dorm thirty-five or so yards away. > 9. PROCOL HARUM - Salty Dog > > It's hard for me to get mad at 60s and early 70s bands for being > self-consciously portentous, abusing string arrangements, and singing > lyrics that sail off the edge of the world and fall into nonsense. They > were trying to chart new waters, after all. I will assume this the same one Cat Power sings on THE COVERS RECORD. > 11. APHRODITE'S CHILD - The Four Horsemen > This is authentic 70s rock, by the way. AllMusic says that this was the > most popular Greek band of the era; Vangelis was the keyboard player. From a concept album called 666, adapting the Apocalypse of St. John. No. Really. > 14. SPARKLEHORSE - Piano Fire > > I'm already a big fan of Sparklehorse, so this track from "it's a > wonderful life" is a welcome friend in strange territory. Mysterious, > personal, catchy, distorted, unique. Mark Linkous fans will of course want the recently-released FEAR YOURSELF, a collaboration with the mighty Daniel Johnston. Who came up at chat a few weeks ago, if memory serves. Length of every single one of FEAR YOURSELF's twelve selections, according to allmusic.com: 0:00 , Andy The sub contra bass clarinet is pitched in B-flat and sounds one octave below the contra bass. This is three octaves below the soprano B-flat. Let's do some calculations: Soprano : A 440 Hz Bass : A 220 Hz Contra Bass : A 110 Hz Sub Contra Bass : A 55 Hz This is the second lowest A you could play on the clarinet. There is an A one octave below. On the Sub Contra Bass that would be 27.5 Hz. If you concider that the clarinet descends to concert D-flat, C or even B-flat, (I don't know if this instruments really do) we would come up with a frequency of about 14-15 Hz. Not many people would be able to hear this frequency. In Sweden the mains supply is 50 Hz. Please make sure that the plumber guy doesn't take this instrument for a pipe and install it in your bathroom. ;-) - --Erik Alhgren, from his clarinet pages at http://hem.passagen.se/eriahl/clarinet.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] score! On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > frequency of about 14-15 Hz. Not many people would be able to hear this > frequency. In Sweden the mains supply is 50 Hz. but at sufficient amplitude it might mess 'em up. whether they could hear it or not. fortunately virtually no consumer equipment reproduces sounds down there. so for years my vinyl holy grail has been a record by a gent named "clive pig" called _a sense of the size of the world_ that we had at my old radio station. i've passed up several copies with prices in the $30 range and twice tried to order from outfits that claimed to have copies for about a ten spot. a month or so ago a connecticut vendor listed one for $7 and i ordered it, and it actually showed up. wouw. it's goofier than i remembered, but not in an entirely bad way. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:26:22 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] score! At 09:11 PM 3/18/2003 -0500, dmw wrote: >On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >> frequency of about 14-15 Hz. Not many people would be able to hear this >> frequency. In Sweden the mains supply is 50 Hz. > >but at sufficient amplitude it might mess 'em up. whether they could hear >it or not. fortunately virtually no consumer equipment reproduces sounds >down there. Which, inevitably, reminds me of an old '70s-vintage ad they used to reproduce on the back of the Paradox Records catalogues (remember them?) in the mid-'80s: women's panties with a small speaker in the crotch. You were supposed to put them on, plug them into the headphone jack of your stereo and, ahem, get off on your favorite album. Puts a whole new twist on "These go to 11," I think... S NP: YEAR OF THE CAT -- Al Stewart (the album tracks are a lot better than I remember) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:34:07 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] score! On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 09:26 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > supposed to put them on, plug them into the headphone jack of your > stereo > and, ahem, get off on your favorite album. Apologies if this link has already popped up on this list, but I don't remember seeing it: http://tinyurl.com/2h1q Not safe for work, probably. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:05:48 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] score! At Tuesday 3/18/2003 09:34 PM -0500, Dave Walker wrote: >Apologies if this link has already popped up on this list, >but I don't remember seeing it: > >http://tinyurl.com/2h1q > >Not safe for work, probably. Okay, that's totally bizarre. I had no idea. I especially liked the part about the washable protective "glove". I'm looking at the PS2 in a whole new way now... I'm beginning to see what Sony's ultimate plan for future "gaming" consoles is. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread - --- JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > Please provide an example from the many > investigations made by both the > government and the press. > doubts that the bureaucrats screwed up the purging Oh, I have no examples. Just my little ol' liberal heart telling me that something had to be up when Dubya was running neck to neck (or even losing) to Gore in Jeb's state, and all of a sudden shit hits the fan. But hey! Since when does the Right pay attention to facts? Global warming is bad science! Partial birth abortion is a medical term! Running up the deficit to record numbers after the biggest surplus in history, is good economics!Drilling for oil in Alaska won't hurt the enviroment! Saddam was behind the 911 attack! Please. Gil :) Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:02:42 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] LN Pt. 4 revision Scott told me that he, not Gui, played bass on Last Day That We're Young. Makes sense. Maybe a bit too >crisp< for a Gui part. Gil Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:13:08 -0500 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread on 3/18/03 10:47 PM, Gil Ray at ggilray@yahoo.com wrote: > Partial birth > abortion is a medical term! Gil- Could you explain what you mean by this? I know you're pointing out the obvious justifications for oil drilling, polluting, etc but I don't understand this statement. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:43:45 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread - --- Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > on 3/18/03 10:47 PM, Gil Ray at ggilray@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > Partial birth > > abortion is a medical term! > > Gil- > > Could you explain what you mean by this? I know > you're pointing out the > obvious justifications for oil drilling, polluting, > etc but I don't > understand this statement. > > Carolyn Partial birth abortion is a term created by anti- abortionists to describe late term abortion. This is usually done when the mother's life is at risk. The medical establishment seems dismayed that this government is on the verge of making it illegal. Gil Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:18:29 -0500 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Not a political thread I nearly just posted a political opinion then I stopped myself. It's best for me to save my political opinions for other forums. Hope everyone is ok for the difficult days ahead. Thanks for the nice review, John. I admit I like faeries and meadow flowers and gentle red-haired men in tam-o'-shanters! But that version that PG Six did of Go Your Way is a beautiful song written by Anne Briggs, and I heard it as more folky and psychy than candle shoppe-ish, but I can see how those sounds could overlap. I'm glad in some ways that I tend to be undiscriminating about lots of music. Is anyone following American idol? I like Reuben. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:19:10 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread In a message dated 3/18/03 8:44:42 PM, ggilray@yahoo.com writes: << The medical establishment seems dismayed that this government is on the verge of making it illegal. >> And that's supposed to be an issue of the Right vs. the Left? This will come as news to the Democrats who oppose what's commonly referred to as partial-birth abortion. But then, you seem to prefer hysteria to either facts or examples. Now get to work on those "Big Shot Chronicles" production notes. Yo, much respect to the drummer. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:04:14 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] warning: risks becoming annoying, extended political thread - --- JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/18/03 8:44:42 PM, >Now get to work on those "Big Shot > Chronicles" production notes. Yeah, I should stick to what I know best (well, at least to the stuff I thought I knew best..until Scott checked my ass on the Gui/Last Day/bass thing..) BSC this weekend (?) (Sure hope the war don't screw up my Oscar watchin' plans!) Gil Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Not a political thread - --- Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > I nearly just posted a political opinion then I > stopped myself. It's best > for me to save my political opinions for other > forums. > > Hope everyone is ok for the difficult days ahead. Yeah. You're right. I think I'll do the same. BSC soon!!!! Gil (I appreciate your concern for the days ahead) Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #80 ******************************