From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #68 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, March 7 2003 Volume 03 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re:[loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned [dana-boy@juno.com] Re:[loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] "What's a distraction?" [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] "What's a contract?" [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] "What's a distraction?" ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] "What's a distraction?" [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] randomness [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] randomness [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] The new Throwing Muses album is great [Dan Schmidt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:58:49 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:[loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned Jeff said: So instead of giving away that Fall CD-R (hereinafter "CD"), I am lending it to the person who earlier claimed it (hereinafter "D"), for an indefinite period of time... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.2 The Service has been developed to allow individual end users the opportunity to sample and experience a broad catalog of music at a very reasonable price. By enrolling in the Service, you acknowledge and agree that you have no right to provide any files obtained through the Service to any other party or through any other means. You may only make copies of any file obtained through the Service for your own personal use. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re:[loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned Damn fine print! You woulda gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for those meddlin' kids! - --- dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > 5.2 The Service has been developed to allow individual end users the opportunity to > sample and experience a broad catalog of music at a very reasonable price. By > enrolling in the Service, you acknowledge and agree that you have no right to provide > any files obtained through the > Service to any other party or through any other means. You may only make copies of any > file obtained through the Service for your own personal use. Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:35:19 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re:[loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned Quoting "Pete O." : > Damn fine print! > > You woulda gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for those meddlin' > kids! > > --- dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > > 5.2 The Service has been developed to allow individual end users > the opportunity to > > sample and experience a broad catalog of music at a very reasonable > price. By > > enrolling in the Service, you acknowledge and agree that you have no > right to provide > > any files obtained through the > > Service to any other party or through any other means. "More specifically, D, by accepting these terms, agrees to construe the situation essentially as D saying, 'hey, can I hear that Fall CD?' to which I reply, 'Sure!'; such exchange...in [no] way constituting 'distribution' of the CD or its contents on my part." I'm merely allowing him to listen to it - unless someone's seriously going to argue I really *should* wear headphones at all times when listening to eMusic stuff. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: Stef Subject: Re:[loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > unless someone's seriously going to argue I really > *should* wear headphones at all times when listening > to eMusic stuff. Depends on what you're listening to... Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > ps: Jim Yoshii Pile-Up, Xiu Xiu, Summer at Shatter Creek, the Wrens, > Franklin Bruno, Pinback, The Mountain Goats...what's not to like about > that Absolutely Kosher sampler, eh? So you know, write the guy. Me, I'll > be burying its pieces in my backyard. Man, Jeff, what's the deal? You were given two copies of that CD by the label. *Nobody* has said that people shouldn't give away duplicates acquired legitimately; in fact, nobody (on this thread) has even said that people shouldn't be burning and distributing copies of nominally-illegal mix CDs. So who, in your mind, thinks you should actually destroy this second AK sampler disc? I understand the idea of exaggeration for humorous effect, but in this case you're exaggerating opinions actually held by other people during a recent non-joking disagreement with you, making it seem more like a "straw man" problem than "comical overstatement". a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:02:08 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re:[loud-fans] sssshhhhh! + turpitude unturned I'm merely allowing him to listen to it - unless someone's seriously going to argue I really *should* wear headphones at all times when listening to eMusic stuff. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, this is kind of getting pathological. The eMusic agreement doesn't say anything about playing the music for other people. It says you can't give the files to anyone else. I know that you're smart enough to get that. I suppose I should be happy that you're proving my point about what the record companies are up against. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:19:04 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What's a contract?" dana-boy@juno.com on Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:03:22 wrote: > 4. Unless the laws are inconvenient, requiring you, for example, > to throw away a small plastic disc. Godforbid I should ever let a thread die, but this phrase got stuck in my mind yesterday and I've finally figured out why (D'oh!). How in the world is it more "inconvenient" for Jeff to throw the disc away than: 1) Send a message to the List to see who wants it, 2) Package up the disc, and 3) Mail it out to the recipient ?? Has Jeff invented a cargo teleporter that he hasn't told us about? I know we're just talking semantics here, but hey, semantics is what we're all about in LoudFans Land... (In other words, yes, I do understand the True Meaning of what you were trying to say.) Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:29:44 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What's a distraction?" On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > Godforbid I should ever let a thread die i think this would be an excellent time to make an exception. hey! look over there! is that... beer?? np wedding present ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:56:23 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What's a contract?" Quoting Roger Winston : > Has Jeff invented a cargo teleporter that he hasn't told us about? Yep. And that episode of _Futurama_? Stole my idea. Except for the part about its being beer-powered. Guess where I got that idea. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" np: Wire _Document and Eyewitness_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:09:43 -0600 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] Aimee! Our beloved Aimee Mann made her first (as near as I can remember) appearance in the NYT crossword puzzle today. 37 across, to be exact. Maybe she'll become a regular like "Rock's Brian", otherwise clued as "Roxy Music Co-founder", who seems to be an NYT crossword favorite. - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:02:32 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What's a distraction?" dmw on 3/6/2003 5:29:44 AM wrote: > hey! look over there! is that... beer?? I don't think that would work - I'm something of a teetotaler lately. Not sure why, but I seem to be losing my taste for the Amber Nectar. Hopefully that will pass. I've also avoided caffeine the last few days, even though I don't really ingest that much to begin with (I stick to decaf coffee and caffeine-free diet pop when at home, but I do usually have a few caffeinated diet pops during the day). I woke up with a killer headache yesterday that felt like a caffeine-withdrawl headache, so maybe I was taking in more than I thought. I feel I need to throw in a rant against SUVs here. Why? Anyway, I want to thank doug for alerting me to the fact that there's a new Ad Frank CD out (http://www.adfrank.com). I love it. Best of his three solo discs. Buy it, because I'm not going to copy mine for you. Also, call me insane, but I hear some Buzzcocks influence in the Kelly Osbourne record, especially on the first song. Latre. --Rog np (in the car): Buzzcocks, The Internet Album ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:46:36 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 'What's a contract?' > Quoting Roger Winston : > >> Has Jeff invented a cargo teleporter that he hasn't told us about? > > Yep. And that episode of _Futurama_? Stole my idea. Anybody else remember that IBM ad, mid-90s, where they claimed they had the power to "teleport small objects," or would soon? ...and do we now know why Dana doesn't need to speed?... Andy Inkblot Consolidated Works One night only, and you missed it.Let's start at the beginning. Last December, this guy calling himself "Inkblot" bought a rave review from yours truly from the Strangercrombie & Felch Holiday Gift Catalog auction (proceeds go to charity, fuck you). Naturally, I was concerned that my (almost) almost incorruptible integrity would be compromised--i.e., the guy could really suck donkey dick and I'd have to lie my little red keister off. But I can go to my grave an honest man. Why? Because I can rave about Inkblot with a clear conscience. Inkblot's self-titled, one-man show was truly, without exaggeration, an experience I will never forget. The show promised to "plumb the depths of society's ills, mankind's deepest fears, and the raw intensity of the human experience." I don't know if it was the depths of human experience, but Inkblot sure plumbed something raw: This intense, weird, and loosely structured show dragged me kicking through sympathy then hilarity then fear. Dressed in late-'70s Elvis garb, pacing back and forth, Inkblot shared the twisted story of his life, from birth till just now, imparting the hard-won wisdom he'd gathered along the way. He raged and ranted and kicked the shit out of two blow-up sex dolls before pretending to blast his face off with a shotgun and lying "dead" on the stage for the duration of the audience's exit. Truly, Inkblot is one show--and one person--that has truly affected me forever. ADRIAN RYAN Eds. Note--Following his performance, Inkblot requested that, instead of his purchased rave, he be given a regular old review. "To have a review written that's not really accurate doesn't feel right," said Inkblot. "So tell Adrian to have at it." Inkblot's request was passed on to Adrian Ryan, with results below. I mentioned that I would remember Inkblot and his show forever--but not necessarily in the most pleasant of ways. Pulling off a successful one-man show requires... more. A lot more. More responsibility to one's audience, for a start. It seems obvious, but presenting a long rant about one's deeply personal problems and psychological quirks is appropriate for one's psychiatrist, but never, ever for one's audience. Standing up and talking about yourself doesn't equal good theater. The audience feels first uncomfortable, then trapped, then resentful. I see it all the time. Then there are all those pesky little technical aspects. In his show, Inkblot made a couple statements denouncing education and studying--one should just go out and be whatever one aspires to be. But Inkblot, trust me, you need to learn a thing or two. Like blocking. Pacing is not good blocking. And structure. There was none. And small, seemingly obvious things, like never, ever force an audience to guess one's age. Or make vague and scary jokes about having bombs secretly taped to one's chest to blow up the audience. That went over like a lead feather attached to the bottom of a lead balloon with lead glue. But I'm not suggesting Inkblot give up the stage. I recommend working with some established local theater companies and clocking some serious time on the boards--explore standup--before attempting another solo offering. Being a successful performing artist just isn't as easy as it looks. ADRIAN RYAN - --from http://www.thestranger.com/current/theater.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:29:57 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What's a distraction?" On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > Not sure why, but I seem to be losing my taste for the Amber Nectar. > Hopefully that will pass. O! God's punishment for the perpetuation of dangerous threads. I didn't think it would come to this so soon. Look! Over there! Perrier! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:47:26 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What's a distraction?" On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > Anyway, I want to thank doug for alerting me to the fact that there's a > new Ad Frank CD out (http://www.adfrank.com). I love it. Best of his > three solo discs. Buy it, because I'm not going to copy mine for you. Has Doug been the only one to mention it? Wow. Yes, it's really good. The backing band is sort of terrible, if you ask me, but his songs are even better than last time. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:59:53 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: [loud-fans] The new Throwing Muses album is great I thought you all might like to know (and looking back at old messages, I see that Dana already does). Exceeded my expectations even though I was already excited about it. I like the new King Crimson too although that is probably of less interest here. Pretty much the same feel as the last one. Hmm, having trouble constructing complete sentences. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:10:16 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The new Throwing Muses album is great On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Dan Schmidt wrote: > I like the new King Crimson too although that is probably of less > interest here. Pretty much the same feel as the last one. wait, what counts as last? "construKction of light?" - -- d., very eager to hear both the new hersh offerings np jen wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:23:22 -0800 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] randomness thing one: new contact info for me - 925.837.1738 (yet another palindrome, if you ignore the area code) in the lovely city of san ramon, seriously considering painting my living room dark grey. because i can. thing two: anyone else going to True Love tomorrow to see anton + stew? thing three (and you thought there was only thing one and thing two): you know that 'ball-bearing in a box' sound (nod to TimW)? ever heard a hard drive make that noise? if you do, say a hail mary, wave a dead chicken, and back up you files, cuz they're going the way of the dodo. i'll never again be able to listen to that track without cringing... brianna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:40:15 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] randomness At 03:23 PM 3/6/03 -0800, me wrote: >thing two: >anyone else going to True Love tomorrow to see anton + stew? I will be there with my friends Meredith and Greg. I'm quite looking forward to it! Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley He multiplieth words without knowledge. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Job_, chapter 35, verse 16 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] randomness What is "True Love"? Gil duh. - --- me wrote: > thing one: > new contact info for me - 925.837.1738 (yet another > palindrome, if you ignore > the area code) in the lovely city of san ramon, > seriously considering painting > my living room dark grey. because i can. > > thing two: > anyone else going to True Love tomorrow to see anton > + stew? > > thing three (and you thought there was only thing > one and thing two): > you know that 'ball-bearing in a box' sound (nod to > TimW)? ever heard a hard > drive make that noise? if you do, say a hail mary, > wave a dead chicken, and > back up you files, cuz they're going the way of the > dodo. i'll never again be > able to listen to that track without cringing... > > brianna Yahoo! 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I am so glad they seem to have dropped the Kcreative spelling. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:03:25 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] randomness what is true love? wow - you poor thing... ;) it's a coffee house in sacto. nice little place. http://www.antonbarbeau.com/gigbag.html http://truelovesacto.com/ ## this is our big-deal CD release funfest, so as much encouragement as i can muster is being mustered now for YOU to be encouraged to come. FRIDAY MARCH 7TH - TRUE LOVE COFFEEHOUSE the Alamos on at 9 the ANTON BARBEAU DETAILED DREAMERS IN SOFT LIGHT BRIGADE at 10 and ... one of the greatest songwriters on the planet, from los angeles, STEW (http://www.negroproblem.com/) at 11pm. this is the "import copy" cd release of the album i did in england with the bevis frond. it's gonna be a great night and we're pleased to introduce our new drummer andy "i realy am british, i swear" crisp. he rock - you like him good. $7, all ages. i do encourage everyone to aim for an early arrival, as this might get crowded quick. on the other hand, don't avoid the show for that very reason! if you've never heard or seen stew, you must come and witness. the first time we played with him i thought "oh, so this must be what it was like to see xtc." lyrically and melodically stew is amazing, and he's funny as heck or hell, depending. ## - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Ray" To: "me" ; Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] randomness > What is "True Love"? > Gil duh. > --- me wrote: > > thing one: > > new contact info for me - 925.837.1738 (yet another > > palindrome, if you ignore > > the area code) in the lovely city of san ramon, > > seriously considering painting > > my living room dark grey. because i can. > > > > thing two: > > anyone else going to True Love tomorrow to see anton > > + stew? > > > > thing three (and you thought there was only thing > > one and thing two): > > you know that 'ball-bearing in a box' sound (nod to > > TimW)? ever heard a hard > > drive make that noise? if you do, say a hail mary, > > wave a dead chicken, and > > back up you files, cuz they're going the way of the > > dodo. i'll never again be > > able to listen to that track without cringing... > > > > brianna > Yahoo! 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