From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #59 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 03 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question [Tim Walters ] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question ["John Cooper" ] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question [Tim Walters ] Re: [loud-fans] School Griping ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] School Griping [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Dreams Reoccuring (was: Re: School Griping) [mbowen@frontiern] Re: [loud-fans] Dreams Reoccuring (was: Re: School Griping) [Miles Goosen] Re: [loud-fans] Game Theory cover scans? ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] School Griping [Stef Hurts ] Re: [loud-fans] Dreams Reoccuring (was: Re: School Griping) [Jeffrey with] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] FW: [paisley-pop] Wild Honey Night #3... ((Scott X2)) [F] [loud-fans] Lolita Nation PT. 2 [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question ["G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question >Is "octopi" a word (as in more than one >octopus)? I always thought it was, but >WordPerfect insists otherwise. Purists prefer not to mix Greek and Latin elements in the same word, and therefore say "octopuses" or "octopodes" (four syllables). - -- Free Exquisite Music : The Doubtful Palace : http://www.doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:54:22 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Keeping the world safe for folded laundry On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I dunno - I'd be a lot happier (as if I have some sort of sovereignty over > someone else's thoughts) if he'd said, "hey, I've got a baby girl now - > there's more important things to do," or something like that - but no, now when has he ever been that straightforward about the creative process? there are tons and tons of folks who announced their retirement from the music business, and decided, three or five years later, that they had something else to say after all. some made "elder statesman" sorta records that were no insult to their former career; some barfed up lumps of ambergris that insured their kids would never have to work a day in their lives -- i still say, leave the man alone and let him come around to the idea when and if he does. i also don't think his disenchantment with the idea of completely solo self-distributed recording is unreasonable, nor his real-dreams snobbery - -- Scott strikes me as a bit of a perfectionist, and i don't think it's fair to expect him to release work that is inferior to his vision of it. on the other hand, it's only going to get more feasible for someone to record some drums in a studio and e-mail them to have more things recorded on them. Scott's music has never been particularly dependent on capturing a specific *performance* -- so doing something very piecemeal needn't represent any compromise, as along as the sonics are good throughout the process. and if i were inclined to micro-analyze "Ask Scott" -- which, i'm not, really -- i might claim that his recent comments implying that working with an outside producer has value to him might be construed as the most hopeful remarks in the direction of AN-maybe-not-being-the-LAST in, um, well, ever. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:08:29 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question Quoting Tim Walters : > >Is "octopi" a word (as in more than one > >octopus)? I always thought it was, but > >WordPerfect insists otherwise. > > Purists prefer not to mix Greek and Latin elements in the same word, > and therefore say "octopuses" or "octopodes" (four syllables). And the "-es" ending isn't mixing elements from different languages? Spellcheckers are pretty dumb: they're good for catching obvious errors of relatively common words, but as (was it Jer's?) your example shows, even fairly common things like the plural of "octopus" confuse them. (American Heritage College 4th shows "octopuses or octopi"; King Thud (a/k/a Random House 2nd unabridged) shows the same. Neither show "octopodes.") ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question Jeff: > (American > Heritage College 4th shows "octopuses or octopi"; King Thud (a/k/a > Random House 2nd unabridged) shows the same. Neither show "octopodes.") OED online actually shows "octopedes" as the first-choice plural, noting "octopuses" as the anglicized version, and doesn't show "octopi" at all. (The mixing-Greek-and-Latin argument is a little suspect since they also list the etymology of "octopus" as being from the modern Latin, adopted from the Greek - so the counter- argument could be made that the more recent version of the word is Latin and can safely be pluralized in the Latin manner.) Me, I've never encountered "octopodes" before this morning - I'd accept either "octopuses" or "octopi" and assume the user of "octopodes" was a zoologist and prone to exceptionally precise usages. Charity ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Charity Stafford wrote: > Me, I've never encountered "octopodes" before this morning - > I'd accept either "octopuses" or "octopi" and assume the > user of "octopodes" was a zoologist and prone to exceptionally > precise usages. i think i was prolly about ten when i was chastised (just the modern definition) for using the incorrect construction "octopi" and first encountered "octopodes" -- i misheard it, though, and since i didn't know the rules for greek pluralization, i labored for years under the misapprehension that the correct plural was "octopo." - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:06:42 -0500 (EST) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question Doug Mayo-Wells: > i think i was prolly about ten when i was chastised (just the > modern definition) for using the incorrect construction "octopi" and > first encountered "octopodes" -- Uh-oh - more evidence that my education was slipshod. When I was ten, I was struggling through a neighborhood grade school where the 4th-grade teacher held a policy that he simply didn't send girl students to the accelerated program, and there was nobody in my home life with any kind of classical-language background. My 6-year junior high/ high school gave me five years of required Latin (and an option for another year as a senior-year elective) and was LOADED with usage sticklers among both the Latin and the English teachers, but apparently *only* with a Latin bent - they didn't even offer classical Greek during my time there, though Boston Latin did and I believe that BLA now has a year or two available. Oh, well - today I have been enlightened, although I stick to my guns and maintain that holding out for "octopodes" is picking a nearly microscopic nit. But maybe that's just me resisting correction. Unfortunately, "octopuses" really sounds kind of awkward, while even "octopi" sounds slightly pretentious. Luckily, I very very rarely need to refer to more than one octopus at a time, since even ordering it off a menu in a restaurant usually involves the singular. Maybe this is the way to go - just avoid the plural altogether! Charity ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:12:45 -0800 From: "John Cooper" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question Charity wrote: > Uh-oh - more evidence that my education was slipshod. I wish I'd had the kind of slipshod education that included an accelerated program, even in theory, and five years of required Latin. I vividly remember my 8th-grade "social studies"/gym teacher writing the word "bourgeois" on the board (copying it carefully from the book, no doubt), and carefully instructing us in its pronunciation: bore-wah-jay. The education I got from that class, which was by no means atypical, came mostly from a passed-around copy of "The Exorcist." I also remember trying to research World War II using the study-hall encyclopedia and not being successful, although I did find an entry for "Great War." (This was in the 1970s.) Fortunately, the town had a public library whose encyclopedia was only a few years old. > Luckily, I very very rarely need to refer to more > than one octopus at a time, since even ordering it off a menu > in a restaurant usually involves the singular. Maybe this is > the way to go - just avoid the plural altogether! "Waiter, I'll have an octopus. And would you mind bringing another at the same time?" Incidentally, the New Shorter OED (3/ed, 1993) lists "octopuses," "octopi" and "octopedes" in that order. I wonder why the online OED is different. My own feeling is that "octopus" is an English word and English inflections are acceptable, just as "indexes" isn't usually frowned upon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:33:40 -0800 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question > > Purists prefer not to mix Greek and Latin elements in the same word, >> and therefore say "octopuses" or "octopodes" (four syllables). > >And the "-es" ending isn't mixing elements from different languages? As far as I know, no one objects to putting English plurals on words borrowed from other languages. Otherwise we'd have to use the original plurals of "tepee," "kumquat," etc. It's mixing elements from more than one foreign language that's not quite the done thing. Charity's point about getting both via Latin is interesting, but I doubt it would have swayed the people I've met who have fulminated about this. I ain't no purist, and I have no problem with "octopi," but I was trying to figure out why a spell-checker might (and shouldn't that be "spelling-checker"?). My dictionary (Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged, Second Edition) lists "octopuses," "octopodes," and "octopi," in that order. Perhaps "octopodes" is American for "octopedes"? - -- Free Exquisite Music : The Doubtful Palace : http://www.doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:34:49 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] It begins (ns) http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/26/technology/26MUSI.html (NY Times article about the new AOL music download service) Compared with emusic, this sounds pretty lame, but it does look like things are starting to happen. BTW, the Joy Zipper album on eMusic appears to be missing one of the best songs (The Power of Alan Watts). Grrrr. Andrew, I went to the post office :) - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:24:00 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question > Luckily, I very very rarely need to refer to more > than one octopus at a time, since even ordering it off a menu > in a restaurant usually involves the singular. Maybe this is > the way to go - just avoid the plural altogether! "Waiter, I'll have an octopus. And would you mind bringing another at the same time?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Waiter, my gorgeous French mistress and I will have two orders of the octopus." "Help, I'm being attacked by an octopus and another octopus and another octopus in revenge for ordering the octopus last night!!" - --dana, who sent a message earlier about an interesting article, concerning AOL's new music service, that appears in todays Times. Said post has vanished, leading me to believe that it'll hit the list in a month or so and confuse everyone. Be warned. Andrew, I went to the post office. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:29:13 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] School Griping > I wish I'd had the kind of slipshod education that included an > accelerated > program, even in theory, and five years of required Latin. I vividly > remember my 8th-grade "social studies"/gym teacher writing the word > "bourgeois" on the board (copying it carefully from the book, no > doubt), and > carefully instructing us in its pronunciation: bore-wah-jay. The > education I > got from that class, which was by no means atypical, came mostly from a > passed-around copy of "The Exorcist." Here here. I remember taking a class as a junior in my high school (early eighties), being assigned to write a paragraph on a film we had watched, and being reminded at length to "Capitalize the first word of the sentence, and when the sentence is done please use a period." , etc. And people wonder why smart students tend to slack out of boredom. Although, I have to admit I slacked through Calculus because it was way over my head. Chris Who still has those dreams occasionally where he's back in school, and forgot to go to class all semester, and is suddenly faced with the final exam. Somebody should make a pill that stops those..... np: Interpol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] School Griping - --- Chris Prew wrote: > Chris > Who still has those dreams occasionally where he's back in school, and > forgot to go to class all semester, and is suddenly faced with the > final exam. Somebody should make a pill that stops those..... > I have that particular nightmare *all* the time. And I was completely anal about not missing a minute of class time. - - Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:19:32 -0500 (EST) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] School Griping - --- Chris Prew wrote: > Chris > Who still has those dreams occasionally where he's back in school, and > forgot to go to class all semester, and is suddenly faced with the > final exam. Somebody should make a pill that stops those..... And Pete O. wrote: > I have that particular nightmare *all* the time. > And I was completely anal about not missing a minute of class > time. Ah - I first learned about that incredibly common dream back in the 70s when a thread about it appeared in the letters column of HARVARD MAGAZINE. (We got it in the mail because my dad was staff photographer for the Harvard News Office and did work for the magazine on a regular basis.) Someone wrote in describing the dream, apparently thinking it was unique, and the follow-up letters from others chiming in to say "I thought I was the only one that ever had that dream!" went on for something like a year. I have the cure for that problem, but it's not a fun one - I *lived* the nightmare. I was pretty stupid about not dropping classes that I should have dropped, and I took a two-semester European History class. The first semester was great - all about cultural history and the arts in European history up to maybe just before the Industrial Revolution. The second semester was completely different - it had a different instructor and basically traced the development of modern politics, in which I had no interest. I stopped going to classes, I didn't read, I didn't do the required paper, but, silly me, I didn't have the sense to drop the class, even though I had realized it was not for me BEFORE the deadline to do so without penalty. And then, having done that, I went and took the final exam. Sat there staring at my blue book trying to come up with what I could recall from high school history about the factors leading to WWI. Left the book pretty well blank. NOT a pretty picture. One of several incidents from my youth that make me wonder how I managed to survive my teens and early 20s, I did so many utterly dumb things. But - I never have that dream! Charity ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:28:58 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Charity Stafford wrote: > Doug Mayo-Wells: > > > i think i was prolly about ten when i was chastised (just the > > modern definition) for using the incorrect construction "octopi" and > > first encountered "octopodes" -- > > Uh-oh - more evidence that my education was slipshod. no, i think it's more evidence that my parents were really, really weird. my mom was an english teacher who was the daughter of an english teacher's daughter. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:06:15 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question > no, i think it's more evidence that my parents were really, really > weird. > > my mom was an english teacher who was the daughter of an english > teacher's daughter. My mother was (albeit briefly) an English and French teacher, daughter of an English and debate teacher, who married an English, drama, and yearbook teacher. Mom got Latin in school. My brother and I, we just mostly watched "Speed Racer" a lot. Oh, and "Marine Boy." Anybody remember "Marine Boy"? My own peculiar twist on the school nightmare is that I'm back in high school because I didn't finish it, the first time. So I have to finish high school and then go all the way back through college. It's stressful, hateful, but it makes perfect sense to me in the dreams. Anybody remember the dreams section of Peter Straub's SHADOWLAND? "Until I wake up/And I turn back to myself..." Andy p.s. Dana, got your message, thanks a lot. But the message you refer to did in fact post. SHOWERS VERY IMPORTANT: JACK RUSSELL REQUIRES A LOCKABLE CLEAN SHOWER FACILITY WITH HOT WATER, TOWELS, ETC... THERE ARE FEMALES IN THE TOURING PARTY AND THE "PIPE IN THE CORNER" WON'T WORK!!! IF YOUR VENUE DOES NOT HAVE THESE FACILITIES, A DAY ROOM AT A LOCAL CLEAN MOTEL WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED BY THE PROMOTER, FOR THE PURPOSE OF SHOWERING AND PREPARATION FOR THE SHOW. A RUNNER WILL THEN BE REQUIRED TO SHUTTLE THE BAND TO THE ROOM, DIRECTLY AFTER SOUNDCHECK. [--from the controversial performance rider for Jack Russell's Great White (the full operating name, it would seem, of the band), as displayed by www.thesmokinggun.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > SHOWERS > > VERY IMPORTANT: JACK RUSSELL REQUIRES A LOCKABLE CLEAN SHOWER FACILITY > WITH HOT WATER, TOWELS, ETC... THERE ARE FEMALES IN THE TOURING PARTY AND > THE "PIPE IN THE CORNER" WON'T WORK!!! IF YOUR VENUE DOES NOT HAVE THESE > FACILITIES, A DAY ROOM AT A LOCAL CLEAN MOTEL WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE > PROVIDED BY THE PROMOTER, FOR THE PURPOSE OF SHOWERING AND PREPARATION FOR > THE SHOW. > > A RUNNER WILL THEN BE REQUIRED TO SHUTTLE THE BAND TO THE ROOM, DIRECTLY > AFTER SOUNDCHECK. > > [--from the controversial performance rider for Jack Russell's Great White > (the full operating name, it would seem, of the band), as displayed by > www.thesmokinggun.com ] aside from the complete lack of mention of pyrotechnics (odd, given that pretty much everything else the venue staff would need to know about, from the location of electrical drops to the required outboard audio gear, is clearly specified) i can't see why on earth this rider would be unreasonable/controversial. no booze, no green m&ms or exotic specialty items. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:51:02 +0000 From: mbowen@frontiernet.net Subject: [loud-fans] Dreams Reoccuring (was: Re: School Griping) > --- Chris Prew wrote: > >> Chris >> Who still has those dreams occasionally where he's back in school, and >> forgot to go to class all semester, and is suddenly faced with the >> final exam. Somebody should make a pill that stops those..... > > And Pete O. wrote: > >> I have that particular nightmare *all* the time. Normally I wouldn't bring this up, but it's odd that the subject of reoccuring dreams came up the day after I had my usual one, which I've never heard anyone else having. Even though I'm pretty much devoid of musical talent, I keep having dreams where, through some implausible scenario, I end up onstage with a favorite band. In the last six months, I've played guitar with the (Steve Wickham-Sharon Shannon era) Waterboys, bass with the Loud Family, and last night I volunteered to play keyboards for 10,000 Maniacs. In these dreams I have the same amount of musical ability that I have in real life, and I manage to make some not-horrible noises. The funny thing is that no one ever notices - neither the band nor the audience. MB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:08:36 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dreams Reoccuring (was: Re: School Griping) At 09:51 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, mbowen@frontiernet.net wrote: >Normally I wouldn't bring this up, but it's odd that the subject of >reoccuring dreams came up the day after I had my usual one, which I've never >heard anyone else having. Even though I'm pretty much devoid of musical >talent, I keep having dreams where, through some implausible scenario, I end >up onstage with a favorite band. In the last six months, I've played guitar >with the (Steve Wickham-Sharon Shannon era) Waterboys, bass with the Loud >Family, and last night I volunteered to play keyboards for 10,000 Maniacs. >In these dreams I have the same amount of musical ability that I have in >real life, and I manage to make some not-horrible noises. The funny thing is >that no one ever notices - neither the band nor the audience. Though I have close to zero musical talent -- haven't touched an instrument since my senior year of high school, and no matter how hard I worked, I was always tied to sheet music and never learned to play by ear -- I have dreams where I can play guitar or bass like a pro. My fingers fly over the fretboard instinctively, drawing the music out of the instrument just as I hear it in my head, never a wrong note or hesitation about where to find the next chord. Twice, I've dreamed that I *was* Mike Mills, performing onstage with R.E.M. In the second dream, which occurred c. 1998-99 (i.e., UP), Michael and Peter tried to replace me with Flea in the middle of a set! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:27:12 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Game Theory cover scans? > I'm new to the list and was wondering if anyone has cover scans for the > oop Game Theory stuff. I am looking for "Lolita Nation" in particular. > Thanks, and I look forward to reading your posts regarding Scott Miller, > LF and GT. Since nobody seems to have done so yet--welcome to the list, Danny! Where ya from? How did you get into ScottMusic? Fish or h.? Joel or Mike? Pineapple on pizza? Negro Problem? Magnetic Fields? Fountains Of Wayne? Guided By Voices? PET SOUNDS? AMERICAN BEAUTY? Depleted uranium? I think that covers everything, Andy "Remember how Tony Visconti played bass on those early Bowie albums? He was never the ablest of bass players, but his co-producer's position meant that rock'n'roll's hoariest bass cliches were transformed into giant's steps glitterstomping across the sonic landscape, inspiring Trevor Bolder to similar heights/lows on the following LPs. Well, here in the Rocket from the Tomb's loft, lack of control means the guy with the loudest instrument wins, and he who dares is always Craig Bell. Right ON!" - --Julian Cope, from his review of a Rocket From The Tomb bootleg, at http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/index.php?review_id=110 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FW: [paisley-pop] Wild Honey Night #3... ((Scott X2)) > I haven't had much time to post lately, but I must say - it's awfully > nice to be on a list where both Pet Sounds and Fountains of Wayne are > criticized and nobody cries or anything. Are you implying, ma'am, that people do cry, or would cry, over such on some other list? I'm skewed in that this is the only list I've ever been on longterm. ON the whole, I'll say, Loudfans tend towards one thing, if no other: a healthy disregard for what anyone else considers a canon. Miles once spoke of a list where people spend a week in bed if their favorite TV show gets cancelled, but...that...can't...possibly...be...the truth...can it? ...Andy... "If this was a guy seeking a young audience, he surely weren't looking very hard. For the incredible beauty of this opening piece is the manner in which it hangs in mid air, almost motionless yet light as the breeze. Imagine suspending a huge child's mobile from the ceiling of Wookey Hole caves with a drawing pin nightlight, and then measuring its movement. This is the motion of 'He Loved Him Madly' - it's a tethered and chloroformed flight of butterflies and dragonflies and fireflies, spacily and dazedly encircling the nightlight, never completely leaving their tight orbit." - --Julian Cope, from his review of Miles Davis' GET UP WITH IT, at http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/albumofthemonth/index.php?review_id=359 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:57:52 -0800 (PST) From: Stef Hurts Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Game Theory cover scans? "G. Andrew Hamlin" wrote: > Since nobody seems to have done so yet--welcome to > the list, Danny! Where ya from? How did you get > into ScottMusic? Fish or h.? Joel or Mike? > Pineapple on pizza? Negro Problem? Magnetic > Fields? Fountains Of Wayne? Guided By Voices? PET > SOUNDS? AMERICAN BEAUTY? Depleted uranium? > > I think that covers everything, You forgot "Mark S"... Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:04:01 -0800 (PST) From: Stef Hurts Subject: Re: [loud-fans] School Griping Chris Prew wrote: > Chris Who still has those dreams occasionally where > he's back in school, and forgot to go to class all > semester, and is suddenly faced with the final exam. I always have that dream when I'm procrastinating in real life. I love my subconscious. Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:56:56 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dreams Reoccuring (was: Re: School Griping) > At 09:51 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, mbowen@frontiernet.net wrote: > >Normally I wouldn't bring this up, but it's odd that the subject of > >reoccuring dreams came up the day after I had my usual one, which I've > never > >heard anyone else having. Even though I'm pretty much devoid of musical > >talent... > >In these dreams I have the same amount of musical ability that I have in > >real life, and I manage to make some not-horrible noises. The funny > thing is > >that no one ever notices - neither the band nor the audience. So you dreamed you were Linda McCartney? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 02:34:49 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question I hereby nominate "octopus" as one of those animal names whose collective is the same as its singular: fish, deer, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read somewhere that fish is the plural if you're talking about one kind of fish, but that fishes is the plural if there are different kinds, i.e. "a school of fish" but "I was surrounded by hundreds of fishes of all kinds." Not sure if this is a real rule, or if anyone actually uses it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:48:53 -0500 From: Francis J H Park Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FW: [paisley-pop] Wild Honey Night #3... ((Scott X2)) G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >I'm skewed in that this is the only list I've ever been on longterm. ON >the whole, I'll say, Loudfans tend towards one thing, if no other: a >healthy disregard for what anyone else considers a canon. > > I think this marks perhaps my tenth year on Loud-Fans (or something to that effect)...it's been through a few incarnations, but the one I remember as my first (because, in theory, you never forget your first) was the MIT reflector that Rob Poor mentioned to me back when I used to regularly read alt.music.alternative on USENET. This wasn't my first list, but definitely the one I've been on the longest. Although I was subscribed to the Dead Runners Society list first, I've been NOMAIL on that list for a few years now. Marriage and children have vastly slowed my music-listening down in the last three years - the last show I recall going to was to see Little Red Rocket in Birmingham, back in early 1999, long before I got married. Last show before that, now that I think about it, was the Loud Family in Atlanta in mid-1998. If I could've found a babysitter to help take the load off my wife, I might've chanced a trip to Chapel Hill to go see The Reputation- but the only show that I think could make me pack up and zip out on short notice might be Tommy Keene. Not even Juliana Hatfield playing nearby got me away from the house, which given my once-rabid fanboydom (now there's a neologism for you!) seems unusual given that I drove 75 miles on a work night back in 1997 to go see her in concert when I was living in Central Texas. Of course, I would have to cite every band I just mentioned, less Juliana Hatfield, as references from other people on this list...and that's why I remain a subscriber. Egad, an on-topic post. And no soliloquy about low-level radioactives in the workplace! Now returning to lurkdom... Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal - -- "Ask for my honesty and you'll have my loyalty. Ask for my loyalty and you'll have my honesty." - COL(Ret) John R. Boyd, USAF (1927-1997) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:41:29 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Lolita Nation PT. 2 Damn! Tough day at work. Need beer. Mmmmm. OK, back to the past we go. Do you get the feeling I like the past? I think my brain constantly revises history to make it all better than it was. But anyway, this is really a good record, and I'm glad to be back there for a moment or two. Nothing New - Love the lead in with the guitar hook hinted at the end of Waist and the Knees. I doubled the snare drum on this and I'm not sure if that was a Mitch-ism or a Scott-ism.I know it wasn't a Gil-ism. Who needs digital delay when you can just make your drummer play it twice? I think it works ok. The World's Easiest Job - Not only do we get the word "retard", we also get a "Goddamned"! Go Scott! Lot-o-friends helped sing on this. The drum sound was definitly NOT my idea, but I guess in context it works ok. Mike Garson (Bowie) inspired piano part by Angie Carlson. Look Away - OK...here we go.A Donnette song. You know, I think it rocks.I'm aware that some critics and fans were horrified that anyone's songs aside from Scott's,were on this record.Live,it kicked ass. I wish I hadn't done the hi-hat and cymbal ride in 16th notes because that was a bitch and at the end of the song,I was plum outta gas. Gui would always walk back to me on stage and roll his eyes when we played this one.I'm glad it's on the record. Slip - Peppy! Pretty great Gil vocals if I do say so myself! What! You can hear 'em!Some very cool keyboards going on here. The screwed up drums at the beginning is most assuredly a Scott idea. The Real Sheila - The biggest hit we never had! What a song! We did a video for this and it's pretty cool. Talk about thinking you're a rock star! The video was very Kubrick like, and I still have a nasty scar on the back of my shoulder from that shoot. (hit it on a fire extinguisher box).I believe Donny came up with the some of the very cool guitar parts. Great harmonies thatI had nothing to do with. Bunch of chords! Great performances by all of us and this may be the best GT song Scott ever put on record. Love the big-ass drum sound. Andy In Ten Years - I think we did about a million takes on this bastard! It took us FOREVER to get the feel right on this one. Mostly because of ME!. It has to have the perfect balance of being laid back, but without a feeling of dragging. I remember Mitch told me not to hit too hard. It's a pretty song that maybe goes on one verse too many. Great vocals by Scott and Donny. (Robert! I always thought it was Donnie, not Donny, but I got an e-mail from her a while back and she signed it "Donny") Side three coming up. Thanks, Gil Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:25:41 -0800 (PST) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spelling question > I read somewhere that fish is the plural if you're talking about one kind of fish, but that fishes is the plural if there are different kinds, i.e. "a school of fish" but "I was surrounded by hundreds of fishes of all kinds." Not sure if this is a real rule, or if anyone actually uses it. What happens if Fish joins Phish? Couldn't be any weirder than writing a song with Rick Astley, Andy "Nature has left this tincture in the blood, that all men would be tyrants if they could." - --Defoe, from "The Kentish Petition" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 02:52:03 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dreams Reoccuring (was: Re: School Griping) mbowen@frontiernet.net wrote: > Normally I wouldn't bring this up, but it's odd that the subject of > reoccuring dreams came up the day after I had my usual one, which I've > never heard anyone else having. Even though I'm pretty much devoid of > musical talent, I keep having dreams where, through some implausible > scenario, I end up onstage with a favorite band. In the last six > months, I've played guitar with the (Steve Wickham-Sharon Shannon era) > Waterboys, bass with the Loud Family, and last night I volunteered to > play keyboards for 10,000 Maniacs. In these dreams I have the same > amount of musical ability that I have in real life, and I manage to > make some not-horrible noises. The funny thing is that no one ever > notices - neither the band nor the audience. > MB I have this one too! Anyone have the one where you need to go to the second floor for a class (or some such) and you can't get to it? You can get to the first or third floor, but there's no access to the second floor. I end up crawling through odd hatches in the ceilings and what-not, but by the time I finally get there, whatever I needed to go to is over with and I now need to go to a different floor, which I've been on already, but now suddenly can't get back to. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #59 ******************************