From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #35 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, February 4 2003 Volume 03 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Music Biz rant(s) [delete at will] [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jef] Re: [loud-fans] Whhaaaa? [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Whhaaaa? [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:26:06 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Music Biz rant(s) [delete at will] Quoting Dana Paoli : > I said: > > > The Eminem Show sold a ton of copies, and it was heavily downloaded. > > Where's the proof that A is a result of B? As usual, there isn't any. > > And Jeff, who was probably reading in a hurry, said: Actually, I'd printed out the article, had it bound into a book, made it into a Broadway show, filmed it for a DVD, and developed a sporting event out of it - and then, using compression algorithms stolen from the CIA, I e-mailed the whole thing to everyone I know. Except you. Sorry. > The logic isn't A is a result of B, it's B does not prevent A. Not the > same > thing at all. On this point, Dana is correct. I was responding to the industry's persistent drumbeat, which is mixed so high who can hear such a subtle melody as this. > >The more the industry tries to tell me that I > > can't > > play a CD *I bought* in my car, on my computer, or make a mix CD > > with tracks > > from it, the likelier I am to *want* to steal (for real this time) > > from the > > industry. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interesting. Do you always want to steal products that don't live up to > your expectations of what they should be? I mean, that strikes me as > being a little extreme, but hey, I'm a small town boy. It is true that > I'm really annoyed by the fact that the DVDs that I buy don't project an > image onto a giant screen in my living room, just like a 70mm > projection, > and they don't sell popcorn or Junior Mints!! Next time I'll steal the > fuckers, and then the DVD people will wise up and the next thing you > know > I'll get my way!! The difference, of course, is that CDs *can* be played in one's car, one's computer, and their tracks *can* be recorded onto mix tapes. The bogus CDs the industry tries to sell as "copy-protected" (they're not CDs - not according to the redbook standard - if I'm remembering the term correctly) would be fine if they were packaged differently, sold with neon lime-green warning labels, and priced accordingly - oh, say, $5 each. It's not reasonable to expect DVDs to do things they physically cannot do; it's eminemly - uh, eminently - reasonable to expect CDs to do what they have always done. And yes, it's deeply immature and antisocial of me to want to be a thief when I'm treated like one. But my shrink doesn't sub to this list, alas. > > And of course, it's very easy to get people to pay for products they > > can get > > for free: just add value that makes them worth paying for. Again: > > people pay > > for ISPs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Jeff, have you checked AOL's stock lately? So, because one ISP is having financial difficulties, they all are? > You know, compared with other forms of entertainment, you get enormous > latitude with CDs. It's not currently very practical to make copies of > books or DVDs to enjoy anywhere you want (I know it can be done, it's > just not practical), or to send to your friends. You can't go into a > museum and take photos for later. You can't videotape a Broadway show so > your kids can watch it in the car. If you want to watch professional > sports live (baseball, football, basketball), you're limited to one or > two teams to watch in most parts of the country. Oh, I disagree. It's a lot easier to kill mosquitoes with books, and conversely, it's very difficult to use a baseball game to signal Morse code to the space invaders, while a DVD does that wonderfully. Books are pretty damned portable, and if you have a laptop with a DVD-player, they're pretty portable too. But the absurdity here is this: no one's demanding that CDs do things they're not designed to do. The industry, however, seems quite determined to make them unheard (except for one or two tracks on the CDs they wish to sell a zillion copies of), and unhearable (copy protection blah-blah) in situations that present no technical, legal, or ethical difficulties *in themselves* (car, computer, mixes) but are being limited solely to forestall the *possibility* that someone might use them in ways the industry disapproves. A closer analogy, as long as you brought up sports, was the absurd claim a couple of years back by the NBA that websites that posted scores of games were indulging in "unauthorized broadcasting." The only reason the league tried to limit such reporting (unlike every other kind of reporting) was, presumably, to hold onto an absurd notion of intellectual property rights extending even to the realm of information. It's as if, after yr Broadway show or trip to the museum, some usher or guard waved a wand like in MIB that caused you to forget what you've seen, lest you tell someone else and "bootleg" the experience for them. > You'd think the record > companies were killing babies or something. This is a common misperception. They don't actually kill them; instead, they suck out the babies' blood and toss the li'l tykes from their office windows. *They* don't kill babies; gravity does. I mean, c'mon: the stupid babies lack the foresight to have developed the ability to replenish their own damned blood supply - or wings, which are quite useful? I mean, god, what were they thinking? > Oh, no, I'm just mad > because > I can't play my 3 Doors Down CD on my vacuum cleaner. That's 'cause you've got one of those archaic, non- CD-compatible vacuum cleaners. Those really suck. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:20:23 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Whhaaaa? Roger Winston wrote: > > I certainly didn't get it, and it doesn't appear in the archives, so I > guess you were Black Holed. Oh man. That must be why I feel so worn out lately. All my energy is being sucked out by a black hole. Jen - -- You can't pull yourself up by the bootstraps if you don't know where your bootstraps are. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:26:30 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Whhaaaa? Roger Winston wrote: > > That said, I agree that space travel is a dangerous business and there are > bound to be some causalities when you push the borders of the frontier, and > that's no reason to stop trying. I wept for the astronauts and their > families, but I fear what happens next. I hold out this note of optimism- some of the shows I've seen the past two days on the shuttle disasters and the history of the space program point to the fact that the government, with Reagan being one to put extra pressure on the shuttle program, has pushed NASA to up its number of missions and stop scrapping so many launches, to push ahead and be more aggressive about its schedule, at the expense of certain degrees of safety. While this may not have factored in this particular disaster, I think it's going to get both the government and the space program to take another look at the risks and perhaps be a bit more careful in the future. At least I hope so. Jen - -- You can't pull yourself up by the bootstraps if you don't know where your bootstraps are. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #35 ******************************