From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #20 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, January 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Joe Harrington entertained twice by our Scott [Tim_Pintsc] [loud-fans] New Copy Protection [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] New Copy Protection [steve ] [loud-fans] apologies [Jack Lippold ] Re: [loud-fans] apologies [Carolyn Dorsey ] [loud-fans] Fwd: afl this thursday at rock soup [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Cheap Trick and Dishwalla show last night.. [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] New Copy Protection [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] apologies [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] apologies [Gil Ray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:33:10 -0600 (CST) From: Tim_Pintsch Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Joe Harrington entertained twice by our Scott I meant no negative conotations to any of the folks reading the e-mail, i was referring to Harrington. I meant no ill to any of you. Sorry, tim. On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/20/2003 8:43:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mofohawk@enteract.com writes: > > > > I have heard the term albs. But certainly not by overeducated white boys. > > > > > > I have heard the term albs. But certainly not by overeducated white boys. > > > Hi, > Actually it was Michael Bowen who said he'd never heard of 'albs.' But I > haven't either and just didn't say it. Sounds more like he's (Harrington) > refering to his abdomen then a record.;-) > Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:00:45 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] New Copy Protection I've been hearing a little bit recently about a new type of copy protection where the CDs are encoded with two sessions. One session is the standard CD tracks, playable in any CD player but NOT accessibile to the computer. The other session is available to computers, but contains MP3 files and an MP3 player. This is starting to seem like a reasonable compromise to me, except that apparently the MP3 are piss-poor quality. Has anyone here stumbled on this kind of thing yet? Also, I recently queried the list about Kathleen Edwards on NPR. I can now say that I really like the album, even more than I expected. The songwriting isn't as varied as Sarah Harmer, but it all seems consistent with Harmer's style and quality. - --Michael NP The Delgados HATE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:47:06 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Joe Harrington entertained twice by our Scott In a message dated 1/21/03 1:33:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, mofohawk@enteract.com writes: > I meant no negative conotations to any of the folks reading the e-mail, i > was referring to Harrington. I meant no ill to any of you. > > Sorry, > > tim. > I wasn't offended at all. I knew you were refering to Harrington. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:40:38 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Copy Protection On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 07:00 PM, Michael Mitton wrote: > Has anyone here stumbled on this kind of thing yet? If this is the same thing I heard about, it pre-supposes next year's Mickey Mouse-approved "Palladium" FritzPC's, which I will never allow within 1000 yards of my home or office. If anything is going to help establish alternate PC hardware and software platforms, this will be it. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:48:44 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Copy Protection On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 06:00 PM, Michael Mitton wrote: > I've been hearing a little bit recently about a new type of copy > protection where the CDs are encoded with two sessions. One session is > the standard CD tracks, playable in any CD player but NOT accessibile > to > the computer. The other session is available to computers, but > contains > MP3 files and an MP3 player. This is starting to seem like a > reasonable > compromise to me, except that apparently the MP3 are piss-poor quality. Are they starting with major sellers first? Microsoft floated an idea like this a couple of years ago. Of course, the player/format was supposed to be Windows Media, thus trying to kill off the open MP3 standard. - - Steve __________ People have a stereotype about what animation is, and don't recognize the possibilities. Hayao Miyazaki's "Spirited Away" had the most remarkable command of narrative I've seen in a very, very long time. This is just the best-told movie story of the year, enormously inventive and satisfying and meticulous. To me, it completely revivifies the value of real narrative in a movie. - Scott Rudin, producer of "The Hours" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:23:07 -0600 From: Jack Lippold Subject: [loud-fans] apologies Sorry to cause such a stir with that Harrington link. I initially was so thrilled to see such prominent praise for Scott's music, I whisked off the link to the list...THEN I read the article. I must say that Harrington's intense praise of Scott's music coupled with his annoying banter and clueless sensibilities certainly left me with mixed feelings. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:06:43 -0500 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] apologies on 1/21/03 10:23 PM, Jack Lippold at jacklip@mindspring.com wrote: > Sorry to cause such a stir with that Harrington link. > I initially was so thrilled to see such prominent praise for Scott's music, > I whisked off the link to the list...THEN I read the article. > I must say that Harrington's intense praise of Scott's music coupled with > his annoying banter and clueless sensibilities certainly left me with mixed > feelings. Wasn't Harrington the guy who wrote that odd review of Days for Days a few years ago? It was in the NY Press. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:36:17 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: afl this thursday at rock soup Forwarded from Alison Faith Levy, who released Joe S. Harrington's favorite "alb" of 2000. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: afl this thursday at rock soup Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:12:35 EST From: GRUMBELINA@aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; hi folks - just a small reminder that this thursday, jan 23, i will be playing a real piano and singing at rock soup cafe. also performing will be john moremen and mike levy, two of my favorite songwriters. come hear some luscious pop, eat some warm biscuits, and drink a pint. music starts around 7:00. rock soup is at 3299 mission street, at 29th. hope to see you there! love, alison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] release date history? Does anyone know how we came to have most new releases on Tuesdays here (and Mondays in England, if I remember correctly)? How long has it been like that? Was it started by distributors or by the labels? Were release dates a big deal before they were always Tuesday, or was it more like new records came out during a particular week, whenever your store got it? I hope I'm not showing my youth by asking; it's been all-Tuesday for as long as I can remember (i.e. since 1989, when I started watching 120 Minutes on MTV and they occasionally listed selected items from that week's delivery slate). a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:08:29 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Cheap Trick and Dishwalla show last night.. ...and man, am I tired. You know the saying, If you can't say anything nice... Stacey took me to see Cheap Trick last night (bless her little heart!), and I am so overwhelmed with bad vibes I can't keep it all to myself. I will thank you in advance for sharing my burden. I think I saw the absolutely WORST band I have ever seen. I will refer to them as Dishwater instead of Dishhhw..allaa...I can't even touch the keys again to spell out their real name. Why they got the opening slot for rock gods Cheap Trick I'll never know. At first I thought if I just adjusted my earplugs to let more sonic frequencies in, it would help. It didn't. I looked around the hall to see if more people were hating them as much as I, but heads were bobbing, air guitars were being played, and there was plenty of applause and hootin' for them. What is the deal?! (there was a pretty funny thing going on when the BIGGEST man in the world waded into the crowd for HIS spot to stand for the evening. People laughed. What was he to do?. No one could possibly see if they were behind him, so a magical....cleared path formed behind him that went all the way to the back of the hall. Damn, he was tall!) Anyway, this Dishwater band stood up on stage and just sucked as hard as any band could suck. Jock-Rock-With-Tiny-Cocks. The most tuneless glob of music I've ever heard. Eddie Vedder style "vocals" with the oh- so- popular crunchy anthem type stuff going on in the background. A big beefy guitarist amazed me by his awfulness and creepy hair. The drummer had some energy, and they had a keyboard player that had real analog synths, but any hope for redemption was soon dashed when: 1.)Could not hear him, and 2.)His hair was Kenny G with an edge. Sorta. Thankfully their set was short. I will never buy any of their albs. Cheap Trick was great. Gil Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:24:06 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] apologies At Tuesday 1/21/2003 09:23 PM -0600, Jack Lippold wrote: >Sorry to cause such a stir with that Harrington link. >I initially was so thrilled to see such prominent praise for Scott's >music, I whisked off the link to the list...THEN I read the article. >I must say that Harrington's intense praise of Scott's music coupled with >his annoying banter and clueless sensibilities certainly left me with >mixed feelings. Get over it, people. So Harrington likes Scott's music for all the "wrong" reasons or whatever. So he comes off as a cock-rock jerk or whatever. So what. He likes Scott's music and he wrote about it very enthusiastically. He's spreading the word. That's a good thing, even if he's spreading it to the "wrong" people or giving the wrong impression. I've never heard of the guy before this, but kudos to him. Anybody who would put KATY LIED as #1 has a lot of balls and I'll listen to what he has to say. We don't own Scott. Our opinions of him and his music aren't necessarily the right ones. We can't make only the sweet and politically correct critics like his music. I swear to Rael, sometimes I'm frickin' embarrassed to be here among the Elite. Jack, thanks for posting the link. It made my day. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:35:24 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Copy Protection At Tuesday 1/21/2003 07:00 PM -0500, Michael Mitton wrote: >Also, I recently queried the list about Kathleen Edwards on NPR. I can >now say that I really like the album, even more than I expected. The >songwriting isn't as varied as Sarah Harmer, but it all seems consistent >with Harmer's style and quality. I heard a song from the Kathleen Edwards album on the radio the other day (the DJ who played it was, strangely enough, my best friend's ex-girlfriend). I liked it a lot. At first I thought it was Neil Young or Built To Spill or someone like that, but then I started thinking "Hey, maybe this is a female singer..." and was surprised when she was identified. I'm going to have to check out that album. I've never heard Sarah Harmer... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 01:22:22 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] apologies On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > Get over it, people. So Harrington likes Scott's music for all the > "wrong" reasons or whatever. So he comes off as a cock-rock jerk or > whatever. So what. So what? So homophobia is frickin' lame, that's what. When someone actually *writes* that one record is worse than another because Michael Stipe dates men and Scott doesn't, I think he's doing a disservice that more than outweighs the value of popularizing good (but out-of-print) music. And, more to the point, he's insulting me and people I care about... I'm not saying you have to care, or to accord these elements of Harrington's writing the same relative weights -- you clearly don't -- but don't get indignant that anyone else does. You talk about "political correctness" as though someone disliking anti-gay and anti-bi comments is less justifiable than disliking a particular album! a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] apologies - --- Roger Winston wrote: > > Jack, thanks for posting the link. It made my day. Mine too! Gil Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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