From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #15 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, January 17 2003 Volume 03 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Strawberry Smell Forever (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] Townshend ["Phil Gerrard" ] [loud-fans] Golden Palominos ["Vallor" ] [loud-fans] glenn puts on his swami hat [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Townshend Folks - From today's 'Independent': >Townshend is reported to have said last weekend, >"I haven't been charged with anything. But I think I'm >fucked.'' Let's not speculate too much, OK? Townshend's not somebody on whom anybody would rely to get a story straight, but this seems to me say it all. Sorry I haven't posted much, for many reasons, but I've been reading with great interest. peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:00:39 -0500 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Golden Palominos > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:29:34 -0800 > From: "Michael Zwirn" > Subject: [loud-fans] Golden Palominos > > Is there any kind of up-to-date compilation available for the Golden > Palominos? I somewhat carelessly bought Thundering Herd, which is a > 2-discer, only to find that it only compiles stuff from around 1985-1991. > I'm not so excited by the prospect of tracking down all the individual > albums, as they're by design inconsistent in style and executive. But a > history-spanning comp would be great. Just out... Title: Run Pony Run-An Essential Collection Artist: Golden Palominos http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=VSA12052 1 Boy (go) 2 The Animal Speaks 3 Only One Party 4 Shattered Image 5 Over 6 (something Else Is) Working Harder 7 Faithless Heart 8 Clean Plate 9 Omaha 10 (kind Of) True 11 Wild River 12 Darklands 13 I've Been The One 14 Brides Of Jesus 15 Under The Cap - - D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:19:09 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] glenn puts on his swami hat (Re http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0416.html) A couple of questions, though: how is it again that musicians get paid? And what's the first "5" for in the column title? More importantly, and perhaps depressingly: I kind of like the physical objectness of, well, physical objects like CDs. If I had $500 of discretionary spending, and a Mac, I *might* consider buying an iPod, for the reasons glenn mentions early in his piece. But the idea that music would become completely immaterial (except for its location in whatever storage device/player) seems weird to me. For one thing, despite the convenience in some situations of having practically infinite selection at one's fingertips, too much stuff at hand at once can be a bit confusing, and harder to get to know. For example, I have a couple of CDs encoded solely with MP3 content. Right now, they're a pain to play, because if I do anything else on my computer, they get the digital stutters, but my DVD player claims to be able to play MP3-encoded CDs (I hook it up tomorrow), so that problem should be alleviated. But when I do play those CDs, the problem I have is that it's very hard for me to remember what's what. If there are 100 new songs on one physical item, how much more difficult is it when that number increases to a limit placed only by one's ability to pay for it? (Hell, I have trouble with CDs full of only 25 new songs! But then, glenn, that's one thing that's always amazed me about your column: the amount of music you're able to get your head around, and verbalize about, within such confined durations.) Also, despite the potential for polymodality readable in one machine, so that artwork, video, etc., can be accessed from the same device, that fact would tie those images to hardware in a way that's unappealing in exactly the way reading a book online is unappealing compared to carrying around a paperback. I guess I just like physical stuff. Or maybe I'm just a closet Luddite, I dunno. Thoughts? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:18:05 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Golden Palominos At 8:00 PM -0500 1/16/03, Vallor wrote: > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:29:34 -0800 > > From: "Michael Zwirn" > > Subject: [loud-fans] Golden Palominos > > > > Is there any kind of up-to-date compilation available for the Golden > > Palominos? I somewhat carelessly bought Thundering Herd, which is a > > 2-discer, only to find that it only compiles stuff from around 1985-1991. > > I'm not so excited by the prospect of tracking down all the individual > > albums, as they're by design inconsistent in style and executive. But a > > history-spanning comp would be great. > >Just out... > >Title: Run Pony Run-An Essential Collection >Artist: Golden Palominos > >http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=VSA12052 > >1 Boy (go) >2 The Animal Speaks >3 Only One Party >4 Shattered Image >5 Over >6 (something Else Is) Working Harder >7 Faithless Heart >8 Clean Plate >9 Omaha >10 (kind Of) True >11 Wild River >12 Darklands >13 I've Been The One >14 Brides Of Jesus >15 Under The Cap > Interesting that 4 out of 15 tracks are from BLAST OF SILENCE...which, of course, is nowhere near where they are now! Matt Thought shall be the harder, heart the keener, courage the greater, as our might lessens. The Battle of Maldon. Tr. R.K. Gordon (1926) from Anglo-Saxon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:21:18 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] glenn puts on his swami hat > how is it again that musicians get paid? I think the *idea* is the same basic one we have now with BMI and ASCAP: licensees pay blanket fees to the rights brokers, who distribute the money to the content providers in proportion to their content's usage. In a streaming-media world, usage could actually be tracked accurately (which isn't even vaguely true with song-publishing at the moment). Frankly, from an implementation standpoint this part seems like it will be pretty easy once the overall distribution network is in place. How do independent musicians get their music onto the network, that's the first question. But if the major labels try to be gatekeepers, people like MP3.com will open other gates. How *much* will independent musicians get paid? Not much. As I said in the piece, I think they'll be no worse off than they are now, and *maybe* a little better. Hard to guess at the actual economics without a lot more information than I have. > And what's the first "5" for in the column title? The title is Days:Hours:Minutes:Seconds of music on the iPod, as mentioned a couple times later. > I kind of like the physical objectness of, well, physical objects like > CDs. Yes, that's one of the things I said the last time I pondered this topic (http://www.furia.com/misc/Napster.html). The iPod experience is opening my mind a little. Virtualization has big advantages that are easy to undervalue until you start playing with them yourself. I *will* really miss record stores, if I'm right and there's eventually no role left for them. But I suspect we'll find new ways for them to participate in the process. Kids have to hang out somewhere. It may help that I've seen software go through this same metamorphosis during my professional career, from a thing sold in stores in big boxes with hardbound manuals and quick-reference cards and disks and accessories, to files you just download and then forget how you got them. Yes, the experience is poorer in some ways, but we compensate. > too much stuff at hand at once can be a bit confusing Playlists. Same principle as your Bookmark list intermediating between you and the infinite web. iTunes has a bunch of interesting automatic playlists, too, and then you get into sharing playlists with other people. I think this can be handled. > reading a book online is unappealing compared to carrying around a > paperback. Of course, the hardback would be much nicer, still, except the paperback is more portable. I'm pretty confident that the experience-quality of portable devices will reach the point where they're quite pleasant, even if you'll still want to go back and watch the video "for real" on your big screen at home. Even if I'm right about everything, though, which is vanishingly unlikely, you've got time. I predict that the process of you coming around will go faster than the process of virtualization. And I think I should stop predicting things now. glenn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #15 ******************************