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loud-fans-digest        Friday, January 3 2003        Volume 03 : Number 001



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  [loud-fans] orangs peels live?                        ["CJ" <cj@mn.rr.com>]
  [loud-fans] Best of 2002                 [glenn mcdonald <glenn@furia.com>]
  [loud-fans] actual Loud family content (ns)  [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <j]
  Re: [loud-fans] orangs peels live?  [Stewart Mason <flamingo@theworld.com>]
  [loud-fans] pardon me while I complain about Greil Marcus  [Aaron Mandel <]
  Re: [loud-fans] squeak, squeak...   [Aaron Mandel <aaron@eecs.harvard.edu>]
  Re: [loud-fans] squeak, squeak...      ["Roger Winston" <rwinston@tde.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] orangs peels live?  ["Joseph M. Mallon" <jmmallon@joescafe]
  Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  ["Joseph M. Mallon" <jmm]
  Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  [Chris Prew <chris@sombe]
  Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  ["Joseph M. Mallon" <jmm]
  RE: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  ["Barnes, David" <BARNES]
  Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  [Cyndy Patrick <cyndyp@e]
  [loud-fans] Re: orangs peels live?  [Steve Holtebeck <smholt@ix.netcom.com]
  Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them     [dana-boy@juno.com]
  Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  ["glenn mcdonald"]
  Re:Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  [dana-boy@juno]
  Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  ["Joseph M. Mallo]
  Re:Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them  [dana-boy@juno]
  [loud-fans] yuji oniki?                          [me@justanotherfuckin.com]
  [loud-fans] sf area event, hidden belle de gama content  [me@justanotherfu]
  [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)         [Dana Paoli <dana-boy@juno.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)   [Dave Walker <dwalker@freeke.org>]
  Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)                     [LeftyZ@aol.com]
  [loud-fans] Happy New Year!                   [Gil Ray <ggilray@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!  [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <jenor@uwm.edu]
  Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)   [glenn mcdonald <glenn@furia.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] squeak, squeak...   [jenny grover <sleeveless@citynet.net>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Re: orangs peels live?                ["CJ" <cj@mn.rr.com>]
  [loud-fans] please say it won't TALK too              [dmw <dmw@radix.net>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!          [Roger Winston <rwinston@tde.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)   [Roger Winston <rwinston@tde.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)   [Dave Walker <dwalker@freeke.org>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!               [Gil Ray <ggilray@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!               [Gil Ray <ggilray@yahoo.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)  ["Joseph M. Mallon" <jmmallon@joes]

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:21:37 -0600
From: "CJ" <cj@mn.rr.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] orangs peels live?

I'm guessing that this is mostly directed toward the SF contingent:

The Orange Peels are playing here in Mpls tomorrow night and there's a
decent chance that, with a little effort, I could go. What are the chances
of seeing a good show? (Though nothing will ever be worse than driving 3.5
hours to see the Apples in Stereo really suck...) I glanced through the
archives and I see that there are some fans around here (and a big fan named
Mark who isn't found in these parts anymore).

Helping the decision: Delirium Tremens on tap.

Thanks,
CJ

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:35:50 -0500
From: glenn mcdonald <glenn@furia.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] Best of 2002

The short version:

1. Tori Amos: Scarlet's Walk
2. Tsukiko Amano: Sharon Stones / Meg & Lion
3. Low: Trust
4. Richard Buckner: Impasse
5. Idlewild: The Remote Part
6. Glay: Unity Roots & Family, Away
7. (tie) Stretch Princess: Fun With Humans
7. (tie) the brilliant green: The Winter Album
8. Frou Frou: Details
9. (tie) Nightwish: Century Child
9. (tie) Shania Twain: Up! (Red & Green)
10. Interpol: Turn On the Bright Lights

The long version:

http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0414.html


glenn

PS: http://www.furia.com/songs/Character.html

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Date: Thu,  2 Jan 2003 07:08:19 -0600
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <jenor@uwm.edu>
Subject: [loud-fans] actual Loud family content (ns)

A brief review of a documentary on Lance Loud's last days:
http://www.jsonline.com/enter/tvradio/jan03/107425.asp

In unrelated news, my brother-in-law included the latest Apples in Stereo
CD in his Christmas gifts to me. I like it pretty well, and think the
Apples look awfully cute making those snarly faces - but Stereolab would
like its artwork back, please.

..Jeff

J e f f r e y   N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
:: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach"
:: --William Gass

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:11:06 -0500
From: Stewart Mason <flamingo@theworld.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] orangs peels live?

At 02:21 AM 1/2/2003 -0600, CJ wrote:
>I'm guessing that this is mostly directed toward the SF contingent:
>
>The Orange Peels are playing here in Mpls tomorrow night and there's a
>decent chance that, with a little effort, I could go. What are the chances
>of seeing a good show? (Though nothing will ever be worse than driving 3.5
>hours to see the Apples in Stereo really suck...) 

I liked them fine, although not as much as the opening act, Tender Trap
(the current incarnation of Amelia Fletcher and Peter Momtchiloff, formerly
Talulah Gosh/Heavenly/Marine Research/etc.), and they're certainly better
live than the Apples in Stereo.

S

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:28:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Aaron Mandel <aaron@eecs.harvard.edu>
Subject: [loud-fans] pardon me while I complain about Greil Marcus

I had to read his blurb on New Order's box set

   http://www.salon.com/ent/col/marc/2003/01/02/83/index.html

three times to figure out what he actually thought about the three New
Order songs he mentions. It's not that it's ambiguous as written, just
that it's so awkwardly phrased as to make one lose the thread. Feh.

a

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:58:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Aaron Mandel <aaron@eecs.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] squeak, squeak...

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote:

> Speaking of which: Aaron, how are the results going so far?

Well, few people have voted, which is fine. It's only January 2.

      http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf02/

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:30 -0700
From: "Roger Winston" <rwinston@tde.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] squeak, squeak...

Aaron Mandel on 1/2/2003 5:58:55 AM wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote:
> 
> > Speaking of which: Aaron, how are the results going so far?
> 
> Well, few people have voted, which is fine. It's only January 2.
> 
>       http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf02/

It will be awhile before I get around to this.  I think I'm just about ready to vote on the 2001 releases.  Is that poll still open?

Latre.   --Rog

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:06:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joseph M. Mallon" <jmmallon@joescafe.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] orangs peels live?

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, CJ wrote:
> The Orange Peels are playing here in Mpls tomorrow night and there's a
> decent chance that, with a little effort, I could go. What are the chances
> of seeing a good show?

Pretty good, although I'm not sure who's in the Orange Peels besides Allen
& Mrs. Clapp.

Joe Mallon
jmmallon@joescafe.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:56:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joseph M. Mallon" <jmmallon@joescafe.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote:

> iPods rock.

Yes.  Yes, they do.  Why?  2028 songs (most @ 128 Kb/s) so far w/ 10.4 GB
left.

Joe Mallon
jmmallon@joescafe.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:14:59 -0600
From: Chris Prew <chris@sombertown.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

>> iPods rock.
>
> Yes.  Yes, they do.  Why?  2028 songs (most @ 128 Kb/s) so far w/ 10.4 
> GB
> left.
>
>
I'm thinking about taking the plunge to a large capacity MP3 player.   
Do ipods work well under active conditions (jogging, biking, etc). I've 
heard some hard disk based players have problems with movement 
(specifically Archos players) but that the ipod performs well.

True? False?   Any votes for the much-cheaper Archos player?

Chris
Still operating under the delusion that he will some day begin 
exercising.

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:40:56 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joseph M. Mallon" <jmmallon@joescafe.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Chris Prew wrote:
> I'm thinking about taking the plunge to a large capacity MP3 player.   
> Do ipods work well under active conditions (jogging, biking, etc). I've 
> heard some hard disk based players have problems with movement 
> (specifically Archos players) but that the ipod performs well.

The iPod is *supposed* to do well in jiggly situations, as it has a 32MB
cache for skip protection.  Not surprisingly, I have not tested this
supposition.

Joe Mallon
jmmallon@joescafe.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:44:17 -0800 
From: "Barnes, David" <BARNESD@fhlbsf.com>
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

My iPod is only used when I'm in motion and it's been able to handle
everything from stuff at the gym to running after/for the bus.  I had a
friend of mine (sceptical person) try and make it skip and it never happened
so jogging and biking is just fine.  Plus the size is just so perfect, the
file transfer speed is blinding, at least from the Mac side...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chris Prew [SMTP:chris@sombertown.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:15 AM
> To:	loud-fans@smoe.org
> Subject:	Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them
> 
> >> iPods rock.
> >
> > Yes.  Yes, they do.  Why?  2028 songs (most @ 128 Kb/s) so far w/ 10.4 
> > GB
> > left.
> >
> >
> I'm thinking about taking the plunge to a large capacity MP3 player.   
> Do ipods work well under active conditions (jogging, biking, etc). I've 
> heard some hard disk based players have problems with movement 
> (specifically Archos players) but that the ipod performs well.
> 
> True? False?   Any votes for the much-cheaper Archos player?
> 
> Chris
> Still operating under the delusion that he will some day begin 
> exercising.

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:20:43 -0400
From: Cyndy Patrick <cyndyp@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

Chris Prew wrote:

>>  Do ipods work well under active conditions (jogging, biking, etc). 
>> I've heard some hard disk based players have problems with movement 
>> (specifically Archos players) but that the ipod performs well.
>
My iPod has been able to withstand 25-minute-long stretches of *very* 
energetic rope jumping, (I think the jostle-quotient is higher for rope 
jumping than for running) as well as the occasional drop to the ground, 
and has never missed a beat.

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:38:16 -0800
From: Steve Holtebeck <smholt@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] Re: orangs peels live?

> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, CJ wrote:
> > The Orange Peels are playing here in Mpls tomorrow night and there's a
> > decent chance that, with a little effort, I could go. What are the chances
> > of seeing a good show?
> 
> Pretty good, although I'm not sure who's in the Orange Peels besides 
> Allen & Mrs. Clapp.

If it's those two guys from the Ocean Blue who were backing up Allen
Clapp on his solo tour, then CJ's chances of seeing a good show are less
than they'd be if the erstwhile *real* Orange Peels (Larry, John, and
Bob)
were still playing with Allen and Jill.

- -Steve

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:47:04 GMT
From: dana-boy@juno.com
Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

> I'm thinking about taking the plunge to a large capacity MP3 player.   
> Do ipods work well under active conditions (jogging, biking, etc). I've 
> heard some hard disk based players have problems with movement 
> (specifically Archos players) but that the ipod performs well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've jiggled my iPod extensively, and it never skips.  I think that on the packaging it says "20 minutes (yes "minutes") shock protection."

[Jeff, that "jiggled my iPod" is my New Year's present to you.]

On the PC side, it also downloads blindingly fast (I installed a Firewire card for $35).  The PC software isn't the greatest, but I only use it for adding/removing songs from the iPod.

The only problem not yet mentioned is so alarming that I'm fairly sure that Apple will have to address it:  you can't replace the battery, it doesn't take an AC adaptor, and it can't be run off of regular batteries (minidiscs, for example, can use AA's in addition to the rechargeable).  This means that in 1-3 years there are going to be a lot of unhappy iPod owners unless Apple figure something out.

I would really love to be corrected regarding the above paragraph.

- --dana








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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:01:50 -0500
From: "glenn mcdonald" <glenn@furia.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

> it doesn't take an AC adaptor

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but mine certainly came with an AC
adaptor (a cute one with fold-in prongs, even). In fact, I bought a second AC
adaptor for it, which I keep at work, so I just plop the thing down on my
desk, snap in the audio and power lines, and then try to figure out how to
listen to 4.8 days worth of music during the 3-4 hours of viable listening
time in my work day...

glenn

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:14:24 GMT
From: dana-boy@juno.com
Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

Re:  iPod AC Adaptor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ooh, glenn may be right (in fact he probably is).  I was under the impression that the adaptor thingy was only for recharging.  That helps a bit, but still leaves me with a problem at some date in the future unless Apple does something.

- --dana, hoping for even more corrections





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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:19:21 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joseph M. Mallon" <jmmallon@joescafe.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, glenn mcdonald wrote:
> Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but mine certainly came with an AC
> adaptor (a cute one with fold-in prongs, even). In fact, I bought a second AC
> adaptor for it, which I keep at work, so I just plop the thing down on my
> desk, snap in the audio and power lines, and then try to figure out how to
> listen to 4.8 days worth of music during the 3-4 hours of viable listening
> time in my work day...

If you decide not to buy an extra adapter, I've found that I can play my
iPod all day without needing to recharge.  I've used it for about 3-4
hours so far, and it's still @ 4 clicks.

I wish there were some way to fiddle with its shuffle play to insert more
randomness (time * time * process ID?).

Joe Mallon
jmmallon@joescafe.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:23:09 GMT
From: dana-boy@juno.com
Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] iPods, and things to put on them

more ac adaptor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In fact, now that I think of it, here's the question:  when you use the ac adaptor are you bypassing the rechargeable battery entirely?  If you don't, then does such use "drain" the rechargeable, which can only be recharged a certain number of times?  That's the part that worries me:  if I use it every day at work, and it's only rated for 100 or so full discharges, what does that mean w/regards to battery life?

- --dana




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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:56:03 -0800 (PST)
From: me@justanotherfuckin.com
Subject: [loud-fans] yuji oniki?

so, i know he had a baby (or his wife did) a while
back, but what happened to him since then?  i guess he
played in october, but that was the exception - i think
it's the only appearance since maybe march or so, maybe
before.  anyone know anything?  is he working on an
album?  

brianna

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:08:10 -0800 (PST)
From: me@justanotherfuckin.com
Subject: [loud-fans] sf area event, hidden belle de gama content

i think i got most of you locals, but in case i missed
anyone, here's the low-down:

There's a new gallery at 810 Main Street in Martinez,
and they've taken in some of my work. The Grand Opening
is Friday, January 10 from 5-7pm, and I am one of the
three featured artists. More likely than not, the
celebrating will be continued at my house (5 blocks
away) afterwards. That address is 825 Lafayette Street,
Martinez, CA. If you'd like an official invite, send me
your snail mail address and I'll send one out. This is
a free wine-and-cheese type event, and it's certainly
not formal.

Six of my paintings are currently hanging at the Shaky
Hand:
Howl - America - Garden Abstract - Untitled - Diary -
Alice
Some of these are online at http://briannabradley.com

Sorry about the short notice.  They just finalized this
the other day.

brianna

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:32:41 -0500
From: Dana Paoli <dana-boy@juno.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)

This appears to be all over the bulletin boards devoted to such things,
so it's probably not worth getting into a longer discussion here. 
Anyway, I did some googling after work today, and the upshot is that --
as far as I can tell -- the battery thing is kind of a problem.  Apple
will do it, but it appears to be ridiculously expensive (if the sites I'm
reading aren't full of bs, Apple basically gives you $50 off of a new
iPod).  This is from epinions:

* You can not replace the battery by yourself. Estimates are that even
under very heavy use, the battery should last about 3 years, and perhaps
as much as 7-9 if you don't use it as often, but I can't see throwing out
this expensive player just because the battery dies. Replacement of the
battery by an Apple certified technician could get expensive. Perhaps
someone will eventually make a third party battery with instructions on
how to replace it yourself. 

It's not really *that*  horrible a thing (in a year or two, they'll
probably be able to fit my entire CD collection inside of my brain and
the iPod will be totally obsolete) but it's still a little weird to
realize that the clock is ticking.  Also, I was planning on using mine at
work, where I have background music on about 8 hours a day.  At that
rate, it seems possible that it might run out in a year or so.  

I did read that iPod batteries don't have the memory problem that some
rechargeables have, so at least that's not a worry.  Anyway, a google
search will turn up tons on this topic.

- --dana

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:15:24 -0500
From: Dave Walker <dwalker@freeke.org>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)

On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 08:32  PM, Dana Paoli wrote:

> Perhaps someone will eventually make a third party
> battery with instructions on
> how to replace it yourself.

There are a _lot_ of iPods out there.  My feeling is that
when this starts to become an issue (a year or two from
now, maybe) there will be a booming, competitive
business in aftermarket battery upgrades.

   -d.w.

np: Kit Clayton

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:12:06 EST
From: LeftyZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)

In a message dated 1/2/03 5:34:17 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes:

<< * You can not replace the battery by yourself. Estimates are that even
under very heavy use, the battery should last about 3 years, and perhaps
as much as 7-9 if you don't use it as often, but I can't see throwing out
this expensive player just because the battery dies. Replacement of the
battery by an Apple certified technician could get expensive. Perhaps
someone will eventually make a third party battery with instructions on
how to replace it yourself.  >>

Since I use mine in the car almost exclusively, IF the thing continues to 
work with my 12 volt power supply even after the battery eats it, I might not 
squawk TOO loud.

I sure hope the death of the battery does not mean the unit is completely 
unusable.

Left

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:02:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Gil Ray <ggilray@yahoo.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!

Howdy folks!
 Long time no post so here's a  little year end wrap
up thingy that I hope to finish before the Sharks
hockey game is on...
 I am LOVING the new Negro Problem disc! So far I'm
thinking these cuts are amazing: Father Popcorn,
Watering Hole, Is This The Single and Astro Sister.I
can
definitely live without the Sabastian Cabot number,
but that's about the only one I hate.
 Watering Hole is written by Heidi
(Mmmmm....Heidi...), and this makes me wish for a solo
album by her. Just out right damn beautiful, that
song.
 It took a little longer than I wanted but the Flaming
Lips last one eventually grabbed my heart and made it
happy. Did anyone see their Conan appearance? The
dudes voice was shot but what a production! Real
showbiz stuff and I think that's a good thing.
 Speaking of showbiz, the Soundtrack of Our Lives show
that I saw with Joe and Sue blew me away also. Quite a
spectacle with posturing guitar players and a drummer
that not only twirls his sticks, but plays a kit with
double kick drums! Yes!
 Been rediscovering white-boy blues (mostly UK) of
late and am digging John Mayall,Free,Taste,Blodwyn
Pig, even Canned Heat (not UK but white boy blues
none-the-less). There is some stunning guitar stuff
going on here, and I can't really explain the sudden
interest, but it is there. Big time.
 A few resolutions that I'm sure to ignore by Jan.
15th, but here goes:
1.watch less Cops, more hockey
2.try to watch without falling asleep, dvds that I
insist on collecting by the hundreds.
3.drink less beer, but more wine
4.read more science fiction, but stick to 50's simple
stuff. Ignore all sci-fi that has parallel universes.
Too many names to keep up with. Also, no stories with
characters with names I cannot pronounce.
5.cook my wife dinner, at least once. It is disgusting
that I come home from work and sit and drink beer and
watch tv and somehow, magically, not only does dinner
appear when she gets home from work, but laundry gets
done too. I am a pig no more!
6. be the asshole my boss wants me to be.
7.accept the fact that the reason I bought My So
Called Life box set is probably not a noble one.
8.call Scott and ask how he's doing being a dad and
all that.
9.buy a bad toupee and no matter what, wear it one day
a month, all day.
10.get a tatoo
That's it,we'll see.
Happy New Years everyone, I truly hope for world
peace.And not just for the benefit of my ever
shrinking 401K.
Peace,
Gil
PS! Jenny! By the way I loved the Clint whats-his name
interview. This is exactly the kind of stuff I like
reading about!
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Date: Thu,  2 Jan 2003 22:10:40 -0600
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <jenor@uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!

Quoting Gil Ray <ggilray@yahoo.com>:

>  I am LOVING the new Negro Problem disc! So far I'm
> thinking these cuts are amazing: Father Popcorn,
> Watering Hole, Is This The Single and Astro Sister.I
> can
> definitely live without the Sabastian Cabot number,
> but that's about the only one I hate.

I too am liking the disc a lot - although I think the Sebastian Cabot song
is a hoot and three-quarters. Although I suspect I will alienate strangers
with it, much in the way several years ago found me compulsively humming
"doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo kicker of elves" at random...


> 4.read more science fiction, but stick to 50's simple
> stuff. Ignore all sci-fi that has parallel universes.
> Too many names to keep up with. Also, no stories with
> characters with names I cannot pronounce.

Thou art cursed by Gxzyurzkron for that!

At least in *some* worlds...

> PS! Jenny! By the way I loved the Clint whats-his name
> interview. This is exactly the kind of stuff I like
> reading about!

Me too. Thanks for the link!

..Jeff

J e f f r e y   N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
:: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave.
:: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving!
:: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:10:08 -0500
From: glenn mcdonald <glenn@furia.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)

You can bet that by the time most people's iPods start dying Panasonic 
will be selling better ones in Best Buy for $59, so if you're trying to 
assess an iPod as a technology investment, it's bound to be shitty. 
Three years from now we'll probably laugh hysterically at the idea that 
anybody would pay $300-500 for a gadget that a) used moving parts 
instead of solid-state, b) used local storage instead of streaming over 
the net, c) had to have its music loaded into it from a separate CD 
reader that took minutes to extract the contents of a single album and 
had to look up the song names in an online database built up by 
individual people reading them off the backs of the jewels cases and 
personally typing them in, and/or d) isn't also a fully functional cell 
phone and PDA. This whole area of technology is still in its 
early-adopter days, and Apple's genius is to disguise that fact well 
enough that lots of people are willing to join in before they probably 
otherwise would have.

Or, to restate this another way: iPods rock!

glenn

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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:15:19 -0500
From: jenny grover <sleeveless@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] squeak, squeak...

Aaron Mandel wrote:
> 
> Well, few people have voted, which is fine. It's only January 2.
> 
>       http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf02/

I know I was the one who asked if the page was up, but thanks to Mom
sending me some Xmas money, I now am awaiting the arrival of one more
2002 release before I finalize my list :)

Jen

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:14:34 -0600
From: "CJ" <cj@mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: orangs peels live?

Hey-

Thanks to those who responded. The stars aligned in such a way that I
thought I'd make the show. The advertised showtime was 8:00. I got there at
8:20 to find that they were out of Delirium Tremens. So I got an Orval. Then
I found that I had to wait in line to probably not get in. So I didn't drink
the Orval. I came home and drank a bottle of DT and watched the bad half of
the Orange Bowl in which my alma mater got whupped by some pretty USC boys.

Well, anyway, this was going to be the spot where I told you all how good
(or bad) the Orange Peels were. I guess they're in town recording, so maybe
I'll get to see them before it's all said and done.

Be good,
CJ



- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Holtebeck" <smholt@ix.netcom.com>
To: <loud-fans@smoe.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:38 PM
Subject: [loud-fans] Re: orangs peels live?


> > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, CJ wrote:
> > > The Orange Peels are playing here in Mpls tomorrow night and there's a
> > > decent chance that, with a little effort, I could go. What are the
chances
> > > of seeing a good show?
> >
> > Pretty good, although I'm not sure who's in the Orange Peels besides
> > Allen & Mrs. Clapp.
>
> If it's those two guys from the Ocean Blue who were backing up Allen
> Clapp on his solo tour, then CJ's chances of seeing a good show are less
> than they'd be if the erstwhile *real* Orange Peels (Larry, John, and
> Bob)
> were still playing with Allen and Jill.
>
> -Steve

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:24:00 -0500 (EST)
From: dmw <dmw@radix.net>
Subject: [loud-fans] please say it won't TALK too

On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, glenn mcdonald wrote:

> anybody would pay $300-500 for a gadget that a) used moving parts
> instead of solid-state, b) used local storage instead of streaming over
> the net, c) had to have its music loaded into it from a separate CD
> reader that took minutes to extract the contents of a single album and
> had to look up the song names in an online database built up by
> individual people reading them off the backs of the jewels cases and
> personally typing them in, and/or d) isn't also a fully functional cell
> phone and PDA. This whole area of technology is still in its

i so desperately hope you're wrong about at least half of that, esp. b)
and d) but yer prolly not.  did you read that book, that, um, not _being
digital_ or _when things start to think_ ... the new one.  with all that
stuff about 63 commuters jammed in a subway train, simulataneously trying
to have conversations with their PDAs, only shiny and happy.  yeeps, to
swipe a phrase.

...what the hell, i haven't been TOO self-aggrandizing lately, so here's
my NY resolution for 2003.  which is still on the general topic of me
being surprisingly technophobic, given my circumstances.

i'm releasing 6 45rpm record singles, one every two months (or one
song/month).  y'll be able to download them from the net, set up yr record
lathe to make yr own 45 rpm master, print the sleeves on a printer and
assemble a proper DIY indie rock no-fi package in the comfort of yr own
home.  i'll be recording the first tune (with protools! i assure you!)
more-or-less as soon as i get my bass back from kilowatt house.  y'll be
able to find it at fecklessbeast.com.

that and pay taxes on time.

- -- d.

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 22:48:01 -0700
From: Roger Winston <rwinston@tde.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!

At Thursday 1/2/2003 08:02 PM -0800, Gil Ray wrote:

>2.try to watch without falling asleep, dvds that I
>insist on collecting by the hundreds.

Gil, if you can bottle that, please send me a year's supply.  Thanks.

>10.get a tatoo

I suggest the Blue Oyster Cult symbol.  At least that's what I'm going to get.

Latre.   --Rog

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 22:57:15 -0700
From: Roger Winston <rwinston@tde.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)

All this talk of iPods (which do look interesting, but I can't imagine when 
I'd have time to listen to that much music, especially with people 
interrupting me at my desk at work every 10 minutes or so) has reminded me 
of a physical defect I apparently have.  (Actually, it was in researching 
the iPods on the web and seeing the pretty pictures of them that reminded 
me.)  I seem to be totally and completely incapable of using "earbud" type 
headphones.  I've never tried a pair that didn't just fall out of my ears 
the second they were placed.  Am I deformed, or is this a more common 
problem than I think?

I had to get one of those rubber ear-canal-shaped tips for my hands-free 
cellphone ear piece.  That works okay for me.  I don't imagine those work 
too well with headphones intended for music-listening though.

A question: When using those earbud headphones, like those that come with 
the iPod, do MP3s sounds as good as CDs?  Actually, what I'm asking is when 
using those headphones, does it make it not matter that MP3s don't have the 
same sound quality as CDs?

Latre.   --Rog

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:20:02 -0500
From: Dave Walker <dwalker@freeke.org>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)

On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 12:57  AM, Roger Winston wrote:

> A question: When using those earbud headphones, like those that come 
> with the iPod, do MP3s sounds as good as CDs?  Actually, what I'm 
> asking is when using those headphones, does it make it not matter that 
> MP3s don't have the same sound quality as CDs?

In pretty much any situation where I'm listening to portable music (on
a bus, outdoors walking, in a semi-noisy office, etc.) the noise floor
is such that there's essentially no difference between a well-encoded
MP3 and the source CD.  The earbuds do a pretty good job
of cutting out exterior noise, but you really don't notice how
loud the outside world is until you're trying not to hear it. :)

If you're really picky about MP3 quality, hard drive-based portables 
offer
enough space so that you can encode at obnoxiously high bitrates if 
you're
willing to trade off a bit on song storage.

   -d.w.

np: Outrageous Cherry

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:22:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Gil Ray <ggilray@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!

- --- Roger Winston <rwinston@tde.com> wrote:
> At Thursday 1/2/2003 08:02 PM -0800, Gil Ray wrote:
> 
> >2.try to watch without falling asleep, dvds that I
> >insist on collecting by the hundreds.
> 
> Gil, if you can bottle that, please send me a year's
> supply.  Thanks.
Come to think of it, a "bottle" may be the root of my
problem....;=)
Gil
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:34:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Gil Ray <ggilray@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Happy New Year!

- --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <jenor@uwm.edu> wrote:
> I too am liking the disc a lot - although I think
> the Sebastian Cabot song
> is a hoot and three-quarters. Although I suspect I
> will alienate strangers
> with it, much in the way several years ago found me
> compulsively humming
> "doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo kicker of elves" at
> random...
Speaking of that song, I noticed that it and at least
one other on this disc (In Time All Time)reminds me
alot of songs in the style of Colin Moulding. I also
realized a similarity at least in song structure to
Christmas! Maybe it's the scope of the songs, being
kinda... big 
Gil
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:23:02 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joseph M. Mallon" <jmmallon@joescafe.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more iPod battery (ns)

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Roger Winston wrote:

> All this talk of iPods (which do look interesting, but I can't imagine when 
> I'd have time to listen to that much music, especially with people 
> interrupting me at my desk at work every 10 minutes or so) has reminded me 
> of a physical defect I apparently have.  (Actually, it was in researching 
> the iPods on the web and seeing the pretty pictures of them that reminded 
> me.)  I seem to be totally and completely incapable of using "earbud" type 
> headphones.  I've never tried a pair that didn't just fall out of my ears 
> the second they were placed.  Am I deformed, or is this a more common 
> problem than I think?

I can't stand earbud phones.  They always feel like they're going to fall
out.  I use the kind that put the earbud perpendicularly, facing forward,
into your ear.  They were good enough to mask most plane noise on a recent
trip.

Joe Mallon
jmmallon@joescafe.com

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