From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #439 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, December 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 439 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) [John Sharples ] [loud-fans] Jellyfish Box Set ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] top ten? ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] top ten? [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] chat, anyone? ["jer fairall" ] [loud-fans] a little nostalgia for the old folks... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Je] [loud-fans] up for chatting anyone?? [Phil Fleming ] [loud-fans] Top Ten question [OptionsR@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Top Ten question [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Jellyfish Box Set [glenn mcdonald ] Re: [loud-fans] Jellyfish Box Set [Aaron Mandel ] RE: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) ["Ian Runeckle] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:43:59 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) > From: AWeiss4338@aol.com > Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:14:34 EST > To: dana-boy@juno.com, loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) > > In a message dated 12/21/2002 10:48:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dana-boy@juno.com writes: > > >> We were out shopping today and stopped in a used bookstore on 7th Avenue >> in Park Slope. I was looking at the music books and the most interesting >> was a Morrissey bio. I open it up, and inside there's a half sheet of >> paper upon which is written in black felt tip: >> >> "Dearest Daria [possibly Dania], >> >> My career would mean nothing but a hill of BROAD BEANS if not for >> your love and enthusiasm. when I think of thee I do indeed feel a need >> to stroke my tingling Loins, Love Forever Morrissey" >> >> After the name, there's a little drawing of a heart. >> >> So of course I took the note. What do we think? Real or a joke? One >> point in favor of it being real is the fact that the bio was an import >> from the UK (priced in pounds only). >> > > I suspect it's real. I always had the idea that Morrissey's celibacy was a > pose, perhaps to hide that he was gay. And I'm not sure of the gender of the > person he's writing to here. But that doesn't matter now, just that it was a > pose, and that he was so smart over the years to keep that front up. > Andrea I think it sounds like the kind of thing a bored star would write to a fan he'd never met before. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:58:02 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > We were out shopping today and stopped in a used bookstore on 7th Avenue > in Park Slope. I was looking at the music books and the most interesting > was a Morrissey bio. I open it up, and inside there's a half sheet of > paper upon which is written in black felt tip: > > "Dearest Daria [possibly Dania], This reminds me pleasantly of one of my favorite little Tom Lehrer bits (I suspect it's not original, but i dunno where he got it)... in which the mathematician gets a letter that says "Darling, marry me, or I shall kill myself," and he's a bit concerned until he sees that it's addressed to "occupant." (i assume the note probably doesn't say "possibly Dania," but i enjoy pretending that it does. I don't have any Morrissey signatures to compare it with; is that the sort of thing he always writes? Woke up feeling distinctly hungover, and not only did I not have anything to drink last night, there wasn't even any smoking. I hate when that happens. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:39:41 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) >I suspect it's real. I always had the idea that Morrissey's celibacy was a >pose, perhaps to hide that he was gay. And I'm not sure of the gender of >the >person he's writing to here. But that doesn't matter now, just that it was >a >pose, and that he was so smart over the years to keep that front up. Interesting theory, but my inclination is that if the note is real the sentiment on it is a gag. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:04:17 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? >What is it with Christian indie artists and semen, anyway? Jeff >Mangum seems similarly preoccupied. It's human life, after all. And given the Christian attitude(s) towards human life... Not at all sure I'll even do a Top Ten this year. Just too much I feel obliged to experience, and don't have much chance of so doing, even with Christmas just around the corner. I'm reluctantly concluding that I don't care much for the new Gabriel, but if anyone has anything to say about this year's releases from Royal Trux, Marianne Faithfull, Linda Thompson, Johnny Cash, Tori Amos, Emm Gryner, Low, Soft Cell, Suicide, Future Bible Heroes, Jandek, Sinead O'Connor, Sparks, The Negro Problem, The Mekons, Shearwater, or anybody else you think I'm leaving out, I'm all eyes. Yes, some of these records have been discussed here. And yes, I'm reading all the usual suspects Webwise. But any other commentary, still welcome. Not really expecting anything on Jandek, though, Andy "I fucking despise the Eagles. If I could legally murder them all as children and thus retroactively eradicate their so-called music from our current timeline, I would not hesitate in doing so for even an instant. And the same goes for Fleetwood Mac." - --Sam Franklin, currently a resident of Encino ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:02:57 -0500 From: John Sharples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] xmas surprise (ns) Quoting dmw : > On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > > > We were out shopping today and stopped in a used bookstore on 7th Avenue > > in Park Slope. I was looking at the music books and the most interesting > > was a Morrissey bio. I open it up, and inside there's a half sheet of > > paper upon which is written in black felt tip: > I don't have any Morrissey signatures to compare it with; is that the sort > of thing he always writes? Dana, if you have the Kirsty MacColl collection GALORE, there is a note from Morrissey that appears to be in his own handwriting. You could compare it to that. JS NP: YANKEE HOBIE FOXTROT - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:35:22 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Jellyfish Box Set How did this one slip in under my radar? Was this discussed on list at all? Any one got it? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:19:15 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? > Emm Gryner It's nice in the usual Emm Gryner way, but for me it came down to being one brilliant song ("Lonestar") overshadowing a bunch merely very good ones, the kind of which I'm beginning to now think that Emm can do in her sleep. Not that I think she does, mind you... > Jandek I thought *you* were the sole authority on him. Jer, who has nine 2002 records (and an one EP) that he thinks are very-good-to-excellent and now just needs to decide an order. Race to Save the Primates - every click provides food! http://www.care2.com/go/z/primates ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:34:29 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? I'm reluctantly concluding that I don't care much for the new Gabriel, but if anyone has anything to say about this year's releases from Royal Trux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's put it this way: there's a very limited supply of things that sound like "Hand of Glory" so in that sense it's a must-buy. On the other hand, there's a very limited supply of such things because most people hate them. It's basically for fans of "Twin Infinitives" but I think that all good Jandek fans *should* be fans of "Twin Infinitives" so therefore...you must buy it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:46:18 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] chat, anyone? Dave and I are quietly hanging out in the chat so please come by and make some noise. irc.eskimo.com #loudfans Jer Race to Save the Primates - every click provides food! http://www.care2.com/go/z/primates ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:19:40 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] a little nostalgia for the old folks... http://tinyurl.com/3rm9 ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: [loud-fans] up for chatting anyone?? I'm here... come chat!! irc.eskimo.com #loudfans Phil F. NP... My band's demo Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:51:57 EST From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Top Ten question With these top 10 lists, are we applying any kind of "no reissues/compilations" type rules, or does anything with a 2002 publishing date qualify? What fun it is to laugh and sing a Slayer song tonight, Mike Bollman now playing: "The In Crowd: The Ultimate Mod Collection" box set, disc 4 - first the "1-2-3-4 Punk & New Wave" box, now this...who'da thunk Universal (as least their UK branch) would actually be considered a worthy reissue label? Their "Classic" series also beats the US-equivalent "20th Century Masters" collections easily. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:58:13 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top Ten question Quoting OptionsR@aol.com: > With these top 10 lists, are we applying any kind of "no > reissues/compilations" type rules, or does anything with a 2002 > publishing > date qualify? As if any "rules" would stop anyone here... For myself, I exclude reissues, compilations, and EPs, on the grounds that if the list is supposed to represent the best album of 2002, then (a) reissues pretty obviously don't count (although I suppose something like, say, the reissue of the Violent Femmes' 1st album - with an entire disc and a half worth of for the most part previously unreleased material - might be counted as new), since they were released in some other year; (b) same thing with compilations, unless they're compilations of material by one artist released entirely in 2002 (ex: when the Wedding Present compiled all the singles they'd released in one year); and (c) it's easier to put together 15 minutes of great music than 40 minutes, so EPs would have a sort of advantage. But that's just me - other people go right ahead and include those sorts of releases, on the quite logical grounds that, hey, they were the best releases of the year. At least you didn't ask "what about stuff that was released only in Indonesia on December 31, 2001? That shouldn't be eligible, should it?" ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!" :: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top Ten question On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 OptionsR@aol.com wrote: > With these top 10 lists, are we applying any kind of "no > reissues/compilations" type rules, or does anything with a 2002 > publishing date qualify? I think the basic rule is that you can do whatever you want, but for the voting it's worth keeping in mind that reissues of things that were already solidly in print aren't going to get people as excited, so fewer people will vote for them. Similarly, the New Pornographers won last year because everyone thought of it as a 2001 release even though it wasn't really. I may match the results against last year's just in case there's some album whose approbation is really split between years, but basically... whatever. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:43:01 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jellyfish Box Set I got it, and have listened to it once. I enjoyed listening to it once. I might listen to it again some day. Or I might take it out and think "No, if I'm going to listen to Jellyfish, might as well listen to the real records...". Like the Posies box from the same source, it's very much a serious-fans-only kind of thing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:00:27 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jellyfish Box Set On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > Like the Posies box from the same source, it's very much a > serious-fans-only kind of thing. Speaking of which -- well, I *assume* this is going to be a fans-only thing, in quality if not in intent... http://www.moci.us "72-song unreleased Kleenex Girl Wonder album". After the sprawling disaster of Smith that phrase should make me fearful, but I thought After Mathematics was great, and the rap track "Hit By A Car" that he posted on the web shortly thereafter was also very promising, so for the moment I am curious. (It looks like one can still download "Hit By A Car" from http://www.mocrecords.com/home.html even though the front page doesn't point there anymore. Graham Smith has several alter egos that form the notional rap crew Seven Against Thebes. In part this seems to be an excuse to write shitty choruses like "We're comin' back to settle the score / Pedal to the floor / Ready for more" and have it be okay because he's just a *pretend* rapper, but then he'll write great rhymes and put them in the mouth of lisping bling-bling persona Beowulf: Easily digestible at seventy thousand decibels But still skeptical devils are questioning my methods, yo Let me go on record, though, I jumped out of a second-floor Window when I was ten years old and damaged my temporal lobe So drop the needle like a spooked acupuncturist My brain is operated by a mischievous homonculus Well, I thought it was clever.) a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:32:40 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) Stewart said, some weeks back: All of their albums > sound more or less alike, which is both a good and bad thing; > they're awfully samey, but they're awfully good. > > The best starting point is probably the INDIAN WINTER > compilation, which leads off with their most famous song, > 1984's "Kim the Waitress" (ruined by Material Issue some > years later), but for the record, I think their all-time best > song is "Deadly Nightshade," their contribution to the > Ptolemaic Terrascope compilation SUCCOUR that came out a few > years ago. INDIAN WINTER's pretty damn fine but my favourite GP album is STRUNG BEHIND THE SUN which is a beautiful baroque (barock?) collection which includes my fave track "Tomorrow Will Bring Rain". THIS IS WHERE WE DISAPPEAR is also excellent - and there's a new live album which I listened to a bit of in Minus Zero the other week but it didn't scream "Buy Me!" so I didn't. I did however buy a s/t album by a band called Fools Face which is if you fancy some straightforward, rocking power pop with a psych-ish edge is, like, highly recommended. Seems to be a CDR, says limited edition on the sleeve. Ian Np Alice Coltrane - Astral Meditations ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #439 *******************************