From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #437 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, December 21 2002 Volume 02 : Number 437 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Re: 24 (now with tangential Scott content) [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] sliding down your chimney with a bulging sack of joy [Jeffrey] [loud-fans] GT Photo [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] compression question [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] compression question ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] tab question [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] top ten? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] tab question [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] top ten? [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] top ten? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] compression question [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] tab question [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] top ten? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] top ten? (addendum) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: 24 (now with tangential Scott content) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > How much time is supposed to have elapsed since > the end of last season? (An early episode told us, but I don't remember.) A year and a half, I believe. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:09:19 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] sliding down your chimney with a bulging sack of joy Some help locating a Christmas song (Steve?): a medley of carols arranged in the manner of "Tubular Bells." I think it began with a version of "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" a la that piano figure that opens Oldfield's piece. And in unrelated news, it occurs to me that if the nation of Burkina Faso is lacking a national anthem, they could do worse than merely adopting the tune of "Besame Mucho." Although doing worse wouldn't be easy. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ np: the radio: someone's Christmas song, called something like "Double-O Santa" jazzy spy motif... Anyone know who (too lazy to wait for back-announcement)? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:26:15 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] GT Photo Not interested in buying it, but I haven't seen this before. Apologies if its on a website somewhere. Gosh, they look so tough. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=931125748 - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] compression question Okay, a while ago someone posted a link to an engineer slamming the level of compression on Rush's new album. Now, lately I've been noticing that a lot of CDs I bought at the store had this awful sound on the cymbal crashes that I had come to associate with mp3s. I had thought maybe I was losing my hearing or something. It only just now occurred to me that these two things might be related. So, for example, right now I'm listening to the Kelly Osbourne album. Is it, in fact, compressed so heavily that a non-audiophile like me would notice something horribly screwed up with the cymbals? a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:17:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > So, for example, right now I'm listening to the Kelly Osbourne album. Is > it, in fact, compressed so heavily that a non-audiophile like me would > notice something horribly screwed up with the cymbals? Are the cymbals shimmery-sounding, like they're always slightly phased? Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:40:41 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > Are the cymbals shimmery-sounding, like they're always slightly phased? No idea what "slightly phased" would sound like. The cymbals aren't really shimmery; it's more like... it sounds like a congested person coughing, or like Patty and Selma talking. I wish I could describe it better. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:50:05 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question Quoting Aaron Mandel : The cymbals aren't > really > shimmery; it's more like... it sounds like a congested person coughing, > or > like Patty and Selma talking. Curiously, the drummer on those sessions, Alan "Sticks" Wyffchicks, refers to his cymbals by the names "Patty" and "Selma." "I'm gonna make Patty and Selma talk now," he'd say prior to one of his famed cymbal workouts. Is there, btw, a reason to pay money for the Kelly Osbourne CD? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:27:57 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question One way to find out would be to rip it into a .wav file and take a look at it in something like Cooledit. Jen Aaron Mandel wrote: > > Okay, a while ago someone posted a link to an engineer slamming the level > of compression on Rush's new album. Now, lately I've been noticing that a > lot of CDs I bought at the store had this awful sound on the cymbal > crashes that I had come to associate with mp3s. I had thought maybe I was > losing my hearing or something. It only just now occurred to me that these > two things might be related. > > So, for example, right now I'm listening to the Kelly Osbourne album. Is > it, in fact, compressed so heavily that a non-audiophile like me would > notice something horribly screwed up with the cymbals? > > a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:20:23 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] top ten? Is the top ten voting site set up yet? If so, where is it? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:27:31 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] tab question Does anyone have Aerodeliria tabbed out for guitar? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:32:47 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Is the top ten voting site set up yet? If so, where is it? Uh, no. Not up yet. Maybe by the end of the night... a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:48:18 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tab question At Friday 12/20/2002 10:27 PM -0500, jenny grover wrote: >Does anyone have Aerodeliria tabbed out for guitar? Hmmm, don't know, but here's the chords: http://www.mamster.net/lftab/pbrt/aerodeliria-crd.txt BTW, for this holiday season, I want everyone to stop smoking Winston's and start smoking Roger's ( http://www.carolinatobacco.com/home1.htm ). This message has been brought to you by the American Tobacco Association. "Nicotine Heals". Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:52:03 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 10:32 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, jenny grover wrote: > >> Is the top ten voting site set up yet? If so, where is it? > > Uh, no. Not up yet. Maybe by the end of the night... When's the deadline going to be? I really hate making a year end list before I've had a few weeks to digest the records I heard for the first time in November/December. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Dave Walker wrote: > When's the deadline going to be? I really hate making a year end list > before I've had a few weeks to digest the records I heard for the first > time in November/December. No earlier than February 1. (As in, it'll be later if a lot of people ask for it to be, but that's how it's been before.) But I don't have the coding skills to make something that takes a lot of time to update each year, so without further ado... http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf02/ You can vote for up to 15 records. If you vote now and change your mind later about something, just let me know. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:45:41 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question At 04:50 PM 12/20/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Is there, btw, a reason to pay money for the Kelly Osbourne CD? I did, and I'm happy to have done so. If you liked the JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS soundtrack but are looking for something that sounds a little more like the Muffs, you'll enjoy this up until the last track, which is atrocious. The bonus track version of "Papa Don't Preach" is no great shakes either, but we knew that. But the 10 songs before that are uniformly fine. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > But the 10 songs before that are uniformly fine. They're also kind of uniformly lacking in personality. I mean, I like the record okay and agree with your description of it, but there's a distinct lack of real OR fake sassiness in the record. It's just a decent committee pop album. In principle I think this is good, since no doubt Kelly Osbourne is a more complex person than the, uh, character she played on TV. But this seems more like spiritless than revealing. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:04:35 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question At 11:56 PM 12/20/2002 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > >> But the 10 songs before that are uniformly fine. > >They're also kind of uniformly lacking in personality. I mean, I like the >record okay and agree with your description of it, but there's a distinct >lack of real OR fake sassiness in the record. It's just a decent committee >pop album. True, but as someone who still pulls out his Spice Girls and Bananarama albums, I have no problem with that. Basically, to me, Kelly Osbourne's album is what Avril Lavigne's album tries and fails to be. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:11:02 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] compression question At Saturday 12/21/2002 12:04 AM -0500, Stewart Mason wrote: >Basically, to me, Kelly Osbourne's album is what Avril Lavigne's album >tries and fails to be. That's so bizarre you should say that, since the review (grade: D+) of Kelly's album in our local paper today said the exact opposite. Latre. --Rog (Haven't heard the album, but I like the snippets of the title song that I have heard) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:14:08 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tab question Hmm... I guess that's better than nothing, but I don't know chords on a guitar. Am I to assume, at least, that it's in standard tuning? And what are the chords for the intro (the part I'm most intrigued by)? Jen Roger Winston wrote: > > At Friday 12/20/2002 10:27 PM -0500, jenny grover wrote: > > >Does anyone have Aerodeliria tabbed out for guitar? > > Hmmm, don't know, but here's the chords: > http://www.mamster.net/lftab/pbrt/aerodeliria-crd.txt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:18:42 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? Quoting Aaron Mandel : > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf02/ > > You can vote for up to 15 records. This sort of puts my thoughts together, so I voted as follows ("*" denotes recordings I haven't had a chance to listen to enough whose position therefore is more volatile): 5 pt - Consonant s/t 4 pt - Interpol _Turn On the Bright Lights_ Pedro the Lion _Control_ 3 pt - Elvis Costello _When I Was Cruel_ Wilco _Yankee Foxtrot Hotel_ Mary Lorson & Saint Low _Tricks for Dawn_ 2 pt - Guided by Voices _Universal Truths & Cycles_ Seaworthy _The Ride_ Mary Timony _The Golden Dove_ David Bowie _Heathen_ 1 pt - Brendan Benson _Lapalco_ The Soft Boys _Nextdoorland_ The Flaming Lips _Yoshimi..._ *Polara _Jetpack Blues_ Sixteen Horsepower _Folklore_ Pretty conventional... A few relatively underheralded titles not ranked at Aaron's site that are worth hearing: Maki _Tears on the Blastshield_ Koester _The High Highs, the Low Lows_ *Elf Power _Creatures_ *John Vanderslice _Life and Death of an American Four-Tracker_ Some fine EPs (excluded from voting by me): Wire _Read & Burn 01_ Wire _Read & Burn 02_ (so far, I prefer 01) The Wrens/Five Mod Four split EP The Soft Boys _Side Three_ Marmoset _Mishawaka_ A bunch of commonly cited titles I don't yet own: Spoon _Kill the Moonlight_ The Negro Problem _Welcome Black_ Beck _Sea Change_ The Mekons _OOOH!_ Low _Trust_ Some not so commonly cited titles I don't own yet but want to: Liars _They Threw Us in a Trench and Stuck a Monument on Top_** Franklin Bruno _A Cat May Look at a Queen_ The Black Watch _Jiggery-Pokery_ ** winner, best album title, 2002 Welcome reissues: Elvis Costello Psychedelic Furs Violent Femmes Relative disappointments: Stew _Naked Dutch Painter_ Aimee Mann _Lost in Space_ Pere Ubu _St. Arkansas_ Preoccupied Pipers _The Crispy Taste of Hell_ Tommy Keene _The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down_ Expected disappointment: Breeders _Title TK_ ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:25:02 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? (addendum) Quoting Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey : > Quoting Aaron Mandel : > > > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf02/ > > > > You can vote for up to 15 records. I forgot to mention... 2003 releases I'm most looking forward to: The Wrens _Meadowlands_ (on Absolutely Kosher) The Caribbean _History's First Know-it-All_ (on Endearing) Scott Miller & Aimee Mann _Don't Hate Us Too Bad_ (on Superego)* * title, label, and 2003 release date speculative, i.e., entirely my imagination... MIA...: The Rock*a*Teens Macha ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:31:36 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] top ten? (addendum) In a message dated 12/21/2002 2:26:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, jenor@uwm.edu writes: > 2003 releases I'm most looking forward to: > > The Wrens _Meadowlands_ (on Absolutely Kosher) > The Caribbean _History's First Know-it-All_ (on Endearing) > Scott Miller & Aimee Mann _Don't Hate Us Too Bad_ (on Superego)* > * title, label, and 2003 release date speculative, i.e., entirely my > imagination... > I forget where i heard this, I think Aimee announced this on stage in SF when Scott opened for her, that this album was coming out on Superego. I am looking foward to this album too, and wouldn't be surprised if this does come out next year, perhaps when Lost In Space has had it's run. Top 10 coming later... Andrea ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #437 *******************************