From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #432 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, December 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 432 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Muddy Sweetboot [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] test ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film [Charity Stafford ] [loud-fans] Media Jukebox? (a/k/a Idiot Patrol pt. 5,392) [Jeffrey with 2] Re: [loud-fans] nice clint conley interview [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Muddy Sweetboot Got my copy of Stew's "Sweetboot 2" a few days ago. This is great stuff. I'm curious how much of it is new... there are five songs that I don't think I already have in some form: "Christmas Time Is Here", "Statue Song", "My Damn Butterfly", "Miss Satan" and "Boomy Guitar". If one of them were a track from The Naked Dutch Painter under a different name, though, I might not notice. Anyone know their provenance? a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:50:24 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] test >Yes, but for whatever reason your follow-ups on PULSE >keep going only to me although I can see that they're >addressed to the list as well... Hi Dennis! I've tried sending my message six times to the list and it never goes through. Can you tell me what goes on? Charity, would you be so kind as to forward my post to the list, and see if that works? Confused, Andy "To misquote artist Paul Klee, Sherrill does not render visible; he renders the vsible." - --from a review of Steven Sherrill's novel THE MINOTAUR TAKES A CIGARETTE BREAK at www.amazon.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > That was me who mentioned it. As I said, the first "article in > abbreviation" I remember going into wide use was THE SPORTING NEWS after > its sale to the Times Mirror Company (TTMC?). Wow. I remember being alarmed by this despite not reading The Sporting News (I just, apparently, read some news articles that referred to it). Maybe it really was the first big T-adding acronym. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:00:09 -0500 (EST) From: Charity Stafford Subject: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film Andy Hamlin asked me to forward this to the list, since for some reason he's been unable to send it himself after several tries. Charity __________________________________________________ >From zoom@muppetlabs.com Sun Dec 15 13:04:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16486 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:04:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 11103 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 18:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO drzoom) (gunputty@[209.245.175.224]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2002 18:04:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c2a464$73eea620$e0aff5d1@drzoom> From: "Andrew Hamlin" To: "Charity Stafford" , Subject: The New Japanese Horror Film Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:04:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Status: R >The problem I had with PULSE had less to do with the fact >that I knew where it was going and didn't like it than that >I got just unspeakably creeped out - even though there was >absolutely NOTHING especially gruesome in the hour or so >of the film that we saw. I finally just found the tension >unbearable. Yes, KAIRO, aka PULSE, aka CIRCUIT, is the latest film from Kurosawa Kiyoshi (no relation to Kurosawa Akira), who's done as much for the new Japanese horror film as RING doyen Nakata Hideo. I got some powerful shudders from Kurosawa's KYUA, aka CURE, starring Yakusho Koji (whom you may remember from such films as TAMPOPO, SHALL WE DANCE?, THE EEL, and EUREKA) as a detective on the trail of some seemingly-impossibly-related murders. Yakusho also stars in Kurosawa's KOREI, aka SEANCE (a remake of SEANCE ON A WET AFTERNOON) and has a cameo in PULSE. These films don't often play North American outside of festivals (though CURE did), but anyone with an all-code DVD player can join in. I encourage people to patronize www.scarecrow.com for purchases, but I did recently discover www.dvdasian.com and that looks impressive too. Scarecrow does not rent by mail, but I might be able to help anyone outside the Seattle area with a rental by proxy. Email me offlist if interested. And I haven't gotten around to THE EYE or THE PHONE yet... Andy "With 2001-02 marking the 25th anniversary of punk, Gary Valentinefounding member of the seminal New Wave band, Blondieoffers a firsthand look at its New York roots." - --from the Book Description for Gary Valentine's NEW YORK ROCKER at www.amazon.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:09:57 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] nice clint conley interview Quoting jenny grover : > http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/02266736.htm I like this...although the writer takes a while to get going, tripping over the "obvious" (i.e., rather labored) interpretation of Consonant CD's cover art, imagining that Burma typically played in "odd time signatures" (not often), and claiming Conley sings with an "English accent" (?). Evidently (apparent from my bafflement when everyone claims Robert Pollard sings with an English accent), I have different ideas of what an English accent is than everyone does. Apparently all American vocalists have to twang nasally and heavily enunciate trailing "r" sounds in order not to sound English (cuz, you know, Bostonians *always* heavily enunciate those trailing "r" sounds, don't they...). And if anyone here hasn't yet picked up that Consonant CD, what the hell are you waiting for? More melodic and a bit lighter on its feet than Burma's stuff typically, it retains that band's intensity, quality, and intelligence. On my (not yet assembled) best of 2002 list for sure... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: [clever or pithy quote] :: :: --[source of quote] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:18:51 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film Quoting Charity Stafford : > Andy Hamlin asked me to forward this to the list, since > for some reason he's been unable to send it himself after > several tries. If Andy's post is a tribute to John Cage, and is intentionally left blank (or maybe it's a tribute to bureaucratic paperwork), it did come through - both originally and in your forward. That is, I received a blank message from Andy, and nothing after the forwarding doohickeys in your message. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: np: TMBG _Mink Car_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:25:58 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film At 03:18 PM 12/16/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Quoting Charity Stafford : > >> Andy Hamlin asked me to forward this to the list, since >> for some reason he's been unable to send it himself after >> several tries. > >If Andy's post is a tribute to John Cage, and is intentionally left blank >(or maybe it's a tribute to bureaucratic paperwork), it did come through - >both originally and in your forward. > >That is, I received a blank message from Andy, and nothing after the >forwarding doohickeys in your message. That's odd, it came through for me that time: - ------------------------------------------------------- >The problem I had with PULSE had less to do with the fact >that I knew where it was going and didn't like it than that >I got just unspeakably creeped out - even though there was >absolutely NOTHING especially gruesome in the hour or so >of the film that we saw. I finally just found the tension >unbearable. Yes, KAIRO, aka PULSE, aka CIRCUIT, is the latest film from Kurosawa Kiyoshi (no relation to Kurosawa Akira), who's done as much for the new Japanese horror film as RING doyen Nakata Hideo. I got some powerful shudders from Kurosawa's KYUA, aka CURE, starring Yakusho Koji (whom you may remember from such films as TAMPOPO, SHALL WE DANCE?, THE EEL, and EUREKA) as a detective on the trail of some seemingly-impossibly-related murders. Yakusho also stars in Kurosawa's KOREI, aka SEANCE (a remake of SEANCE ON A WET AFTERNOON) and has a cameo in PULSE. These films don't often play North American outside of festivals (though CURE did), but anyone with an all-code DVD player can join in. I encourage people to patronize www.scarecrow.com for purchases, but I did recently discover www.dvdasian.com and that looks impressive too. Scarecrow does not rent by mail, but I might be able to help anyone outside the Seattle area with a rental by proxy. Email me offlist if interested. And I haven't gotten around to THE EYE or THE PHONE yet... Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:46:40 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Muddy Sweetboot Aaron Mandel wrote: > Got my copy of Stew's "Sweetboot 2" a few days ago. This is great stuff. > I'm curious how much of it is new... there are five songs that I don't > think I already have in some form: "Christmas Time Is Here", "Statue > Song", "My Damn Butterfly", "Miss Satan" and "Boomy Guitar". If one of > them were a track from The Naked Dutch Painter under a different name, > though, I might not notice. Anyone know their provenance? "Miss Satan" is the first unlisted bonus track on Naked Dutch Painter, "Christmas Again" was on a holiday single last year.. those other songs listed are previously unreleased. Muddy Sweetboot is great stuff, and doesn't sound the least bit muddy, despite what the title might imply. I only wish there would've been space to include the Guest Host vinyl only bonus track or the electric "Re-Hab". - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:55:46 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Media Jukebox? (a/k/a Idiot Patrol pt. 5,392) Was it someone on this list who recommended Media Jukebox? I downloaded a copy...and it seems fine, except I made the mistake of playing one track (not the first) on a particular CD...and now I cannot figure out how to get the damned thing to play the entire CD in sequence again. It insists that I want to hear only one track at a time and will not listen to reason. Anyone with any secret insights here, please contact me offlist. Uh...Loud Family Rox! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Californians invented the concept of the life-style. :: This alone warrants their doom. :: --Don DeLillo, _White Noise_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:45:25 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] nice clint conley interview Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > and claiming Conley sings with an "English accent" (?). I know. I tripped all over that one, too. I never thought he sounded like he had an English accent at all. I have run into this comment from other music journalists about other decidedly American vocalists, too. Maybe they just have too much wax in their ears. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:47:47 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] punk rock aerobics http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/829886.asp?cp1=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:52:04 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring In a message dated 12/13/02 9:54:03 PM, johnslists@mcswartz.org writes: << > Someone >(and my memory's muddled, so the details are...sketchy) for some vaguely >artistic reason ended up stuck ass-up in sort of a cat-door like entryway, >and somehow his ass ended up painted orange, and some passersby decided >that, uh, some floral decoration was in order. >> Not that anybody cares now about this long-forgotten thread, but it's weird to randomly choose a few LoudList postings and find this vague memory of a fine cartoon. If anyone went on to care, it's from Sam Henderson's fine "Magic Whistle" strip, and may be in the "Magic Whistle" book. Henderson is also keeping it real as a contributing writer to the Spongebob Squarepants show. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:53:08 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film >That is, I received a blank message from Andy, and nothing after the >forwarding doohickeys in your message. Considering what I know of PULSE it all might be apt. To clarify, though, my "The New Japanese Horror Film" post was blank, accidentally. That is, I understand what I did to make it blank. I don't, however, understand why Jeffrey couldn't read Charity's forwarding of my message (except the forwarding headers, right Jeffrey)? Anyone else have Weird, weird things happening to my listmail all this week. Chronic inability to post, mostly. Anybody know what's going on? At least I've got this new Peter Gabriel to keep me company, Andy "2,800-year-old frozen microbes revived" "The myth of Strom Thurmond's remorse" - --two headlines from the current www.msn.com home page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:10:09 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film Quoting Andrew Hamlin : > Anyone else have Weird, weird things happening to my listmail all this > week. Chronic inability to post, mostly. Anybody know what's going on? Dunno - but for some reason my face has gone all swirly in every picture of myself I've seen since I've read your post, Andy. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:25:38 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film At Monday 12/16/2002 08:53 PM -0800, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >Weird, weird things happening to my listmail all this week. Chronic >inability to post, mostly. Anybody know what's going on? Last week, smoe.org (which hosts this list) was added to a commonly used "blackhole" list, i.e. someone had been using the smoe server to send out spam, and the smoe admins supposedly weren't doing anything to stop it. ISPs that use this list to filter out spam would automatically block any message coming from smoe.org. My ISP was one of those, and so there was a day or so when I was not receiving any list mail. That didn't last long though - smoe must've capitulated and stopped relaying the spam (or the misunderstanding was cleared up... or whatever). However, even when I was not receiving list mail, I was still able to post to the List. So I don't know if that's related to your problem or not. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:58:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The New Japanese Horror Film At 10:25 PM 12/16/2002 -0700, Roger Winston wrote: >At Monday 12/16/2002 08:53 PM -0800, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >>Weird, weird things happening to my listmail all this week. Chronic >>inability to post, mostly. Anybody know what's going on? > >Last week, smoe.org (which hosts this list) was added to a commonly used >"blackhole" list, i.e. someone had been using the smoe server to send out >spam, and the smoe admins supposedly weren't doing anything to stop >it. ISPs that use this list to filter out spam would automatically block >any message coming from smoe.org. My ISP was one of those, and so there >was a day or so when I was not receiving any list mail. That didn't last >long though - smoe must've capitulated and stopped relaying the spam (or >the misunderstanding was cleared up... or whatever). More of a misunderstanding than "someone... using the smoe server to send out spam." One of our listowners set up a new announcement-only list for the label PrimeCD. Upon the first mailing, a couple of the opted-IN recipients reported the welcome message (similar to the message you receive when subscribing to loud-fans or most other lists) as spam! So it's not like smoe.org has turned into open relay paradise or anything. So that might explain not seeing e-mails, but it shouldn't have prevented anyone from posting. If you think you sent something that didn't show up, check the eScribe archive -- maybe it showed up but you never saw it because of smoe.org temporarily falling out of grace with Spamcop... later, Miles ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #432 *******************************