From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #428 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, December 13 2002 Volume 02 : Number 428 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring [Matthew Weber ] [loud-fans] Re: Two singers for the price of one [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffr] [loud-fans] Cheep Segway [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] Cheep Segway Back to LOTR [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] emusic alert (ns) [OptionsR@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] emusic alert (ns) [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] Re: useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) [Jeffrey wit] Re: [loud-fans] emusic alert (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) [Roger Winst] Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:27:50 -0600 (CST) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring Not to stump for Amazon, but I'm guessing that the $60 one is the "deluxe" version with the bookends, National Geographic special (pushing the disc count to five), and assorted flotsam and jetsam. The four-disc version you describe is $25.99 at Amazon last time I looked. still missing Bombadil (though I know some of you still aren't), Miles - -------Original Message------- From: Tim Walters Sent: 12/12/02 02:39 PM To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring > To anyone thinking about buying the dance remix of FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING (a 4-DVD set with a longer version of the film and two discs full of extras): Costco has it for $26 (as opposed to $60 at Amazon). I'm not sure how something so new can show up so cheap; it doesn't *look* pirated... We watched the first half last night. Most of the extra scenes add value, and give a little breathing space. The added description of hobbits at the beginning is a bit much. I really miss the big screen on this one, but the DVD is nice to have. - -- SLAW * SNAKES & LADDERS Experimental popular children's music for adults http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Slaw ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:49 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring At 07:27 PM 12/12/02 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >Not to stump for Amazon, but I'm guessing that the $60 one is the "deluxe" >version with the bookends, National Geographic special (pushing the disc >count to five), and assorted flotsam and jetsam. The four-disc version >you describe is $25.99 at Amazon last time I looked. That's indeed the straight dope. >still missing Bombadil >(though I know some of you still aren't), In a perfect world, there would have been 6 films instead of 3; one for each division within the three published volumes of the novel. In terms of trying to keep a movie under three hours, though, I can understand cutting Bombadil--he's a digression, however pleasant. I read some article to the effect that "there [the hobbits] are, being pursued across Eriador by Black Riders, and they stop off at Bombadil's for a bit of merry-dolling", and that's pretty much accurate as far as I'm concerned (though irreverent). >-------Original Message------- >From: Tim Walters >Sent: 12/12/02 02:39 PM >To: loud-fans@smoe.org >Subject: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring > >We watched the first half last night. Most of the extra scenes add value, >and give a little breathing space. The added description of hobbits at the >beginning is a bit much. As Peter Jackson's commentary mentions, you've just seen an extended prologue, and then you get another one. You're right--it doesn't really play as part of the film--but it's a delight to see more of Hobbiton all the same. The extended version is full of so many nice little moments between characters and nods to the book, though. I've enjoyed it quite a bit, and am 3/4 through the various commentary tracks. Haven't even touched the appendixes or the National Geographic feature yet. Whew! >I really miss the big screen on this one, but the DVD is nice to have. True indeed. I'm fidgeting impatiently waiting for TTT to open. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Job_, chapter 5, verse 13 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:39:28 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Two singers for the price of one Miles wrote: > Another one for the multiple singers front: I'm a casual fan of Sloan > I have what is probably a majority of their albums and I like all of > those albums, but I can't name even one person in the band. I do > understand that they swap instruments and all write and all sing, but > I've never been able to tell who's doing what. Or do just one or two > guys sing all of 'em? All four members of Sloan (Chris, Andrew, Dave, the other guy) write and sing, but since everything is credited collectively to "Sloan" and their styles are quite similar, it's hard to tell who does what unless you see them live. Which you should, because they rock, loudly and tunefully! Besides other ones already mentioned (Go-Betweens, Posies), I also wasn't sure which of the three singers sang lead on which Teenage Fanclub song until I saw them live. Terry Adams and Joey Sampinato of NRBQ are also really hard for me to tell apart. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring Miles Goosens wrote: > Not to stump for Amazon, but I'm guessing that the $60 one is the > "deluxe" version with the bookends, National Geographic special (pushing > the disc count to five), and assorted flotsam and jetsam. The four-disc > version you describe is $25.99 at Amazon last time I looked. Roger that. I should have known y'all would be more on top of this than I. > still missing Bombadil > (though I know some of you still aren't), I'm with Matt. I'd like to have him in there, but it was clearly the first thing to cut. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:57:34 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one Quoting "Joseph M. Mallon" : > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Tim Walters wrote: > > > I had no idea David Gilmour sang some Pink Floyd songs instead of > Roger > > Waters until somebody told me. I still don't know which. And Roy > Harper > > sang "Have A Cigar" without me suspecting a thing. > > Herein lies, I think, the rub. Unless you knkow there are two singers, > or > they are miles apart in style or range (John Doe/Exene), it's tough to > know whether it's the same singer doing a different style or two > people > sharing similar styles. Until I read more about Floyd, I didn't know > there were two vocalists. As for Collins/Gabriel, I can spot 'em a > mile > off. Same w/ Anderson/Squire (Chris has a lower range) and > Mills/Stipe, > but I wouldn't expect anyone not familiar with the band to absolutely > know > the difference. My original point wasn't that I couldn't tell the pairs apart (which is where the conversation's sorta drifted), only that, considering all the different voice types around, it's funny that pairs of singers whose voices are so *close* to one another end up in the same band. All of the pairs Joe mentions, I can distinguish them readily - but as Joe says, if I played a track from Squire's _Fish Out of Water_ and a Yes song in the middle of Anderson's range (i.e., everyone else's soprano range ;), a lot of folks who didn't know the band might think it's the same singer. Ditto certain Gabriel & Collins songs (from Genesis), even though I, too, have no trouble telling them apart. Dunno how anyone would confuse Mills' prominent nasality and piercingness with Stipe's more throaty and burry tone, but there you go. > In fact, it makes much sense that two vocalists in a band would sound > alike, since they're usually trying to create harmony, which usually > requires singing in the same range. I'm not sure why you say the last bit - you've got all kinds of options for harmonies, from a very close spread, range-wise, to a very wide one (any number of m/f harmonies, or the octave-doubling thing a la Difford & Tilbrook, or the whole choral range that Zappa sometimes used when he had several talented vocalists in the band (say, the "Chester's gorilla" bit on "Andy"). I think, though, that depending on how smooth the vocal blend is supposed to be (yr CSN-ish perfect tracking vs. your loose, staggered thing, like say with The Band), the *phrasing* of dif. singers in the same band is going to be close. But tones can blend without being close, or ranges being similar: the classic example is Lennon and McCartney, whose voices and ranges are pretty dissimilar but whose voices blend brilliantly into a new, third voice when singing unison & harmonize quite well. For a change of pace: the opposite situation, where one singer seems to change his or her vocal approach dramatically over time? The clearest example I can think of is Julian Cope post-_Nation Underground_: the first time I heard _Skellington_, I thought what the hell? Other examples: early Joni Mitchell vs. later (I blame cigarettes), and Dylan doing his Dudley Do-Right impersonation on _Nashville Skyline_. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. :: That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] Cheep Segway On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Tim Walters wrote: > > still missing Bombadil > > (though I know some of you still aren't), > > I'm with Matt. I'd like to have him in there, but it was clearly the first > thing to cut. i'd estimate bombadil's plot importance as different from his thematic/ontological presence. he provided some level of grounding for me that made the whole mythos more effective in a way i'm having trouble articulating. he seems quite explicitly celtic to me. but it's (gah!!) two decades since i read the thing and i never did see the flick. so mebbe i should shut up. in order to distract myself from imminent nausea, i spent the extra-jittery commute home today thinking hard about Segways. here is what i think: the only way they'd really be viable was if their primary inventor's prediction that people would redesign cities to accompany his widget were realized. but, the initially prohibitive price-point aside, i think they'll be elminated before that has a chance to happen. i think the only reason that cars and bicycles and pedestrians can co-exist, however uneasily, is that they've all been around for a while, and cars and bicycles are made by many manufacturers. as long as there's just one Segway, it seems to be an excellent target for liability suits. i don't care how easy to control it is; it can't suspend the laws of physics. it must have momentum. sooner or later someone's gonna kill a pedestrian kid and sooner or later someone is going to get killed by a car and lawsuits will allege that the control mechanisms of the design were at fault. betcha. things i learned today: blue oyster cult had more than two lead signers (aside from the alan-sung tune on mirrors that i knew about -- well, and the hired guns on some of the late albums, but those hardly count) the cars had more than one lead singer. i had no clue, honestly. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > For a change of pace: the opposite situation, where one singer seems to > change his or her vocal approach dramatically over time? Dagmar Krause going from CASABLANCA MOON to DESPERATE STRAIGHTS to IN PRAISE OF LEARNING--from ingenue to goddess of hellfire in two easy steps. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheep Segway Back to LOTR dmw wrote: > i'd estimate bombadil's plot importance as different from his > thematic/ontological presence. he provided some level of grounding for > me that made the whole mythos more effective in a way i'm having trouble > articulating. he seems quite explicitly celtic to me. but it's (gah!!) > two decades since i read the thing and i never did see the flick. so > mebbe i should shut up. No, you're absolutely right (except I'm not sure about the "explicitly celtic" part). But I guess I didn't expect the film, or any possible film of LOTR, to do more than scratch the surface in that regard. > the cars had more than one lead singer. i had no clue, honestly. Me neither. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:26:58 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring > > still missing Bombadil > > (though I know some of you still aren't), > > I'm with Matt. I'd like to have him in there, but it was clearly the first > thing to cut. and i'll make it one more for bombadil. that was one of the first comments out of my mouth - somewhere after "wow" and before "the cloaks were there, but they never explained where they came from - i wonder if anyone noticed.". i thought it was cool that they included some things without explanation, like the cloaks and the pins. i hear that those scenes in particular are in the DVD, so i guess they were cut. must have been tough to decide what to leave out. brianna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:51:34 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheep Segway Back to LOTR At 5:16 PM -0800 12/12/02, Tim Walters wrote: >dmw wrote: > > i'd estimate bombadil's plot importance as different from his > > thematic/ontological presence. he provided some level of grounding for > > me that made the whole mythos more effective in a way i'm having trouble > > articulating. he seems quite explicitly celtic to me. but it's (gah!!) > > two decades since i read the thing and i never did see the flick. so > > mebbe i should shut up. > >No, you're absolutely right (except I'm not sure about the "explicitly >celtic" part). But I guess I didn't expect the film, or any possible film >of LOTR, to do more than scratch the surface in that regard. Celtic to the extent that any West Midlands nature spirit might be, I guess. I always saw Bombadil as the embodiment of that part of Middle-Earth; a sort of genius loci. Matt Says Tweed to Till-- "What gars ye rin sae still?" Says Till to Tweed-- "Though ye rin with speed And I rin slaw, For ae man that ye droon I droon twa". "Two Rivers", Oxford Book of English Verse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:46:52 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > > >>I do understand that they swap instruments and all write and all sing, >>but I've never been able to tell who's doing what. Or do just one or >>two guys sing all of 'em? > > > I remember thinking that there were three clear songwriter/vocalists: the > clever one, the power-pop one and the tuneless rawk one. I could have been > wrong, and the only songs I remember now are the 'clever' ones. Wait, I missed the beginning of this exchange. Are we talking about Styx? (Bigger question: Am I abusing so much prescription/OTC allergy medication at once that I think that's funny?) The thing I don't get about Segways: Wouldn't they be the easiest, most lucrative thing to steal ever? Also puzzled by the 12mph-being-faster-than-car-speed-in-major-cities statement; I've lived in some of the most notoriously snarled cities out there, and except for New York where I'm not sure anyone ever got to move, I'd say I averaged at *least* twice that during rush hour unless there was a huge accident or something. Also never knew Orr sang anything besides "Drive." Hmmm. E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:09:12 EST From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) In a message dated 12/12/2002 1:35:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > ? I always figured that Eric sang all of SECRET TREATIES except for Cagey > Cretins, which I assumed was Albert. Is that right? > Huh? I thought that was Albert singing lead on "Astronomy". So what does Joe sing lead on? "Wings Wetted Down" on "Tyranny & Mutation"? On your feet or on yer bike, Mike Bollman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:16:06 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) Actually, the Segway is about the same width as a bicycle's handlebars. It's also laterally stable so you don't need to give it as much extra room as bikers, who tend to weave around while they ride. The Segway is also more nimble than a bike--easier to steer, faster to stop. If a bike can get around, then I don't know why a Segway couldn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My main resistance would be that I can (very briefly) get up to 30mph or so on my bike in emergencies, or in order to chase down drivers who've been assholes so I can catch them at a light and smash their cars with my U lock. Oops, did I say that out loud? That was the younger me talking. But it was nice, at the time, to have that capability. But we can can certainly expect bikers to pay the same respect to a Segway that cars have to pay to bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd hope we'd pay a whole lot more. One thing that I think pedestrians may forget is that all bike riders become pedestrians at one point or another: we know what it's like to have to dodge a Chinese delivery bike on the sidewalk, and we also know that that absolutely pales next the 10,000 annoying things that drivers do every day. I have an awful feeling that this may lead to a bunch of anecdotes about horrible bike messengers and grandmothers with canes, but having been a driver, a pedestrian and a cyclist, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to say that the number of idiots driving cars dwarfs the competition. Or, to be more charitable, it may be that it's beyond the capability of most people to operate a car safely under the conditions that they face in a city. - --dana, who got doored on the way home and might be a little cranky as a result. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:59:35 -0000 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one Jeff wrote: > For a change of pace: the opposite situation, where one singer seems > to change his or her vocal approach dramatically over time? The > clearest example I can think of is Julian Cope post-_Nation > Underground_: the first time I heard _Skellington_, I thought what the > hell? Other examples: early Joni Mitchell vs. later (I blame > cigarettes), and Dylan doing his Dudley Do-Right impersonation on > _Nashville Skyline_. Marianne Faithfull - and I'm sure cigarettes weren't the half of it. peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:51:51 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] emusic alert (ns) Ok, I won't make a habit of this, but an absolute *ton* of neat stuff just turned up on emusic. Artists include Harry Partch, some really great Fall stuff, a lot of Branca, Soft Machine, Brendan Benson (Lapalco), Mars, etc. I'm not kidding -- there's enough to keep my 56k modem busy for the next week. Yikes!!! - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:37:49 EST From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] emusic alert (ns) In a message dated 12/12/2002 7:53:47 PM US Mountain Standard Time, dana-boy@juno.com writes: > there's enough to keep my 56k > modem busy for the next week I know nothing about eMusic, other than I have a Steve Wynn CD of stuff he apparently recorded for them. Is the site recommended for anyone like myself who still has an old-fashioned dial-up modem? The phone lines in this apartment complex I'm in don't seem to be able to handle more than 28500 kbps. I once downloaded the original mix of Captain Beefheart's "Bat Chain Puller", and it took about six hours to finish. I'd like to check it out based on Dana's description, but I really don't want to have to spend 15 minutes to download something the size of Wire's "Field Day For The Sundays". Qouting Jeffery Norman: "For a change of pace: the opposite situation, where one singer seems to change his or her vocal approach dramatically over time?" That's an easy one: Alex Chilton. Which reminds me of the MOJO Top 100 Drug Songs list mentioned a little while ago: I never really thought of "I Am The Cosmos" as being a drug song. Did anyone else, or am I a bit slow on these sorts of matters? A couple of omissions from their list: Motorhead/Hawkwind's "Motorhead", Tad's "Habit And Necessity" Ain't felt this good for an hour, Mike Bollman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:50:03 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] emusic alert (ns) I know nothing about eMusic, other than I have a Steve Wynn CD of stuff he apparently recorded for them. Is the site recommended for anyone like myself who still has an old-fashioned dial-up modem? The phone lines in this apartment complex I'm in don't seem to be able to handle more than 28500 kbps. I once downloaded the original mix of Captain Beefheart's "Bat Chain Puller", and it took about six hours to finish. I'd like to check it out based on Dana's description, but I really don't want to have to spend 15 minutes to download something the size of Wire's "Field Day For The Sundays". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it takes a long time on a dial up modem. I deal with it by setting emusic to download 2-3 albums each night right before I go to bed. Emusic comes with a download manager that lets you cue up full albums if you wish. So basically, I go to sleep and wake up with three new albums on my computer. Since local calls cost the same regardless of length, and since I don't want anyone calling me in the middle of the night anyway, it works out perfectly. At 28500, I'd guess that you could only get 1-2 albums a night. Of course, at work it's much faster, but I try not to abuse that. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:14:31 -0500 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) > The classic pairing of identical voices seems to remain Ocasek and Orr. I > remember Ric once being really proud of how people could never tell them > apart. Always knew Orr sang Drive, would have bet on Ocasek singing Just What I Needed up until I read in Orr's obit that he sang it . Oddly enough, Shannon & I were discussing voices who make my skin crawl this evening (David Lee Roth, Steve Perry & Geddy Lee) and I remarked that Steve Perry's voice is virtually undescernable from Sam Cooke's but, ironically, I like Sam Cooke's voice. > My classic soundalikes are Glenn Mercer and Bill Million of > the Feelies, who not only sounded alike vocally but played > guitar more or less identically as well. Glenn sang all the Feelies leads. Bill sang backups. > Glenn Quinn -- Doyle on Season 1 of ANGEL, and Mark (Becky's husband) on > ROSEANNE. OD'd, apparently. An amazing character and an amazing actor on Roseanne...the best of the lot. Never saw him on Angel but saw a very funny episode of a defunct show called Jesse (Christina Applegate vehicle). He played a hunky guy she get's a crush on, he asks here over and when she arrives all his Dungeons & Dragons pals are there for a game and harraunge her for not playing in character. - - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:55:07 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring Quoting Matthew Weber : > True indeed. I'm fidgeting impatiently waiting for TTT to open. Okay, someone mentioned this awhile ago, but...what is up with people including articles in abbreviations? Conventionally, they're left out: I blame _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ and the folks who started referring to it as ST:TNG instead of ST:NG. Surely, a film called _The Two Towers_ is more easily referred to as 2T? Or to clarify, LOTR:2T? (Anyway, "loader tootie" is a lot more fun to say than "tea-tea-tea," unless you say it like Paul McCartney in "Honey Pie.") ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:06:14 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) Quoting Dana Paoli > having been a driver, a pedestrian and a cyclist Returning to the always incipient prog-rock thread, and quoting Ian Anderson: "I'd give up my derailleur for a horn / and my horn for the legs I once had." Or something like that. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: last played: Elvis Costello _Mighty Like a Rose_ reissue disc 1 last drank: Three Floyds Alpha King pale ale last eaten: Eden Hot & Spicy Wasabi chips ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:41:24 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] emusic alert (ns) At 09:51 PM 12/12/2002 -0500, Dana Paoli wrote: >Ok, I won't make a habit of this, but an absolute *ton* of neat stuff >just turned up on emusic. Artists include Harry Partch, some really >great Fall stuff, a lot of Branca, Soft Machine, Brendan Benson >(Lapalco), Mars, etc. I'm not kidding -- there's enough to keep my 56k >modem busy for the next week. Yikes!!! I also recently discovered an album -- which I didn't even know existed -- of 1964-69 recordings by the Wilde Flowers, the group that spawned a good chunk of the Soft Machine. There's some drivel, of course, but the best tracks (including early versions of what would become Softs songs) are remarkable. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:55 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Two singers for the price of one At Thursday 12/12/2002 06:57 PM -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >For a change of pace: the opposite situation, where one singer seems to >change his or her vocal approach dramatically over time? Bill Nelson - something changed drastically for him, voice-wise, between the last two Be Bop Deluxe albums (MODERN MUSIC and DRASTIC PLASTIC). And then it got worse over time as he got into his solo stuff. I'm not sure if he was just singing in a different range, or doing more of a sing-talk Lou Reed type thing, but it annoyed me at the time. I'm used to it now. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:59:43 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cheap Ring At 10:55 PM -0600 12/12/02, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Quoting Matthew Weber : > > > True indeed. I'm fidgeting impatiently waiting for TTT to open. > >Okay, someone mentioned this awhile ago, but...what is up with people >including articles in abbreviations? Conventionally, they're left out: I >blame _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ and the folks who started referring >to it as ST:TNG instead of ST:NG. > >Surely, a film called _The Two Towers_ is more easily referred to as 2T? Or >to clarify, LOTR:2T? (Anyway, "loader tootie" is a lot more fun to say than >"tea-tea-tea," unless you say it like Paul McCartney in "Honey Pie.") I take every opportunity to say it like Paul McCartney in "Honey Pie." But wouldn't that be "LR:2T", since we also leave out short prepositions in abbreviations? Besides, 3 tees are better than two. Three is a very important number in our culture, as any fairy tale will readily demonstrate. Matt See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am! Eugenics Review, July 1929, 86/2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:04:16 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) At Thursday 12/12/2002 09:09 PM -0500, OptionsR@aol.com wrote: >Huh? I thought that was Albert singing lead on "Astronomy". So what does Joe >sing lead on? "Wings Wetted Down" on "Tyranny & Mutation"? I'm pretty sure Wings Wetted Down was Albert. Hot Rails To Hell, from the same album, was Joe. Let's see: I surmise other Joe-sung songs would be Screams (from the first album), Morning Final (from AGENTS), Celestial The Queen (SPECTRES) and Moon Crazy (MIRRORS). At Thursday 12/12/2002 08:05 PM -0500, dmw wrote: >blue oyster cult had more than two lead signers (aside from the alan-sung >tune on mirrors that i knew about I will dispute that Allen sang Lonely Teardrops, though he did write it. I don't think he ever sang anything on record, aside from the Dance The Night Away demo on the recent re-release of AGENTS. LT sounds to me like Albert singing, though I'm willing to be persuaded differently. Maybe I should check out a BOC website... (BTW, judging by the recent DVD of BOC in concert from last summer, Allen has some serious dental issues these days. And Buck Dharma looks alarmingly like Robin Williams.) I'm Not The One You Were Looking For (from MIRRORS) always seemed to me like Albert trying to do an Ocasek(/Orr) thing. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:04:37 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] useless stupid (0% Psychedelic Furs content) On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > anecdotes about horrible bike messengers and grandmothers with canes, but > having been a driver, a pedestrian and a cyclist, I wouldn't hesitate for > a second to say that the number of idiots driving cars dwarfs the > competition. Or, to be more charitable, it may be that it's beyond the > capability of most people to operate a car safely under the conditions > that they face in a city. my hypothesis: the percentage of assholes in the population is consistent, and does not vary according to the chosen mode of transportation*. since the driver population is larger than either the pedestrian or bicycle population, the number of asshole drivers is larger. slower traffic will be exposed to more samples of faster traffic than traffic of its own speed, i.e., cyclists will tend to encounter more cars than other bikes; pedestrians will encounter a greater percentage of the bikes travelling along a given route than percentage of the pedestrians. there's also definitely a placebo effect; when i commuted about 25 miles (total) daily by bike i was aware that two or three times a day a driver would do something that was really rude or that significantly endangered me. that probably equates to over a thousand vehicles whose behaviour didn't negatively impact me, but it's the three jerks i remembered. - -- d. np laguardia e.p. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] missing asterisk reference On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, dmw wrote: > the percentage of assholes in the population is consistent, and does not > vary according to the chosen mode of transportation*. since the driver * black SUVs with tinted windows might be an exception, but maybe that's just placebo thinking again ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #428 *******************************