From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #424 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, December 10 2002 Volume 02 : Number 424 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] LOL (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] Yet another sign (was: Yet another link) [Janet Ingraham Dwye] Re: [loud-fans] LOL (ns) [John Sharples ] Re: [loud-fans] LOL (ns) [John Sharples ] [loud-fans] Andy Richter [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] No Sopranos spoilers, please [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] Holiday music alert [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] my dead wife and my dead wife (SOLARIS) [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] my dead wife and my dead wife (SOLARIS) ["Aaron Milenski"] Re: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] test [John Sharples ] Re: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left [Bill Silvers ] [loud-fans] exit pursued by bear ["Phil Gerrard" ] Re: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] exit pursued by bear [LeftyZ@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:41:09 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] LOL (ns) Hey all, Has the Andy Richter show come up here yet (Ah, Escribe says it did, way back in April)? Shari and I finally managed to see it last night and it's definitely interesting. It kind of played as one long Conan sketch, and lacked a real flow, but some of the lines were extremely funny. I'm hoping that it sticks around for a while, now that Fox seems to be giving it a promotional push. I don't like the Elaine character so much, but the Andy Dick puts a nice spin on his role. And the cute girl is the cutest cute girl I've seen in a while. Nonetheless, I still vote for Scrubs as the most worthwhile show on TV. Over the weekend, I heard the band L.A.L. which is an unfortunate shorthand for Love As Laughter. Really great artsy garage rock, and I can't understand why they're not part of the whole Strokes/Stripes/Hives thing. The CD I got is on K, from some years back, so I don't know how they developed after they moved to Sub Pop. They have a page on Epitonic in case anyone wants to check them out the easy way. Best food of the week: Pumpkin Fritters from the Afghani place on Coney Island Avenue. John Sharples, go there now, get the fritters, but do not buy the Kebab!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:50:02 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: [loud-fans] Yet another sign (was: Yet another link) At 04:11 PM 12/08/2002 -0500, Stewart Mason wrote: >My own booze was largely bought at the goofily-named Jubilation Wine >and Spirits, because it was nearby and they carried a shitload of Belgian >Trappist ales. This necessarily reminds me of a story Andy tells of a store in Hagerstown, MD, operated by a fellow named Ed Godloves and boasting the exquisite sign: GODLOVES CUT RATE LIQUORS janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:55:12 -0500 From: John Sharples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LOL (ns) Quoting dana-boy@juno.com: > Best food of the week: Pumpkin Fritters from the Afghani place on Coney > Island Avenue. John Sharples, go there now, get the fritters, but do not buy > the Kebab!! Not when the greatest kebab I've ever had is at Sahara at Coney Island Ave and Avenue X! Dana, you keep telling me about this place but you never tell me it's name! Coney Island Ave is really long, I at least need a corner street. My new neighborhood of Midwood/Borough Park/Ocean Parkway is surprisingly strong on food. DiFara on Ave J and E 15 St in Midwood has the best slice of pizza in NYC according to the TIMES and the VOICE, and Hot Bagels on Ave M makes the best bagels I've ever had: an elegant, golden glaze on the outside, light and fluffy inside. Nearby Gravesend has great restaurants, too. Hey, the hot dog itself was invented right down the street in Coney, where the original Nathan's is still cranking 'em out! I haven't cooked a meal at home since moving in last March. I haven't seen Andy Richter, but it's on my list (he was the best thing on Conan, which is saying a lot). Anybody have thoughts about last night's SOPRANOS season finale? I thought it was a little uneven, but the whole Tony- Carmela thing shook me up pretty good. The acting in those scenes was stellar. JS JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:58:05 -0500 From: John Sharples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LOL (ns) Quoting me : > Dana, you keep telling me about this place but you never tell me it's name! YIKES! And during Wacky Punctuation Week, no less! When I think about you I quote myself, JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:17:56 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Andy Richter At 03:41 PM 12/9/2002 +0000, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >Hey all, > >Has the Andy Richter show come up here yet (Ah, Escribe says it did, way >back in April)? Shari and I finally managed to see it last night and it's >definitely interesting. It kind of played as one long Conan sketch, and >lacked a real flow, but some of the lines were extremely funny. I'm hoping >that it sticks around for a while, now that Fox seems to be giving it a >promotional push. There was a new episode last night? Since I'd given up on Fox' Sunday lineup (with Goosens must-sees ALIAS, CHARMED, and ANGEL all crowding into Sunday, something had to give), I totally missed it. In case I didn't say it out loud to the list last year: I was skeptical about the show given that every promo seemed to be laced with puerile, scatological humor, but once I watched the actual episodes (I had been taping them rather than watching them as they aired), the show was actually smart and funny, and a lot of the worst-sounding lines in the promos were either taken out of context or very quick, minor points in the episodes. It was like Fox decided to market the show to the AMERICAN PIE audience rather than to the relatively-brainy-show audience. Not that I didn't like the first AMERICAN PIE for what it was, mind you... >I don't like the Elaine character so much, but the Andy >Dick puts a nice spin on his role. Eh. I don't see those characters as those kind of ripoffs. >And the cute girl is the cutest cute >girl I've seen in a while. The "cute girl" you're referring to is presumably Irene Molloy, who is winning here but was infinitely more delectable playing "mean girl" on the late GROSSE POINTE. Though we don't have Trio on our cable system, I read through their list of cancelled-before-their-time series, and was a little disappointed not to see GROSSE POINTE, THE ASSOCIATES, FRANK'S PLACE, THE TORTELLIS, THE LONE GUNMEN, and scads more if I think about it for long. They say one of their criteria was "hasn't been rerun anywhere," but ERNIE KOVACS (on Ha!) and THE NIGHT STALKER (Sci-Fi and/or Bravo, I think) have definitely been rerun, because I saw 'em in the '90s. >Nonetheless, I still vote for Scrubs as the most >worthwhile show on TV. Definitely up there for me. There's now a pretty good soundtrack album for SCRUBS, which I was delighted to see included Colin Hay's acoustic "Overkill," as performed by Hay himself during an episode. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:23:27 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] No Sopranos spoilers, please No Sopranos spoilers, please, out of consideration for those still catching up via the DVDs. If the Season 4 disks come out at least a couple of months before Season 5 starts, Jo and I should be caught up by the time the next season starts. > From: John Sharples > > Anybody have thoughts about last night's > SOPRANOS season finale? I thought it was a little uneven, but the whole Tony- > Carmela thing shook me up pretty good. The acting in those scenes was > stellar. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:39:13 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yet another sign (was: Yet another link) At 10:50 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: >At 04:11 PM 12/08/2002 -0500, Stewart Mason wrote: >>My own booze was largely bought at the goofily-named Jubilation Wine >>and Spirits, because it was nearby and they carried a shitload of Belgian >>Trappist ales. > >This necessarily reminds me of a story Andy tells of a store in Hagerstown, >MD, operated by a fellow named Ed Godloves and boasting the exquisite sign: > >GODLOVES CUT RATE LIQUORS This doesn't compare, but there's a liquor store in our neighborhood that used to be known as SDI Liquors -- which pre-Bush II was our answer to "what became of all those dollars Reagan put into 'Star Wars?'" It's now TLC Liquors. I wonder if business has fallen off since "Left-Eye"'s death. wondering how the TLC got their own network, Miles p.s.: why, oh why, did articles start to become part of acronyms? This seems irretrievable now, but as recently as the '70s was frowned upon as poor form. The first prominent example I remember was venerable U.S. sports weekly THE SPORTING NEWS starting to call itself TSN after the Times-Mirror corporation bought it, but it pretty quickly became de rigeur... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:57:51 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] whoa, dude... At 12:22 AM 12/7/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Is this the year, btw, for recycling short album titles? We've had _Trust_, and >two _Up_s (one with an exclamation mark). Peter Gabriel's UP was officially announced in 1998, which probably isn't the record between "officially announced with a press conference" and "actually released," but must be close. In fact, I think the next week was when R.E.M. held their press conference for their UP. Pete Buck joked then that R.E.M. would be changing their title to PETER GABRIEL'S UP. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:10:20 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] Vampire Ecology in the Jossverse Yet another example of People With Way Too Much Time On Their Hands... Vampire Population Ecology (or Sunnydale's vampire carrying capacity): http://www.stanford.edu/~bthomas/vamp/vampecology.htm Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:23:16 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Sopranos (spoiler SPACE) In a message dated 12/9/02 8:01:30 AM, jsharple@brooklaw.edu writes: << Anybody have thoughts about last night's SOPRANOS season finale? I thought it was a little uneven, but the whole Tony- Carmela thing shook me up pretty good. The acting in those scenes was stellar. >> > > > > > > > > I was shaken up by that too....and amazed that Tony held his temper as well as he did after the Furio revelation. The reactions of the kids were almost ambiguous until the big hug when Tony left. I was touched. Carm looked like HELL pretty much the whole episode. The short scene with Dr. Melfi seemed a bit forced...guess it was a signal she'll be back next year? The Dean Martin stuff was hilarious, but I thought it was VERY strange that the SEASON ended lookin' at that lawyer. When's Johnie Sack gonna get whacked?.....and... ...when does the NEXT season start? Left ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:34:39 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) Finally, I've found time to say a few words about the fine CD Larry sent me a few months back. What's most curious about the CD is that despite its being rooted in the sort of guitar-pop that's quite common in my collection, when his CD arrived I owned only one track on it! Anyway, here's the tracklisting and a parenthetical rating on a 10-point scale. Anything above 5 means "I enjoy listening to this," 10 is instant classic, 9 means I'm likely to buy the artist's work on the song's say-so, 8 means I like it a lot, 7 means I like it but it doesn't compel me, 6 means I'm pretty indifferent to it. Gripweeds "Save My Life" 8 Bandola "Till Tuesday" 6 Mutton Birds "Giant Friend" 6 Minus 5 "The Girl I Never Met" 9 Green Pajamas "The Moorland Ghost" 9 Possibilities "Wouldn't Take Nothing" 7 Bigger Lovers "Catch & Release" 8 Waxwings "Blur to Me" 7 Alice Cooper "Is It My Body" 6 Kimberley Rew "Philip Larkin" 7 Westside Daredevils "Careful Tom" 7 Neilson Hubbard "Paper Star" 9 (this is the one I owned) Mayflies USA "The Greatest Thing" 8 Windbreakers "Visa Cards and Antique Mirrors" 7 The Beat "Different Kind of Girl" 6 X-Teens "Baby John" 8 Shins "Caring Is Creepy" 10 Garrison Starr "Serves Me Right" 9 Will & the Bushmen "The Blunderbuss" 7 Will Rigby "The Sweeter Thing to Do" 6 Missy Roback "Sight Unseen" 7 Wishbone Ash "Persephone" 6 Some comments: Gripweeds: I like the excited drumming and somewhat exotic vocal harmonics. The dueling lead guitars in the bridge is a nice touch. Minus 5: classic style with some Byrdsian harmonies, and a nice instrumental touch with a nylon-string guitar solo. Green Pajamas: a bit of psychedelia in the mix: backwards guitar, fuzzed bass, tambourine, and a slightly narcotized vocal approach. I like. Alice Cooper: one of two odd ducks on this CD stylistically: its '70s sound is a reasonable follow-up to the somewhat Sloan-gone-slightly-acoustic sound of the preceding track (the Waxwings), but even though I like the song well enough, it sounds a bit out of place on an otherwise stylistically consistent mix. Kimberley Rew: odd choice of subject...and even odder choice of music to accompany: a sort of country-ish blues feel, which Rew emphasizes by singing in a nasal, Americanized twang. Neilson Hubbard: one of the catchier tracks on _The Slide Project_ - I like the harmonies from Garrison Starr (see below) on the chorus. Mayflies USA: Good contrast between the verses and choruses. I like the echoing vocals (I think that's what my notes say!) on the second verse and the dual guitar lines in the instrumental passage. Windbreakers, The Beat: both songs docked a point for structural issues. The Windbreakers' track has a sort of Holsapplian feel in the vocals and in the mandolin rhythm, but the song needs a true bridge: an instrumental solo helps, but... And I'd like the Beat song better, but it seems to be two parts - the chorus, and the lead-in thereto - repeated around seventeen times. X-Teens: It's New Wave (original definition): whiny organ, vocal processing...and the harmonies on the chorus remind me of the Yachts (if anyone remembers them). Shins: I went out and bought the CD almost immediately after hearing this one. One of those songs with an indefinable, haunting something - maybe it's the weird yet apt opening melody thing (sort of echoed in the chorus), or the weirdly vibrating organ sound, or...I don't know - it's just a magical song. The rest of the CD doesn't *quite* measure up - but it's still pretty damned fine, esp. "New Slang." Garrison Starr: Kind of a country-ish influence here. I like her voice, and the song's well arranged, with some nice insturmental touches like the backwards bit on the second verse. Is this some of the same folks who play on the Hubbard CDs - Clay Jones et al.? Will & the Bushmen: I knew this song first from Brad Jones' version of it - which I like a lot better. The sound here is murkier (the opening guitar figure just chimes in Jones' version; here it kinda thuds), the drumming is too static, and Jones' vocal is a bit more spirited. BTW: who or what is "Tacoma" (?) in the chorus? Will Rigby: Did someone else do this song - a female singer? It's a fine song, but the synthetic arrangement and Rigby's excessively nasal singing kinda kill it. But the line about "turn off the decibels" is clever... Wishbone Ash: the other odd duck here. Hurt somewhat by a similar slow tempo and same key as the preceding Missy Roback track. This is a good example of slightly proggy, FM-radio rock of the '70s (I think) - and while it's well done for its style and has an attractive melody, it just isn't what I'm in the mood to hear, perhaps particularly in this context. And of course, it gets distended to nearly seven minutes with a lengthy guitar solo at the end. Overall, though, a fine tape - nothing made me want to hit the skip-track button, and several tracks were in the "buy me!" or "think about buying me..." category. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:46:23 -0800 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) > Garrison Starr: Kind of a country-ish influence here. I like her voice, and the > song's well arranged, with some nice insturmental touches like the backwards bit > on the second verse. Is this some of the same folks who play on the Hubbard CDs - > Clay Jones et al.? Lots of the same players, similar scene. Her 2002 second album, _Songs from Takeoff to Landing_, is very nice, as is her more-energetic-but-less-sophisticated debut, _18 Over Me_. She has also done backup vocals for some other good southern bands - Jolene, if I recall correctly, as well as Nielsen Hubbard.\ - ------ Michael Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com http://zwirn.com (t) 503-232-8919 (c) 503-887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:46:44 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) At 12:34 PM 12/9/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Green Pajamas: a bit of psychedelia in the mix: backwards guitar, fuzzed bass, >tambourine, and a slightly narcotized vocal approach. I like. There's huge amounts more where that came from: not only have the Green Pajamas suddenly become wildly productive over the last few years (after close to a decade and a half where a span of some years would come between the occasional single or EP), but leader Jeff Kelly has released many solo albums that are all but interchangeable with the GPs' group efforts, including a four-disc box called MELANCHOLY SUN that compiles several early cassette-only releases. All of their albums sound more or less alike, which is both a good and bad thing; they're awfully samey, but they're awfully good. The best starting point is probably the INDIAN WINTER compilation, which leads off with their most famous song, 1984's "Kim the Waitress" (ruined by Material Issue some years later), but for the record, I think their all-time best song is "Deadly Nightshade," their contribution to the Ptolemaic Terrascope compilation SUCCOUR that came out a few years ago. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:58:09 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) At 10:46 AM 12/9/2002 -0800, Michael Zwirn wrote: >> Garrison Starr: Kind of a country-ish influence here. I like her voice, >and the >> song's well arranged, with some nice insturmental touches like the >backwards bit >> on the second verse. Is this some of the same folks who play on the >Hubbard CDs - >> Clay Jones et al.? > >Lots of the same players, similar scene. Her 2002 second album, _Songs from >Takeoff to Landing_, is very nice, as is her >more-energetic-but-less-sophisticated debut, _18 Over Me_. She has also done >backup vocals for some other good southern bands - Jolene, if I recall >correctly, as well as Nielsen Hubbard. The connection being that Starr and Hubbard were the co-leaders of This Living Hand, a sort of "Galaxie 500 goes alt-country" group from the early '90s (Making her Caitlin Cary to his Ryan Adams, I guess). I really like SONGS FROM TAKEOFF TO LANDING, but be warned about her debut that unless you think the music world needed another Melissa Etheridge, you might find it a lot overproduced and a little disappointing. On the other hand, you'll see it in any remainder bin for a buck or two and it's well worth that. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:24:57 -0800 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) > The connection being that Starr and Hubbard were the co-leaders of This > Living Hand, a sort of "Galaxie 500 goes alt-country" group from the early > '90s (Making her Caitlin Cary to his Ryan Adams, I guess). Right, that's the part I forgot to mention. This Living Hand is a very peculiar listening experience if you have seen or heard either Starr or Hubbard in their current incarnations. It's not that weird an album, really, but it's quite different than one's expectations might be. A brief comment I had written when I got it: "If you have heard the Pernice Brothers and their various offshoots, with that lovely gauzy string-accompanied orchestral pop, this is much along the same lines. Violins, piano, organ, all very tasteful and melodic, but with some blurry Mazzy Starrish or Luna touches. It's very nice, and Hubbard has some neat singing touches and lyrics - "Shoebox" and ""Marlon Brando" are particularly nice." n.p. Neko Case, Furnace Room Lullabye - ------ Michael Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com http://zwirn.com (t) 503-232-8919 (c) 503-887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:52:28 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] my dead wife and my dead wife (SOLARIS) A few, hopefully non-spoileriffic SOLARIS notes: * Nine people at our screening, including us. Two left around the 35 minute mark. It would have been interesting to see the ratio last weekend, which one assumes would have been attended by many more "look! Clooney and a girl kissing on the poster! Awwww!" sorts of viewers. To be fair to them, the TV advertising does make it look like the space version of GHOST. * It's actually way shorter than Tarkovsky's 1972 version. * It's far more focused on the backstory of the Kris-dead wife relationship than the first one. In a way, Clooney's Kris gets off the hook much more lightly than Banionis' Kris, at least as far as his perceived culpability in his wife's death. This is not entirely dissimilar from how OPEN YOUR EYES' selfish and shallow Cesar became VANILLA SKY's merely roguish David, though Soderbergh doesn't go overboard with the sanitization/sanctification of his lead character, a temptation to which Crowe et Cruise succumbed wholesale. * Have no memory of reading the book (though I wouldn't swear that I didn't, given the huge amount of SF I consumed between the ages of eight and twenty-one), so I can't offer any comparisons to the source material. I'm 100% sure I've read something by Lem, but I couldn't say what. * Clooney does a superb job, as he usually does when working with a good director. In fact, it's maybe his best performance, as it asks more of him than any other role I've seen him in, and he delivers on all counts. Nevertheless, I'd be shocked if he gets any formal recognition for it, given that the movie is already being talked about as an epic flop. * Natascha (2002) and Natalya (1972) playing resurrected-by-Solaris wives. Just interesting to me that the female leads had close to the same name. * Overall, I prefer the 1972 movie (now conveniently available for purchase/rental in a typically excellent Criterion DVD edition), which IMO had more memorable scenes. As noted, I really can't say which is more true to the book, but the 1972 movie had more than a half-dozen incredible scenes (the prelude at Kris' father's house, Berton's ride back into the city, Gibaryan's "visitor" walking around behind him visibly and blithely on his recording, the torn steel doorway, the liquid oxygen scene, the beautiful weightless-in-the-study interlude, the final scene) that have stuck with me. Not that Soderbergh should have attempted a scene-by-scene remake, but the things he did come up with (which only includes one of the above scenes, plus a split-second of another as a possibility glimpsed by Kris) don't measure up. * Nevertheless, I was glad to have seen the movie, and can't imagine walking out of it! You do have to be the kind of person who's happy with a moviegoing experience that's more suggestive and evocative, leaving plenty of loose ends and room for interpretation. If you want a whodunit or a neat ending, that's fine, but neither SOLARIS is going to offer you those things. Maybe Lem's book fills in the "why" and "how" parts, but both movies offer provocative journeys for the willing viewer. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:16:09 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] my dead wife and my dead wife (SOLARIS) On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 03:52 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Nevertheless, I was glad to have seen the movie, and can't imagine > walking out of it! Am I weird? I've never walked out of a movie. I've fallen asleep on quite a few, done the MST3k thing on a few others, and received a couple of refund/credits based on projection/sound issues, but I have never left a theater showing of a film. Am I just a weird masochist? -d.w. np: Bill Nelson, "Flaming Desire" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:17:08 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] Brilliant But Cancelled For the teevee geeks among us, The Trio Channel is featuring a number of old shows under the promotional banner "Brilliant But Cancelled" this month. Among the shows included are episodes of older shows like "The Ernie Kovacs Show" and "East Side/West Side," as well as more recent stuff like "Profit," "Action," and "Now and Again." Most interesting to me is tonight's premiere of five old episodes of Larry Gelbart's "United States," starring Beau Bridges and Helen Shaver (according to the IMDB, there were only six made). http://www.triotv.com/programs/shows/bbc/shows.html b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] my dead wife and my dead wife (SOLARIS) On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > * Overall, I prefer the 1972 movie (now conveniently available for > purchase/rental in a typically excellent Criterion DVD edition), which IMO > had more memorable scenes. Indeed, a five minute scene where the camera slowly narrows in on an ear canal is, um, memorable. - --Michael, whose Tarkovsky opinions range from Excruciating (Solaris) to Deeply Moving (Stalker, Sacrifice). np Statuesque "Live from Lake Vostok"--as good as the on-list claims have been. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:36:39 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] test aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:38:37 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Holiday music alert If anyone is interested, there's a 3-song YLT Christmas ep for sale at http://www.yolatengo.com/include/view_items.php. Three songs for 10 bucks, but they say all proceeds go to charity. There's also a new limited edition Stew cd, SWEETBOOT 2: MUDDY SWEETBOOT for sale at www.stewsongs.com/gear.html. This one is 15 songs for 14 bucks, including not one but two versions of "Xmas again (Now I Have It All)", previously only available on a hard-to-find promo CD single. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:13:58 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] my dead wife and my dead wife (SOLARIS) Dave Walker wrote: >Am I weird? I've never walked out of a movie. I've fallen asleep on >quite a few, done the MST3k thing on a few others, and received a couple >of refund/credits based on projection/sound issues, but I >have never left a theater showing of a film. Am I just a weird >masochist? There's at least two of us, then. I've sat through all of whatever I've paid to see, even when it turns out to be MY CHAUFFER or SHOWGIRLS. I suspect that it's related to me not skipping tracks when listening to albums. Michael Mitton: >Indeed, a five minute scene where the camera slowly narrows in on an ear >canal is, um, memorable. > >--Michael, whose Tarkovsky opinions range from Excruciating (Solaris) to >Deeply Moving (Stalker, Sacrifice). Well, hence my mentioning that the original SOLARIS is now on DVD -- one can try before buying, especially via the power o' Netflix. I haven't seen STALKER, but I really like SOLARIS *and* SACRIFICE. I thought the scene where the camera slowly narrowed in on an ear canal was from one of those capital E Excruciating body-part closeup films that Matmos projected behind them when they opened for Wire at the Great American Music Hall in May 2000. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left I've sat through every movie I've attended--including HOWARD THE DUCK--except for one: JOHNNY MNEMONIC. I bailed on that after ten minutes, and have no regrets. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:38:09 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] my dead wife and my dead wife (SOLARIS) >There's at least two of us, then. I've sat through all of whatever I've >paid to see, even when it turns out to be MY CHAUFFER or SHOWGIRLS. I >suspect that it's related to me not skipping tracks when listening to >albums. Three. I've never walked out of a movie either, and can't imagine why I would unless it's because I'm taken away in handcuffs for attacking the guy in front of me after his cell phone rings for the eighteenth time. I really want to see SOLARIS, but I haven't seen the original, so, in my world, that means I can't, yet. Hell, I haven't even seen EYES WIDE SHUT yet because I've been unable to obtain an uncut version. Don't ask me to explain further unless you want one of my anti-Blockbuster rants. I did see FRIDA this weekend, and it was surprisingly good. Is it true that Ed Norton actually wrote most of the script?? Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:41:05 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left I'm usually in Dave Walker's camp: if I've laid down the money, I'll sit through it, even if it means enduring stinkers like THE HOTEL NEW HAMPSHIRE or BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA. However, about 45 minutes through Jodie Foster's HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, I had to leave. I mean, I may be a master of self-loathing, but there's only so much torture I'll put myself through. MB np: Kevin Salem - "In A Whisper" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:53:26 -0500 From: John Sharples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] test Quoting Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey : > aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa Oh no! It's The Attack of The A Clones! ("A" Company?) - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:56:52 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left Tim Walters wrote: >I've sat through every movie I've attended--including HOWARD THE >DUCK--except for one: JOHNNY MNEMONIC. I bailed on that after ten minutes, >and have no regrets. Dude, Rollins was awesome. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:20:09 -0000 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] exit pursued by bear I'm ashamed to say I've walked out of more theatre shows (three) than movies (one). The one and only movie I bailed on was 'The Man Who Fell to Earth', and to this day the good auteurist in me can't figure out why, if 'Performance' is one of my favourite movies, I couldn't stand anything that either Nic Roeg or Donald Cammell made subsequently - not even 'Don't Look Now'. Weird. Still love that BAD video, however. peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:16:19 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] long-overdue swap CD review (Larry Tucker) RE: Garrison Starr: I really like SONGS FROM TAKEOFF TO LANDING, but be warned about her debut that unless you think the music world needed another Melissa Etheridge, you might find it a lot overproduced and a little disappointing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's an odds 'n' sods CD called 24-7 (reviewed by Mr. M at allmusic) that features one very neat trippy cover of the Beatles' Taxman that seems to have teleported in from another record. It's worth a buck or two if you see it in a bin, even if Garisson Starr sounds like a yucky thing. Right, that's the part I forgot to mention. This Living Hand is a very peculiar listening experience if you have seen or heard either Starr or Hubbard in their current incarnations. It's not that weird an album, really, but it's quite different than one's expectations might be. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that there are two This Living Hand albums. It's just that "The TV Sounds Worried" never came out. Promo copies skitter about the internet, though. And who dared say that The Hotel New Hampshire was a horrible movie!? It was a great movie. So there!! I very nearly walked out of "Career Opportunities", and regret that I didn't. The first Flintstones movie was also a close call. Other than that, never even been tempted. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:15:38 -0500 From: John Sharples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] exit pursued by bear Quoting Phil Gerrard : > I'm ashamed to say I've walked out of more theatre shows (three) > than movies (one). The one and only movie I bailed on was 'The > Man Who Fell to Earth', and to this day the good auteurist in me > can't figure out why, if 'Performance' is one of my favourite movies, I > couldn't stand anything that either Nic Roeg or Donald Cammell > made subsequently - not even 'Don't Look Now'. Weird. Have you seen WALKABOUT? One of my faves. And not just because Jenny Agutter is full frontal nude . You people are weird. I've walked out of dozens of films--"it's much easier on your constitution." You know if it stinks in the first reel, and you don't get that time back. If you're at a multiplex, you can usually slip into another screen. Motor away, my friends! JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:44:27 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Garrison Starr (was: long-overdue swap CD review) On 12/9/02 4:16 PM, Dana Paoli wrote: > RE: Garrison Starr: > There's an odds 'n' sods CD called 24-7 (reviewed by Mr. M at allmusic) as well as Mr. MZ at http://home.earthlink.net/~zwirnm/review64.htm#garrison - -------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn http://zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:58:47 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left > about 45 minutes through Jodie Foster's HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, > I had to leave. Hey, one of my favorite movies! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:44:16 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Exit Stage Left At Monday 12/9/2002 07:58 PM -0500, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > about 45 minutes through Jodie Foster's HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, > > I had to leave. > >Hey, one of my favorite movies! Mark this day down on your calendars - glenn, dana and I all agree on something that the rest of you probably don't (assuming dana was serious about liking HNH). I'm with Dave - I've never walked out on a movie (most tempted: BOLERO, the one with Bo Derek). I figure if I can't stand the movie, I'll just give in to my natural impulses and snooze out in the dark room for the duration. Oh, and BTW, Andy Richter Controls The Universe totally rules. If you want to see Paget Brewster (who plays Jessica) have sex with Rob Lowe (sort of), rent THE SPECIALS. That movie also has John Doe in it. It's kind of a low budget version of MYSTERY MEN without any fights or supervillains, just a lot of talking. Speaking of John Doe, I keep watching his Friday night series on Fox, but he never sings/plays any X songs. There's not much singing at all actually, though he does do some piano playing. Mostly there's a lot of omniscience and crime solving. It's odd. I'm done now. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:06:33 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] exit pursued by bear In a message dated 12/9/02 4:21:55 PM, jsharple@brooklaw.edu writes: << You know if it stinks in the first reel, and you don't get that time back. If you're at a multiplex, you can usually slip into another screen. >> THAT is brilliant. Never even occured to me. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #424 *******************************