From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #421 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, December 7 2002 Volume 02 : Number 421 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) [steve ] [loud-fans] Was: Interracial love songs - Clear Channel censorship [Rober] [loud-fans] Re: under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Yet another link [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] Yet another link [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:51:30 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 11:18 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > (Amazon is owned by Bertelsmann, I believe.) Not sure, but I don't think so. But Amazon has done all kinds of deals with other retailers, so the Preferred Buyers Club could be one of those. - - Steve __________ Pat Robertson's resignation this month as president of the Christian Coalition confirmed the ascendance of a new leader of the religious right in America: George W. Bush. - Dana Milbank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:26:13 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 09:51 AM, steve wrote: > On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 11:18 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > wrote: > >> (Amazon is owned by Bertelsmann, I believe.) > > Not sure, but I don't think so. But Amazon has done all kinds of > deals with other retailers, so the Preferred Buyers Club could be one > of those. I think one of the links higher up in the thread mentioned that CDNow is owned by Bertlesmann, and speculates that BMG is handing off CDNow operations to Amazon as a cost-cutting move in their internet division. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:19:48 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] New Liz Phair Andrea alerted me to this: http://suprnova.lunamorena.net/takealook.mp3 Pretty glossy, I think, but do listen and discuss. Jer Race to Save the Primates - every click provides food! http://www.care2.com/go/z/primates ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:28:55 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Was: Interracial love songs - Clear Channel censorship > And then Clear Channel management took it and sent > it out to all the > stations, not just the ones who'd participated in > > making it. None of the songs were banned, as far as > I can tell; to the extent that program > managers have any personal discretion at Clear > Channel anyway, they seem to have been asked to exercise it. >> what i'm wondering is: 'Was the Clear Channel list implemented?'_ that the list went out is a fact - did the individual managers use their personal discretion to simply ignore the list from their owners? is there an organization that keeps track of song/band rotation - can it be shown that rotation of the songs on the list have not been impacted? RT ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!"http://www.mnftiu.cc/ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:48:13 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) >> (Amazon is owned by Bertelsmann, I believe.) > > Not sure, but I don't think so. But Amazon has done all kinds of > deals with other retailers, so the Preferred Buyers Club could be one > of those. Bertlesmann owns CDNow.. Amazon isn't owned by anyone, but is partnering with everyone to be the Clear Channel of e-commerce. I believe the CDNow Preferred Buyer's Club is an online version of the BMG music club, but everything else that was CDNow is now Amazon. I'm definitely going to miss the CDNow search engine; it was a great tool for researching discographies and album credits. When you'd pull up an album in CDNow, you'd get the production/musician credits, the length of individual songs with their songwriter credits, and the exact release date of the album, not to mention all the soundclips. When you pull up an album at amazon, you mostly get a bunch of irrelevant marketing links like "Customers who wear clothes also shop for clean underwear at amazon's Target store". What about customers who *don't* wear clothes? - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:36:53 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Was: Interracial love songs - Clear Channel censorship Quoting Robert Toren : > what i'm wondering is: 'Was the Clear Channel list > implemented?'_ that the list went out is a fact - did > the individual managers use their personal discretion > to simply ignore the list from their owners? You can't really implement a suggestion - the point is, Clear Channel did not send out a list of songs that should not be played. A group of individual CC station managers communicated to one another a list of songs that they felt might be inappropriate after 9-11 - there was never any directive from on high to not play those songs. > is there an organization that keeps track of > song/band rotation - can it be shown that rotation of > the songs on the list have not been impacted? I suspect that some of them were less frequently played immediately after 9-11 - and I don't have a problem with that. That is, insofar as I don't have a problem with CC's centralized programming style (and I do), it doesn't seem any more egregious to not play songs that might upset people too dramatically and to no particular end. Upset people for a point, sure - but really, that's not some station manager's job. The fact that it isn't, the fact that DJs have no say over what they play - *that*'s the problem. And I think the distortion of the story - from a list that was not implemented from on high, to a claim that CC as an organization ordered its stations not to play these songs - arose from the fact that, ultimately, there's very little difference between the two, practically. If CC says to play a song, its stations pretty much have to. In such a culture, the existence of a list, no matter "suggestion only," no matter whether it didn't actually issue from any CC headquarters, would almost inevitably be read as "don't play." Because that's the way CC (and modern commercial radio generally) works: with a centralized command structure that would, uh, make Joe Stalin proud. I've gotta say, though, that even if commercial radio were entirely voluntary, not playing some of those songs immediately after 9-11 wouldn't have been a bad idea. I mean, I kinda got creeped out a couple months later putting on Soul Coughing's "Ruby Vroom," whose first track begins "a man flies a plane into the Chrysler Building." And as JRT suggests, playing "Another One Bites the Dust" immediately after a news story on snipers is...well, in dubious taste. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:37:52 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] followup to the spam thread One of the world's biggest spammers lives here in the Detroit area. A couple of weeks ago, the Detroit Free Press ran a story on him: http://tinyurl.com/2xm0 The story consisted of him gloating about his new $750,000 house, and talking about the spamming operation he ran from there. The reporter who wrote the story was devious enough to leave a few clues as to the spammer's new address, and, when the story showed up on Slashdot, several folks took it upon themselves to use those clues to figure out his address: http://tinyurl.com/3aql Now it seems the spammer has been signed up for every catalog, get-rich-quick scheme and free sample possible: http://tinyurl.com/3akf Today's gloating on Slashdot is here: http://tinyurl.com/3aqg Revenge is a dish best served scalding hot by a few thousand angry geeks. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:52:59 -0500 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Yet another link This one "about" misused quotation marks. http://www.juvalamu.com/qmarks/ Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:02:01 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yet another link Quoting Carolyn Dorsey : > This one "about" misused quotation marks. > > http://www.juvalamu.com/qmarks/ I think most of these come from people thinking quotation marks emphasize things. Apostrophes are, of course, another comedic punctuation mark in terms misuse. My favorite - which I simply cannot come up with any even remotely plausible reason for - is on a building about half a mile from here. It reads: Dog' Grooming ? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:22:15 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] whoa, dude... Someone was talking about the covers of Low's _Trust_ and Loverboy's _Get Lucky_ the other day. More fun: alternate viewing the cover of Low's _Trust_ with Spoon's _Kill the Moonlight_. Is this the year, btw, for recycling short album titles? We've had _Trust_, and two _Up_s (one with an exclamation mark). 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