From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #420 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, December 6 2002 Volume 02 : Number 420 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles [Chris Prew ] Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) [Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles Uh oh. Put me in this club too. When i play with my band, my ears don't even ring after we practice (what with our teeny tiny amps and all). Its seeing OTHER peoples shows that seems to be damaging. CP Who may be investigating earplugs soon. On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 08:23 PM, Dan Schmidt wrote: > John Sharples writes: > > | I still have that, but my hearing is degraded in other ways--in > | conversation I have trouble distinguishing what people are saying if > | there is other ambient noise, more than I used to. Does anyone know > | if this is a type of hearing damage? > > Yes, this is a classic symptom of hearing loss. I have it too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:19:52 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs speaking of censored lyrics_ right after 9/11 Clear Channel (?) put out a list of songs they recommended their stations avoid playing - including anything with a slightly antiwar slant, like 'Eve of Destruction'_ does anyone know if that list was acted on? are those songs no longer played? Rawbert ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!"http://www.mnftiu.cc/ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:56:31 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) I hadn't read anything about CDNow and Amazon being in talks to converge, but I guess they have: http://tinyurl.com/39a0 Though neither has been particularly agressive with discounts recently, I can only guess that the discounts will be even fewer and farther between now. -d.w. np: killer live version of China Crisis' "African & White", via Emusic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Robert Toren wrote: > right after 9/11 Clear Channel (?) put out a list of > songs they recommended their stations avoid playing - > including anything with a slightly antiwar slant, > like 'Eve of Destruction'_ > does anyone know if that list was acted on? are those > songs no longer played? As far as I can tell, here's what happened: Some CC station managers got together just after the attacks and started brainstorming songs to take out of rotation. A lot of these stations have heavily automated playlists, so it's not enough to say "Geez, our DJs aren't going to play 'You Dropped A Bomb On Me' right now"; someone has to go in and *remove* songs that might bug people. So this list got pretty long. Most of them were songs that would have an unintended meaning in the context of the twin towers falling, though one line reads "all Rage Against The Machine songs" probably more out of the sense that one shouldn't say anything political? Or that RATM are scary? No way to know. The thing reads like one of those interminable threads on the internet that starts with someone saying "does anyone know any songs about cars? I'm making a mix tape for my friend..." and never ends because new people keep showing up and saying "has anyone mentioned Tracy Chapman yet?" And then Clear Channel management took it and sent it out to all the stations, not just the ones who'd participated in making it. None of the songs were banned, as far as I can tell; to the extent that program managers have any personal discretion at Clear Channel anyway, they seem to have been asked to exercise it. You can read the list at http://www.pastemob.org/zeller/clearchannelsongs.html Maybe there was some secret anti-anti-war list too, but this is the one that got distributed all to hell and back with taglines like "CENSORSHIP ON THE RADIO" and so on... a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:06:58 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs In a message dated 12/5/02 9:00:42 AM, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: << And then Clear Channel management took it and sent it out to all the stations, not just the ones who'd participated in making it. None of the songs were banned, as far as I can tell; to the extent that program managers have any personal discretion at Clear Channel anyway, they seem to have been asked to exercise it. >> Thanks for correcting a popular fiction manufactured by idiot alarmists looking to feel persecuted in the wake of 9/11. I'd like to add, though, that the wisdom of Clear Channel was affirmed earlier this year when a Charlotte, North Carolina radio station followed a news report on a D.C. sniper shooting with a pre-programmed airing of Queenbs bAnother One Bites The Dust.b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:16:57 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs > wisdom of Clear Channel Hee! benevolence of Pol Pot swiftness of glaciers tasefulness of Springer ad infinitum. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:38:50 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs In a message dated 12/5/02 9:17:35 AM, dwalker@freeke.org writes, in comparison to the "wisdom of Clear Channel": << benevolence of Pol Pot swiftness of glaciers tasefulness of Springer >> Don't follow the stock market much, huh? But it's always nice to hear people goof on the Khmer Rouge. George McGovern still seems to think that Pol Pot was a swell guy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:43:41 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs >George McGovern still seems to think that Pol Pot >was a swell guy. Ya hear that, George? Don't complain to me that "nobody's listening" ever again! b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:48:38 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:56:31 -0500, Dave Walker wrote: >I hadn't read anything about CDNow and Amazon being in talks to >converge, but I guess they have: > > http://tinyurl.com/39a0 > >Though neither has been particularly agressive with discounts recently, >I can only guess that the discounts will be even fewer and farther >between now. I haven't really had the sense that they were competing much. I think they still need to deal with the "buy/don't buy" choice more than they ever dealt with the "buy from CDNow/buy from Amazon" choice. I'm a little miffed that they didn't warn us, however. I guess my CDNow wish list is gone forever. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:31:20 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles while rome burns At 01:37 PM 12/4/2002 -0500, Stewart Mason wrote: >It's also important to note that the sample was absurdly heavy on the >trainwrecks. I don't know why the folks at TLC think that's what the >viewers want to see, but they went out of their way to show the episodes >with bad outcomes, which are much fewer on CHANGING ROOMS. There were quite a few that the owners didn't like, but of 14-16 pairs of remakes, there were only two that Melissa and I hated -- Oliver's bed-o'-near-nails and Laurence's bedroom-o'-nudes. The couple of things Laura did in these episodes had enough redeeming qualities that we wouldn't call them outright failures. And a lot of the ones that owners hated most were the ones we that we liked best (ex: Laurence's zebra-striped and Australian rooms). >And really, I just think it's a better show because Carole Smillie is a >better host than Paige Davis roughly to the extent that Johnny Carson was >better than Chevy Chase. I might think this too if I could understand half the words Carole says, especially when she and Andy get to rapid-fire chatting. It's a reminder that Great Britain really is a foreign country, like when I went into a record shop in Edinburgh and realized that the denizens weren't speaking Gaelic or anything, but they might as well have been for all I could make of their conversations. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:50:18 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles while rome burns At 12:31 PM 12/5/2002 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >There were quite a few that the owners didn't like, but of 14-16 pairs of >remakes, there were only two that Melissa and I hated -- Oliver's >bed-o'-near-nails and Laurence's bedroom-o'-nudes. The couple of things >Laura did in these episodes had enough redeeming qualities that we wouldn't >call them outright failures. Didn't they show Laura's infamous "absolute crap" room? That has to be the most ill-conceived, inconsistent with the rest of the house, arrogant room I have ever seen in one of these shows, even more so than that TRADING SPACES where Hildi painted the giant mural of herself looking like Marlo Thomas as depicted by the Reverend Howard Finster. > >And really, I just think it's a better show because Carole Smillie is a > >better host than Paige Davis roughly to the extent that Johnny Carson was > >better than Chevy Chase. > >I might think this too if I could understand half the words Carole says, >especially when she and Andy get to rapid-fire chatting. It's a reminder >that Great Britain really is a foreign country, like when I went into a >record shop in Edinburgh and realized that the denizens weren't speaking >Gaelic or anything, but they might as well have been for all I could make >of their conversations. I've never had any trouble with the accents on CHANGING ROOMS...although if you ever get to see its sister show GROUND FORCE, you will be completely dumbfounded whenever Will the carpenter opens his mouth. I swear he's just making noises with his lips, those can't be actual words. But the thing is, Paige seems to think that it's her job to be all cute'n'kooky, whereas Carole actually tucks in and does actual work. The woman sews like a demon. Word is that she's leaving the show after the current season, to be replaced as host by Laurence. While I'm sure that Laurence is going to do a great job as host, I really am going to miss his designs. Pretty sure this topic must be close to exhausted, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:56:12 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) The worst thing about this seems to be that CDNow had a lot more sound clips than Amazon does. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:54:15 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs > speaking of censored lyrics_ > right after 9/11 Clear Channel (?) put out a list of >songs they recommended their stations avoid playing - >including anything with a slightly antiwar slant, >like 'Eve of Destruction'_ > does anyone know if that list was acted on? are those >songs no longer played? Strictly speaking, Clear Channel didn't issue a list at all: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/radio.htm And by the way, that's "laughin' and a'runnin' yea yea/Behind the stadium..." And C.G. Jung, too... Andy "...Paul Beahm's gang went right ahead and did what all great fantasy bands do anyway--not practice, not play, and not, under any circumstances, write or record any actual music." - --Chris Ashford, a friend of Paul Beahm, aka Darby Crash, as quoted in LEXICON DEVIL: THE FAST TIMES AND SHORT LIFE OF DARBY CRASH AND THE GERMS, by Brendan Mullen with Don Bolles and Adam Parfrey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:40:26 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) > >I hadn't read anything about CDNow and Amazon being in talks to > >converge, but I guess they have: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/39a0 > > > >Though neither has been particularly agressive with discounts recently, > >I can only guess that the discounts will be even fewer and farther > >between now. > >I haven't really had the sense that they were competing much. I think >they still need to deal with the "buy/don't buy" choice more than they >ever dealt with the "buy from CDNow/buy from Amazon" choice. > >I'm a little miffed that they didn't warn us, however. I guess my CDNow >wish list is gone forever. I got referred to this URL today: http://www.cdnowpbc.com/ which appears to be their new discount scheme. They'd sent an e-mail a week or two ago announcing "exciting new changes" or something like that, anyway. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:58:13 -0500 From: John Sharples Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs Hey kids! Just a reminder to please include the address of the party you are responding to, because many of us maintain filters. Thanks! xo, JS Quoting Bill Silvers : > >George McGovern still seems to think that Pol Pot > >was a swell guy. > > Ya hear that, George? Don't complain to me that "nobody's listening" ever > again! > > b.s. > - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:15:56 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs As long as the Clear Channel thing is being debunked, it's worth noting (though it's still not settled): Radio News You Can't Use Did the RIAA actually lose one? On November 14th, Congress passed a new law called the "Small Webcasters Settlement Act" which encourages the RIAA and its enforcement arm to negotiate new royalty rates for small commercial webcasters by December 15th, and new rates for non-commercial webcasters by May 31, 2003. The exorbitant (CARP) rates will still stand for the largest webcasters. WFMU's Ken Freedman will be part of the group negotiating new rates for college and community broadcasters. It'll be interesting to see how that one ends up. Also, today (a beautiful snow day, at last) seemed like the perfect time to finally buy the vintage Duncan Browne album "Give Me Take You" and, in fact, it was. Great hot chocolate sipping music!! I almost sprung for the Devendra Banhart album, but I'm wary of Young God and 4-track stuff these days. Anyone? And I'm still really digging the new Warlocks album. Kind of like the Brian Jonestown Massacre with a little less attitudinal silliness and a little more Spacemen 3. There's also some Dandy Warhols there (kind of inevitably) but not the smart-alec side of the band. By the way, who knew that there really was a Smart Alec? - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:28:31 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs At 06:15 PM 12/5/2002 -0500, Dana Paoli wrote: >Also, today (a beautiful snow day, at last) seemed like the perfect time >to finally buy the vintage Duncan Browne album "Give Me Take You" and, in >fact, it was. Great hot chocolate sipping music!! I almost sprung for >the Devendra Banhart album, but I'm wary of Young God and 4-track stuff >these days. Anyone? This was my review in the current issue of Amplifier: Devendra Banhart Oh Me Oh My Young God (www.younggodrecords.com) Every so often you find, in collector guides or rare record sale lists, these ridiculously expensive late '60s/early '70s albums that have some notation like "private pressing of 50 copies, cracked acid folk, really out there, $350." Devendra Banhart seems to have listened to an awful lot of these albums, or else he's unknowingly channeling the spirit of Ed Askew, Jandek and Bobb Trimble. These 22 brief songs (most under two minutes) feature only Banhart's double-tracked vocals and guitar, musing aloud in a delicate, oddly fey whisper, like Truman Capote in Nick Drake's body. The lyrics and melodies are as odd but intriguing as his voice (song titles include "Thumbs Touch Too Much" and "Lend Me Your Teeth"), with even stranger interludes like the gospel-tinged handclaps of "Make It Easier On Me" breaking up a set of songs that's quite pleasant but unfortunately kind of samey. The thing is, I don't get the impression that Banhart is trying to be weird, something that never works. There's nothing forced or freaky-for-freaky's-sake about Oh Me Oh My, just the guileless intensity of an idiosyncratic singer/songwriter who's doing exactly what he wants to. So basically, if you like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing you'll like. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:04:05 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs In a message dated 12/5/02 3:17:49 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << Did the RIAA actually lose one? On November 14th, Congress passed a new law called the "Small Webcasters Settlement Act" which encourages the RIAA and its enforcement arm to negotiate new royalty rates for small commercial webcasters by December 15th....>> Leave it to a Red Diaper Baby like Dana to avoid mentioning the hero of that day, who just happened to be a gentleman we still like to call Senator Jesse Helms. And while I can only get excited about two of the songs on Duncan Browne's debut, the new Sparks is truly as amazing as anybody here is hearing out of the UK. If you don't have a copy yet, it's possibly because your dealer is holding out for a promised jewel-box edition that still doesn't look set to be released. Let him know that you're rich from your Clear Channel investments, and can easily afford the bound-book edition. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:52:04 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] noise I like I'm working through my post-Columbus haul of new CDs - for various reasons (largely including my fiendish pawing through the stacks of Used Kids - sanity kicked in at about 20 CDs) I have about 50 CDs sitting here to dig through - just in time for finally finishing all my students' damned papers! Anyway, why didn't anyone tell me back in '98 that that 12 Rods' CD _Split Personalities_ was so good? It's like XTC and Idlewild after having hung out and listened to My Bloody Valentine and Sonic Youth records all day. (Speaking of MBV, the Olcott boys' names seem familiar: weren't they on the MBV mailing list back in the day - oh, '94, '95 or so? I'm pretty sure *some* of you were there too...) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot np: I already told you - what're ya lookin' here for? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:18:58 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) Quoting Bill Silvers : > I got referred to this URL today: > > http://www.cdnowpbc.com/ > > which appears to be their new discount scheme. They'd sent an e-mail a week > or two ago announcing "exciting new changes" or something like that, anyway. Consumer advisory: the "Preferred Buyers Club" is, essentially, the BMG Music Club online. If you're anti- CD club copies of CDs, don't order those titles: that's what you get (as I found out after ordering one - they tell you that nowhere on the site). (Amazon is owned by Bertelsmann, I believe.) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Californians invented the concept of the life-style. :: This alone warrants their doom. :: --Don DeLillo, _White Noise_ np: Kevin Tihista's Red Terror _Don't Breathe a Word_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:45:45 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] under a rock? (Amazon/CDNow) I was really disappointed to see CDNow get absorbed (or whatever) by Amazon. CDNow was the first online retailer I regularly used. I agree with all the comments here about the CDNow listings and search engine. Plus, I've been having an astoundingly bad time with Amazon's customer service lately - they owe me money/credit and are taking their own sweet time giving it to me and I've had to fight for every cent. CDNow's service wasn't the best (especially the last year or so), but their prices weren't too bad and they didn't mess up too badly. Guess I'll start looking seriously at Insound again. They sure do send me a lot of e-mail though. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #420 *******************************